With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Well, doesn't Atlantis hate Poseidon?

Otherwise not sure what other God he could be serving.

Batman purpose is outright stated to scare criminals away from crime... And it didn't really work.

Gotham crime got WORSE, sure he got rid of almost all the Mafia, but it got replaced by crazies like the Joker, Scarecrow, Two Face, the Riddler and so on.

 

Sure inspired the heck out of 'em, didn't he?

 

Not sure why they'd do that since their capital is named after him.

I don't think Arion is really into serving gods.

 

I'm not sure but I think that comment might be a reference to Aquaman's feud with Poseidon and his son Triton in the comics.

Aquaman ended up killing Triton (after he attacked Atlantis and mass murdered who knows how many Atlanteans), and Poseidon and Aquaman truly loathe each other.

When Triton killed Poseidon Aquaman went to Hades and convinced him to resurrect Poseidon playing off of that fact. "If you resurrect Poseidon because I asked, Poseidon will know for the rest of eternity that he owes his life to someone he truly hates and who hates him."

Hades "Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter."

So apparently Hades thinks Poseidon is an annoying asshole too.

Dolphin and Garth were not impressed with this plan. "You let Triton murder you on the off chance that some ancient surface myth was actually true? What the ever loving @#$#$, Arthur!"

 

That's at least debatable, no? He got rid of the most organized crime, the Mafia (Maggia is Marvel, by the way) and corruption. The Police isn't in the criminals' payroll anymore and, besides Arkham, if you go to prison in Blackgate you pay your sentence (unless you get transferred to Belle Reve or for some reason an author needs to pull a criminal out).

There is still petty crime enough to make someone in Metropolis not want to visit, I suppose, and the particular crazy in the city is extreme. But I don't know if I would call that worse.

The main reason Gotham doesn't get better is because of status quo and the most greased revolving door in existance, which is Arkham. Or at least that's how I see it.

 

What does the Light think that "The Screen" provides to the group? Grayven takes credit for all of Lex's assets plus any political influence in the US, Africa and China.

 

Thanks to the crazies, there is more deaths and there is all the times supervillains hurt the city in ways that before just didn't happen.

The Mafia was a cancer to the city, that's true, but it keep the costumed crazies away. Even if a Joker like criminal had tried things before Batman, the Mafia would just have got him killed.

 

Didn't Joker specifically target the mob/mafia at times just because?

 

That was AFTER Batman had mostly destroyed them. By then they were both less powerful and and desperately trying to survive plus still having to deal with Batman.

 

Recent comic suggests that Penguin at least would have gone straight or at least left Gotham if he didn't have something to prove in terms of vengeance against Batman.

 

Don't be ridiculous, DC stopped making comics years ago.

 

He's the science guy.

 

Mr Zoat, Paul already suggested that Lois get the Danner Formula in Jungle Gym, and I can't remember where, but I think you already confirmed it in or out of story that she took the offer.

 

"I wince"

Hello Justice Lords.

He already gave her the formula.

Yeah, that bald head really is a distinctive target for laser eyes.

 

Did OL just strand Lois on the other side of the planet, and leave a mindfucked Kal-El unsupervised? That can't end well.

 

Do Danner enhanciles have lifespans equal to Kryptonians? Iirc it's something like 3x a normal human's.

 

you can just tell he looking at Clark sitting right there looking at him and is thinking if he should risk it

 

Isn't Lois in the same boat as Robin? Dannered and with a power suppressor?

Mr Zoat that may be a continuity error with the current chapter.

Lois probably has a bracelet like Artemis.

 

So from a narrative perspective, why exactly was it decided to skip over the entire background of this most recent chapter? You know. The very conversation which somehow broke Superman and got him to reconsider his entire perspective on reality? The one where OL feels like he needs to actually warn Lex Luthor

It feels like the story jumped ahead in a way that didn't do it any favors because it's choosing to gloss over the parts which set up the most recent chapter and somehow justify Superman allegedly changing his perspective. Skipping over it introduces any number of questions that feel glaring if unanswered.

Idk. I don't think the jump ahead did the story any favors, and in fact creates more problems than it...I don't know, solves? If there were any problems which needed to be solved by excluding those scenes to begin with.

 

Probably not but it's a hell of a lot better than what she's got now.

 

Didn't we see that conversation? Just the idea that the universe is big and that superman could likely save millions of lifes with an hour's work in many parts of the universe, but if he gets to doing that then he is doing it 24/7.

Basically OL asked Superman how he manages his work life balance because OL can't manage it.

 

I wince and then

That's a landmine you're stomping on, there.

 

I mean you don't need Zoat to make a play by play recount of the conversation when the last sentence of the chapter tells us the angle of attack Paul probably used.

Clark probably tried to counter the argument with his brand of earnest and Paul may have thrown a tangent about Roanoke Island and the Sheeda invasión and how Clark could have saved more lives if he had altered his priorities a little, then Clark probably went silent because he realized Paul was right and he would have saved a lot more people... Heck Superman being based on a single city in the US probably fucked his world view even more because he likely has failed to respond to emergencies in other countries (earthquakes, floods, etc) while he was busy saving cats from trees in metropolis.

 

Took me a bit to find it, but here's where Lois was said to be Dannered:

Paul asked her if she wanted super powers, a couple chapters later in the same episode he says that he gave her the Danner formula.

 

Mr Zoat : Is this plot twist at least partially inspired by Overly sarcastic productions recent 2 part detail diatribe about Superman? I would include a link, but they are both more then a hour long.

 

I admit that Lois Lane is definitely a woman who can take any amount of sass from others, which makes me cool my jets when she dishes out sass. If this were a boxing match, that rebuke/counter would have her seeing stars though and I’d be cheering in the crowd.

I wonder if Lois has interviewed any of the surviving Sheeda.

 

Boy, is that going to be an awkward, confusing explanation. I presume she does know about Kal's little trip to Earth-666, and the alternate Kara. Still, 'I accidentally found an alternate Earth where the JSA are basically world-wide law enforcement, and something there rattled me' should cover it...

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Well, it's your peace of mind to throw away or not.

Try... More of a non-lethal hero. Sort of recalibrate his responses on Earth to not go straight for the railguns.

Yeah, on other planets, he's fairly well-known... Especially after he leaves. But on Earth? 'Cake Man'.

Meanwhile, in Lex's Office: "Why is he just sitting there? Watching... Just watching..." His left eye twitches as his nerves wear thinner and thinner...

Yeah, being a quarter of the planet away should make it a bit harder for Kal to overhear. He's not Silver-Age 'hear a gnat fart from a parsec away' levels, after all.

Heh. Now she can cut loose without tarnishing Clark's image of her, huh?

Goddamit, OL. Did you manage to break Superman by accident?

Heh, telling the defences not to kill on sight, huh? Supes might be a bit miffed if Miss Lane gets singed...

OL, what did you say? See, this is why the League is wary around you! Forget the giant orange snake and the tendency towards lethal force. You broke Superman! By talking!

Lois? Feel free to bounce his head off a wall for a few minutes, it'll make you feel better.

OL? Mouth. Stop. Stop with the words please.

Surprised you didn't do the 'zipper closing' gag with a construct. But then, this is no time for comedy...

Neither does anyone else. I suspect you could build a few houses with the bricks that would be shat.

Don't play the fool, OL. You're already halfway there already.

I'm wondering why that would trigger him the way it has... Please, do elaborate, OL.

Ah... Yeah, that might be a little depressing...

Well, never know what good living and a little super-science can do for you...

Well. No wonder he's depressed. He's not given the matter that much thought, has he? No wonder he's feeling blue.

I'm betting that'll be a 'I'll cross that bridge when I come to it' process. Or at least he planned to do that, until OL started talking...

I mean, at worst, he can start spreading a little grey dye into his hair at super-speed... For a while at least. At least one older Superman did just that.

It's a very human thing to do, ignoring it until it actually becomes a problem. You can't be blamed for that.

...Yeah, I think enough folks have pointed out the possible continuity error there. No doubt this chapter'll be getting tweaked later, huh? For now, let's carry on as is!

Though I don't think Lois has quite the character to become, say, Superwoman or something like that...

Probably for the best. Not sure who he could go to next. Probably not a good idea to visit Billy. Who could be his number three choice?

Lexcorp? This is going to be... Something.

Ah, showing a little professional courtesy, OL?

Thankfully, he should settle down in a day or two. Maybe go on a bit of a walkabout...

True. I really don't think Clark's in the mood for Lex's shit at all right now.

And then Lex starts banging his forehead on the desk, wondering what god he pissed off to suffer like this...

Right then... Not OL's finest showing in a team-up. Let's hope Clark sorts his head out before long, maybe has a chat with Batman and/or Diana, along with a bit of commiseration about dealing with OL... But on a more serious note, OL may need to think about what he says to people now. I know he wants to make things work better, but sometimes... People don't want to work better. They're comfortable where they are. And most people don't like to have to think about the things they don't want to think about...

 

Didn't Grayven mention to Artemis that Kal-El dies at some point in the next few decades? Assuming that applies here, the whole ageing thing might be moot?

 

I'm not entirely sure they know.

Even if test shows that they could be theoretically immortal or something, none of the individuals who have been exposed to the formula have lived that long so far! What if there's some unknown or subtle soul corruption, or mental degradation, or other side effects?

All he can guarantee is that it would be much better than being a stock human to have that formula applied.

This is not an uncommon problem by the way, there are lots of people who gain immortality but then end up dying within the same time range as a normal unenhanced human in the first place because they start taking stupid risks and end up paying the price.

It's like something on their head says 'Oh, I can't die? Prove it!' and they go suicidely stupid.