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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    No.
     
  2. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    Jade.
    The First only created hell accidentally.
    No, I think those are alright.
    Sort of.
    Political.
    Pass.
    Where the First fell, the place outside of Creation.
    No.
    It's the same thing.
     
  3. Darko

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    Okay, but were those other Hell's also accidentally created by the First?

    Or were they just made by a local deity to punish the sinners of that world, and the afterlife is generically called a Hell Dimension without having a connection to the First in any way?

    Well they'll most likely find it more difficult to survive there than the First did.

    Would anyone who isn't a demon, like say a non demonic magical entity or even a mortal, be sent there if they were shot by it?
     
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  4. ChiChi

    ChiChi I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Our US I believe so but laws change with circumstances and this is set in a world with super villains and other such hazards so it's not unbelievable that things could be different in that world ... also just because something is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen or even that it doesn't keep happening if no one cares enough to prosecute it
     
  5. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Let's... Say... They were also a protect product of the First's fall.
     
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  6. Darko

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    'protect' feels like it may be a wrong word here.

    So they were also accidental creations of the First, but he doesn't rule them, and they may not be as powerful as the Abrahamic Hell and have fewer demons?
     
  7. ChiChi

    ChiChi I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    it's also a reference to a web comic though I don't recall the name of it off hand
     
  8. Gilhelmi

    Gilhelmi Know what you're doing yet?

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    Mr. Zoat, you should look up Justice League Action. It is a nice corny popcorn comedy series. Youtube has many clips (on DC Kids channel)

    Each "episode" is 2-3 shorts and has 3 seasons (I think). Here is an example of Superman and Batman doing a great routine.

     
  9. Tzeentch

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    Given Jason in Batman: The Adventures Continue definitely has some issues, I could certainly see Peter being kidnapped, and The Red Hood finding out he's genuinely a good guy, and how VERY protective and possessive so many former supervillains are of their favorite meal ticket employer.
     
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    Earth 12
    10th February 2005
    13:14 GMT


    Oh my.

    Oooooh my.

    Lantern Stewart leads the way through the corridors of the Watchtower, past the staring gazes of the various.. superheroes I can… Mostly recognise. Red Tornado, yes, Elongated Man, yes, and… Bwana Beast? Others… Don’t ring immediate bells, though with the more conservatively dressed ones I'm not completely sure that they're not part of the crew.

    The whole thing's a bit out there, and-

    "Hey, Mister Wynne!" / "Hey, Peter."

    I wave back. "Hi guys."

    -Courtney and Patrick are the only people here I actually know.

    "So… A space station with artificial gravity. Human technology, or did you import it?"

    "Wayne Technologies reverse engineered it from crashed Thanagarian ships after the occupation."

    Perfectly plausible. While I employ a large number of Thanagarians, plenty work in other places and my employees are mostly ex-soldiers rather than technology specialists. And there's nothing stopping a company with the right connections mastering Thanagarian technology with human scientists. I know perfectly well the sorts of things that human technologists can do when they set their minds to it.

    "I see." I look around and… That's Crimson Avenger. I've tried to get my head around this… Whole thing. I know my DC, and Crimson Avenger was chronologically one of the earliest superheroes. If that holds true here then he should be about eighty by now, if not older. And yet he's a contemporary of someone like Bwana Beast rather than the far older Wildcat. "So is Batman planning to give me the ring he stole from me back at any point, or do I have to sue you people in open court?"

    John Stewart doesn't turn around.

    "I don't know what you're talking about."

    "Do you really think I don't know the difference between a glowing piece of plastic and an actual power ring? I was willing to chalk it up to a temporary attack of Bat-paranoia, but since it hasn't reappeared in my safe yet I thought I'd use the opportunity this represents to raise the issue directly."

    "You'll have to talk to Batman."

    "Or I could talk to the Sector's senior Green Lantern, who he almost certainly asked about it. Lantern Stewart, that's theft. The Justice League does not have the authority to confiscate private property on its own recognisance."

    This time he does stop, and glances at me. He looks slightly uncomfortable, but I suspect that's more due to being discovered than actual guilt.

    "That depends where you got it from."

    "Lantern Stewart, I employ a great many lawyers. I've checked in every jurisdiction in which I do business. And I can tell you now: it does not. I could have stolen it from Ganthet's laboratory and it wouldn't make the slightest difference to the legal position. Earth does not have extradition treaties with other planets. If you think I stole it from someone on Earth you can apply for a confiscation order and have me arrested. What you can not do is steal from me."

    He looks mulish, which I suppose is a job requirement for a Green Lantern. Or maybe it's not? I'm not sure whether the local version of the Corps works on pre-War of Light principles or post-War of Light principles.

    "Do you want me to serve him papers in his public identity? Because I'm not playing around here; you will be returning it to me, or that's what will happen."

    "We don't take kindly to threats."

    "And I don't take kindly to theft."

    We spend a few moments staring each other down, but dealing with recovering supervillains on a daily basis has caused me to grow a considerably stiffer spine than I had when I first arrived on this Earth. While I don't think I could win a staring match against someone with an environmental shield under neutral circumstances, he knows that he's in the wrong and that if it came to it I'd probably win.

    He looks away.

    "We don't have it anymore. It's on Oa."

    "Do you routinely trade in stolen property, or am I uniquely privileged?"

    "We wanted to make sure you weren't dealing with Qward. Since they're the only other people who can make power rings, it seemed like a reasonable guess."

    I frown.

    "All the maltusian factions have the ability to make power rings. You've met Star Sapphire. It's not like the Guardians are the only ones who can do it."

    His eyes glow for a moment.

    "So you're saying you got it from someone the same species as the Guardians."

    "No, I'm saying that if you can't produce the ring, plan legal action is a go."

    "I'll-. Ask them."

    "They've got until my legal department complete the forms." I look around as Booster Gold and Blue Beetle try to pretend that they're not listening in on our discussion. "Though I'm willing to extend considerable leeway if I get an orange personal lantern out of it."

    "That isn't gonna happen."

    "I can't sue the Guardians, but I can sue their agents. I haven't expanded my operations off-world yet-."

    "Just-. Come and meet the rest of the founders. We can talk about this together."

    I nod and shrug, and he continues to lead the way through the Watchtower, towards some sort of meeting room.

    "Yes, in a meeting where I'm outnumbered seven to one. That sounds completely reasonable."

    "If you're this angry about it, why-" The door opens and he leads the way through. "-did you agree to come here?"

    I raise my right hand to greet the rest of the founders.

    "Because I thought it was just Batman being sticky-fingered." I glare at him. "And yes I did realise that you stole the ring from my safe, Mister Wayne. You'll be hearing from my lawyers. And imagine how disappointed I am to learn that you are all in on it. Is your new motto 'Truth, Burglary, and the American Way', Mister Kent?"

    He exhales. "Batman.. told us about that after he did it."

    "And did you tell him to give it back? Or did you rubber-stamp him sending it to Oa, the last place I'd want it sent? Handling stolen goods. Is a crime."

    "So… Okay." Flash raises his hands defensively. "I think we got off on the wrong foot. Ah. Yeah, the ring thing… Probably didn't make the best impression, but we just got our asses kicked by a parallel universe version-"

    Batman, Hawkgirl and Wonder Woman are glaring at him.

    "-of you, and we were worried you might be planning something."

    "I'm planning a court action, yes."

    Okay, I think I've made my point there. The ring will either come back or it won't.

    "I've never met a parallel universe version of myself, so I can't vouch for them. But there are counters to any approach; some better known than others. If you fought a version of me and lost then he probably had more resources to draw on than I do; I'm pretty sure that even if I had the ring back I couldn't beat you. So I can't help you there."

    I shrug.

    "What else did you want to talk about?"

    Batman leans forward slightly.

    "I'm interested in getting your take on League operations. You've clearly given the matter some thought."

    "My first thought is that breaking the law in front of someone who knows your secret identity is a good way to bring the whole thing crashing down. Governments do not like losing the monopoly on the legitimate use of force, but they tolerate you because you're popular and generally do a good job. Lose one of those and you'll see anti-vigilante laws getting enforced again." I shake my head. "What sort of guns does this station have?"

    Manhunter's face betrays nothing. "That is highly secure information."

    "Because I've looked at the publicity images, and I couldn't see any gun ports. With lasers and railguns you could cover something like… Sixteen percent of the Earth's surface with flak batteries to intercept missiles and attack craft. You'd need more platforms to complete the network, but I doubt that Earth's governments would complain about guns that couldn't target the surface. If you want any other advice, I'll need access to your databases."

    "And the God damned ring back."
     
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  11. Mr Zoat

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    Oh, I'm aware of Justice League Action. I just don't think much of it.
     
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    Whoa. I am really liking this Peter Wynne. I want to see him proceed with the sue the Justice League plan and succeed.
     
  13. DeathlessProficiency

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    YEAH you little BITCHES. Mess with the bull - YOU GET THE HORNS
     
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    I guess this OL beat the 'This Ring' compulsion?

    edit: Imagine the JL being afraid of the law lol. What does Peter Wynne think the law is gonna do, burn one of their super special black ops teams to tell them they were naughty because they stole a super weapon from a private citizen? Even if they did there is no way he would get it back, right?
     
  15. Tzeentch

    Tzeentch I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I'm actually looking forward to seeing the League realizing that Peter is actually very, VERY serious about taking legal action against The League.

    So far, it seems like they're just brushing it off.
     
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  16. Gromweld

    Gromweld Learning By Mistake

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    <<PETER WYNNE OF EARTH. YOU HAVE GREAT RAGE IN YOUR HEART. YOU BELONG TO THE RED LANTERN CORPS.>>

    "That's not what I meant, and you know it!"
     
  17. moralrelativity

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    Yeah, me too!!
     
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    expended -> extended (I think, could go either way)
     
  19. Cuchulin

    Cuchulin Versed in the lewd.

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    Take most of Bruce Wayne's money and property, make their identities VERY public, shut down the Daily Planet and go after Clark's coworkers, go after Clark's parents and their farm... There are lots of less than direct ways to ruin some one.
     
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    maybe add 'of the same species'

    Does this version lack that compulsion to say 'the ring', or 'this ring' instead of 'my ring' like the others have?
     
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  21. Tzeentch

    Tzeentch I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I wonder if Peter Wynne suing the Justice League might become the reason that the League in the future becomes diminished to far fewer members, as seen in Batman Beyond.

    SUPERMAN: Honestly, we didn't think he was actually going to press charges against us. So when each of us recieved a subpoena, you can't imagine how SHOCKED we were-

    OLD BRUCE: The rest is history, let's just leave it at that.

    TERRY: Huh, "Peter Wynne Wins Again." Now I know where that saying comes from.
     
  22. Z3r0Sama

    Z3r0Sama Not too sore, are you?

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    Beautiful. I think every non-batwanker has felt this way when Brucie does this shit and never gets called out on it. Looking at you Tower of Babel.
     
  23. Darko

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    Maybe Peter can hire Alan Shore, if he exists in this universe.

    The mans gone up against some powerful people and won.

    And it would be hilarious to see Denny Crane in this fic.
     
  24. Queshire

    Queshire Not too sore, are you?

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    Meh. I'm not impressed.
     
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    Hmm, Peter hasn’t had the ring for years, yet throughout this conversation his words have stayed white. No Green, no Red, no Orange?
    Weird.
     
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  26. Darko

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    Technically if his words were in white then he would be feeling all the other emotions at once.

    He may lack orange and red because he's either not all that angry, but still angry, or because he may not want the ring back because he sees it as dangerous.

    Yeah he's yelling at them to give it back, but people can be upset over things they may not really care about.

    It's a weird aspect of human nature.

    As for why he's not green now, that could be because he's not using that much willpower, even when he had that staring contest with the Stewart, because he didn't need to.
     
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    And now this makes me want a fanfic with a similar premise, with the JL getting punches for similar things. A villain that does everything 100% legally and goes after JL in an 100% legal way.
     
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    Viterbi Not too sore, are you?

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    I feel like they're busy realizing that there's a reason that Peter Wynne's alt-self kicked their asses 1v7.
     
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    He didn't outright beat the compulsion, so much as he had no way to recharge the ring (and no Alan to purchase a spare lantern from) so he stored it for emergencies. The main times he's used it that are known are mining out some choice asteroids/moons for startup and emergency funds, and when the Thanagarian invasion happened. Without being a naturally over-avaricious person, and not actually wearing it, no mental effects other than acknowledging that said compulsion exists.
     
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    That may not work all that well as you may like to think.

    A lot of the people the League fights tend to be either psychopaths, world conquerors, serial killers and just general lunatics.

    It's not exactly easy to feel sympathy for them because the League beat them up with no warrant, when they engage in evil shit for shits and giggles.

    Peter hasn't done anything wrong to them or the world, so he may have a higher chance of winning if he sues.

    The rest would be lucky if the judge just doesn't laugh and throw the case in the garbage.

    Granted people in comic universes decided to give Norman Osborn a great deal of power, even if he spent years being a psychotic criminal, so people feeling sympathy for maniacs and actually helping them become stronger in their power isn't exactly a new concept.

    Hell DC comics did it when they had the Joker sue Batman and the thing was actually taken seriously.

    Seriously is the thing that makes civilians in Marvel idiots somehow infecting the DC universe now?
     
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