With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Your weekly reminder that Paragon is functionally insane.

 

That reminds me: whatever happened to Dox's desire to have Paul recruit some time travel specialists for them?

 

I don't remember him saying that.

Doesn't mean he didn't say it, just that I haven't thought about it.

 

Aside from your distaste for everything Paul, what about this says “I’m not a rational entity.”?

 

No, this is the internet everyone must like what I do or it's unacceptable. /s

???Pie crust is pastry???

 

Got a link?

 

https://www.deviantart.com/firewithinmidnight/art/Secret-Altar-671622087

https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr....311139/page-1553?post=18969377#post-18969377

https://www.deviantart.com/firewithinmidnight/art/Unfortunate-Partner-System-671623228

Theres a couple.

 

This is what I wanted so many years ago, the premise was hilarious and extremely interesting, with Paul having to deal with a semi sane super powered Stalker obsessed with him, bonus points if she either ended up with one of the rings Paul called when Truggs stole his ring or recruited by a Controller trying to get a human to a similar level to Paul... Yet Sadly Dana got exiled to the future to never be seen again and all that possible drama got lost... Even worse Jade ended up in a relationship with Paul (they have no chemistry nor compatibility and the plot is lesser when she is around).

Now when Dana is finally back, she is getting exiled to the future again and we are once again left in a world we're Jade is the main love interests... She is a street level character, background at the absolute most when it comes to the scales lanterns deal with, she adds nothing to the fic plot wise and the fic is lesser for it.

 

She is twenty years younger that him more or less. Also she is not Princess Luna.

 

And that is exactly the issue, it has no effect on the fic because the relationship is plot irrelevant and it would be extremely contrived to make it plot relevant. Consider how plot relevant a relationship with Kara could be, or with Dana if she kept a little bit of her CrAzy desires to be a hero?

Not only are their particular circumstances interesting by themselves, their personalities as a survivor of a dying race and a maladapted lady with mental issues that wants to be a hero for the right/wrong reasons also help significantly when it comes to spinning plots, also their power sets and equipment means they are also in a similar scale to Paul, same with Love Enhanced Zatanna.

If Paul were in a relationship with another mundane irrelevant person like non crazy Quinzel I would be saying the same thing, the only thing Jade added to the plot was Drama with Artemis and the rest of the team and even that is absolutely no longer relevant because Paul no longer interacts with the team in a meaningful manner, so the ONE thing the relationship with Jade added to the fic is absolutely no longer a factor.

 

Jade's not bad. She isn't blowing up a country so there's only up to go.

 

While true, it would be pretty out of character at this point for Kara or Zatanna to actually enjoy a relationship with Paragon.

In fact... I think Paragon would be pretty much limited to Aliens, Gold diggers, and Psychologically damaged people for long term relationships at this point.

 

Again, why do you think this, aside from your distaste for all things Paul?

 

Because it's clear as day that the relationship with Jade is a plot negative for the fic?

It would be relevant if Paul was still in the team and he was still a rookie Lantern dealing with mildly powered people, but that ship left port ages ago and the relationship with Jade adds nothing to the fic, even more so now that Paul pretty much doesn't interact with Artemis as much.

Also I wouldn't say I hate the Paragon, I am just vocal when things rub me the wrong way.

 

Understandable reasons if disagreed with, but that was for Vaermina.

 

Not gonna lie. Want him to end up there, gain unequivocal evidence of what they would do if he hadn't pushed so hard and video evidence of zatanna having one day a year meeting with her father and say see you idiots would have left them to suffer!
By Nabu Snap he means when he snapped at them right?

On the other hand their Persuader now gets 2 Atomic Axes!

Please tell me she looks herself up.

 

I do have to say that the unaltered Earth 16 didnt have an invasion of angels, or a city get blown up by demons.

It does seem like Nabu prevented the buildup of arcane threats, and his absence was a major loss to the defense of Earth.

I think that is certainly worth a girl not seeing her dad all that often. It means a lot of girls still get to see their living fathers.

Plus its not like they were unaware. They put on Nabu's helmet wilingly. He didnt force or coerce them. Well not Zatanna at least. And the fact that Zatara wanted it off her doesnt change she did it willingly.

 

Nah it was just bad writing for stakes. And drama.

 

Pheh. We can either bring nabu back or raise a lord of order in his place.

Order/Chaos Lord Constantine. Whatever happened to him?

 

About the whole Jade plot relevancy thing, I feel that there is still plenty of room for her in the future plot. For quite some time, the story has been heading in the direction of the OLC vs the Reach. This is the big event that the story will be revolving around from here on out, regardless of the smaller arcs that appear along the way. When you look at the characters who could fit into this sort of story, you come up with very few good answers, especially so when you consider Paul's group of potential romance interests.

I won't say anything about Dana, because I hardly remember or know anything about her except for the time travel and magic coin stuff, but for both Kara and Zatanna, neither of them would be able to fit into the central Reach storyline in the same way that Jade can. Neither of them are soldiers, nor do they have any interests in being soldiers, so it would take quite a bit of twisting to get them into that part of the story for any character relevant reason outside of helping Paul, who would simply be their boyfriend in this hypothetical plot line. And while both of them are capable of greater feats than Jade, in a war of the scale that is occurring in this story, it ultimately wouldn't matter.

On the other hand, Jade fits into the central plot perfectly. She is a character who defines herself off of her tactical and combat abilities, and I couldn't imagine a better place for her to hone them than an interstellar war, one that is primarily defined off of tactics and technological prowess. The only problems are that she has few other obvious plot hooks to her story, unlike Kara and Zatanna, who could have various other side plots involving hero and villain conflict, magic, and kryptonians. Additionally, the main plot that Jade has attached herself to has yet to have time to develop, so we simply haven't reached a point where she can begin to become more plot relevant.

The choice to have Paul's romantic interest gain her plot relevance from her attachment to the central plot, rather than from the potential of her side stories, is, at the very least, not an objectively bad choice on Mr. Zoat's part.

Speaking more on Paul's romantic tendencies, I feel that it is in Paul's nature to want to ensure that his romantic interest is as fulfilled as possible. He tried it with Kon when he made the flying armor, (although he was a bit crazy back then), Mandated Paul did it with his Jade, and regular Paul is currently trying it with Jade, although he's going for a more hands off approach, as that is what Jade seems to need. If he were romantically involved with Kara, he would definitely go down the route of trying to bring back Krypton. There's a bunch of different methods he could go down towards achieving that goal, and they would all be convoluted and wonderful. I'll admit it would make for a great side plot, as would any magical misadventures Paul would get up to with Zatanna were they romantically involved, but it would have next to nothing to do with the main plot. Which some might see as a benefit.

 

First of all, we're talking about Paragon, not Paul.

And aside from the already mentioned reasons... Paragon's basically just an Orange Light powered robot at this point... He doesn't think like a human, he doesn't act like a human, he doesn't have the normal emotional range of a human.

Now add to that the multiple Genocides and mass killings, the fact that he has a an extreme and vocal disdain for organized religion, and the fact that he is almost never around...

And well... The pool of human woman who he could form a long term relationship with becomes extremely limited...

 

In the style of thinking that Paul would most likely subscribe to, pinning the defence of the Earth onto a single antisocial lich is not a good strategy. Even if the Earth has to undergo some "growing pains" while it develops a more thorough arcane defense, in the end, the results would be better for it. Of course, the Nabu situation could have been handled much better. From a perspective of logic and benefits, Paul's actions were a mistake. But Paul doesn't truly care about any of that. He lives life according to his desires, and it just so happens that, on most occasions, Paul wants the path that leads to the greatest benefits for all. Just not when it comes to Nabu.

 

Sure helping with that crush there, OL.

 

Uhhhhh.... there at the end, is that just the Font, or is that WHITE emotion?

 

'strength'

True, very true.

Or both.

 

If you're talking about depression, then it should be black, not white.

Also it doesn't look like the usual black colored speech, so I guess it's the font.

 

You are literally the last person who should be giving that Kara hugs given the psychological circumstances...

 

How many times has someone told Paul that he needs to look into John Constantine? I feel like when whatever he's caught up in affects the whole world, someone will tell Paul I told you so. Also, since they've now been mentioned in the story, is there any chance of Paul working with the Trenchcoat Brigade?

This is great! Paul helps out his friend and possibly makes her conflicted emotions about him even worse. She really needs to become friends with Zatanna now. Also, since helping his friends is his whole thing, what's Paul going to do about her desire to leave Earth? Find ways to have her like Earth more, or do something for her that makes it feel a little more like Krypton?

 

Called it.

Just the font:

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[QUOTE="Mr Zoat, post: 4975196, member: 12669"]"[B]M'kay[/B]."[/QUOTE]