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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. WereDragon

    WereDragon Bookwyrm

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    Ah Baul. One of the least successful versions of Paul.

    Wonder if he managed to beg borrow or steal a lantern on his space honeymoon?

    A decent suggestion. These are after all a bunch of violent narcissists, even if regular Paul did manage to relocate them somewhere their violence can temporarily be useful. Thinning the herd is no bad thing. Although it would be better to be selective in which they kill rather than taking the lazy way out.
     
  2. Huttj509

    Huttj509 Getting sticky.

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    Rob a man of everything he has today, and he has nothing tomorrow.

    Get things running day to day while skimming a chunk off the top, and you can keep skimming.

    Squeeze too hard and you break bones.

    BL here convinced em to do it the second way, now he's trying to convince them to stay on the second way.
     
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  3. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, I'm here all night.

    Try the veal.

    It's the closest you can legally get to eating a Frenchman.
    There are very briefly non-Syndicate criminal elements.
    Sure, the Syndicate need administrators. And there are plenty of Syndicate members who don't really have super powers. If you mean 'are there elected officials outside of Syndicate control', no.
    No, because the total number of Made Men isn't actually all that large. There aren't enough of them to colonise an area. If you give someone a choice of 'you can have this plantation owner ruling over you' and 'you can have this American supervillain ruling over you, and you'll pay less and have more security' then quite a few people will go for the second. Not all, but I can't list the counterexamples on this site.
     
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  4. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    I think it was once mentioned that they once brought in undocumented immigrants to work drug farms.

    It's a bit weirder than that.

    Apparently the adult Superwoman was how Mary would look when she transformed, but somehow they separated and the adult version gained supremacy.
     
  5. Whenever Possible

    Whenever Possible Versed in the lewd.

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    The ones who didn't have the self control to go along with Baul and Paul's scheme, or weren't scared enough to stay in line, already died or got caught during their war with the American government.
     
  6. 0zymandias

    0zymandias Making the rounds.

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    The Spanish Empire were 'evil' by the standard of the modern day (some historians largely outside of Spain) but their ideology was exploration and Catholic evangelicalism. They believed that they had a God given mission to convert the natives and explore the New World.

    What Baul is saying is that the Made Men doesn't have that central ideology to unite them is the problem, if it helps I'd suggest some type of metahuman nationalism. Rome believed that they founded by the refugees of ancient Troy, I can't see why the new Management doesn't make up a similar new mythology.
     
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  7. rkyeun

    rkyeun Cabbitus Maximus

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    A scud is a type of extremely cheap and extremely stupid rocket that can't fly straight or aim for shit, but it blows up real good. They were used as missile en masse because they costs a hundredth to make and were faster to build than smart munitions. Why have one expensive smart bomb when you can just throw a thousand dumb ones and know you'll hit what you're aiming at eventually and then all the misses are just bonus collateral damage anyways.
     
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  8. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Well worn.

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    They were evil for any country that wasn't Spain, but they also were wasting a lot of gold and silver, so money dear boy.

    I could mention the Brtish and the Opium Wars that even by the standards of the era it happened it was all kinds of fucked up
     
  9. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    Given at this point the main Paul has made things worse by a rather large amount, I would say Baul is actually one of the more successful version.
     
  10. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Well worn.

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    Grayven seems to be the more successful in reforming bad guys save for the version in DC whose ring is dead.
     
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  11. 0zymandias

    0zymandias Making the rounds.

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    Colonism of the type of the early Spanish Empire was quite literally the first of its kind and they had no one they could learn from. It was brutal exploitation and wasteful in human lives but applying 21st century morals to 15th century countries is rarely an effective method of analysing history. As for wasting gold and silver, the Spanish Empire was a medieval empire with a financial and logistic system that would absolutely seem laughably inefficient to us.

    The Opium Wars started by the EIC and later supported by the British government of the time had their opponents and supporters as does any government policy does, then and now. The same way we have anti-war and anti-capitalist protesters today is the same way there existed anti war and anti capitalist protesters in past years, even if they called themselves something else. Not a small portion of people consider both Gulf Wars, and Afghanistan War as 'evil' and 'fucked' up.
     
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  12. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    Yea...

    You know? It's funny that the most effect Paul is the one without a working power ring.
     
  13. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Well worn.

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    Probably because he is not getting mind fucked by a power ring?
     
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  14. Darinby

    Darinby Your first time is always over so quickly, isn't it?

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    Has Paul made things worse? Earth may be in worse shape but hasn't main Paul helped multiple worlds a great deal with the peace in Vega and forming the Orange Corp to fight the Reach?

    Or because he is concentrating on reforming supervillains instead spreading his efforts in multiple directions.
     
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  15. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Well worn.

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    For Earth yes, for the rest of the universe? Hard to tell yet.

    Do notice that while Grayven is the neutral ending, the author never said Oh El is the good ending.

    Honesty If most supervillains of Earth worked together they would make Power Rings look like mere toys.
     
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  16. BR549

    BR549 This is filth! FILTH!!

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    Ha.

    Oh wait you're serious...
     
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  17. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    Absolutely.

    Putting aside the Earth Issue, his clearing of Vega handed Grayven multiple armies that he has since used to wipe out dozens of planets. And creating the Orange Lantern Corp was at the cost of the much more effective Green Lanterns going to war with The Reach.
     
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  18. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Well worn.

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    Have you heard of the Silver Age Of Comic Books? People usually complain that Superman was so powerful it was ridiculous but the Supervillains... HAHAHA!

    Well, they weren't that far behind.
     
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  19. BR549

    BR549 This is filth! FILTH!!

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    And that does not invalidate the superiority of a (especially Silver Age) power ring.
     
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    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Ah... Reformed...
     
  21. Threadmarks: Meanwhile, on Earth -14
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    Meanwhile, on Earth -14

    21st January 2013
    12:58 GMT +2


    "Back already?"

    I switch back from my 'work costume' to something a little more appropriate for the home. "I think they need a little while." Sounds like Zorina's in her workshop, so I head in that direction. "And Jackie and Arrowette showed up hung over."

    "How did Raquel look?"

    "Better. She actually voluntarily spoke in order to ask questions." I hold out my right hand to the workshop door and let the wards confirm my identity. "But I think that's her limit."

    The locks unlock and the door swings open, prompting Zorina to look up from where she's working on the tubes attached to Madness Marine's head. One of the projects that's allowed me to pretend to be a 'better' villain than I am, increase my personal power and social influence.

    Carlyle shudders as a new batch of Hope flows from the Mask and into the tubing, and through them into the device which squirts into the vials for distribution. Bit of a shame there's only one Medusa Mask as that limits production, but I'm sure we'll work out a way around that eventually.

    Pure hope: an entirely legal high with a positive effect on a person's wellbeing as well as recharging the ring while looking dodgy as heck. A perfectly squared circle.

    "Naelc."

    Zorina-. My.. wife shimmers as her magic removes small amounts of blood and oil from her navy blue Howie laboratory coat and skin, as well as removing unwanted arcane energies which might have attached to her during her work. That done, she walks towards me with a contented smile on her face. I find myself smiling too as I move towards her in return. We embrace, her arms going around my back and mine going around her shoulders.

    I didn't love her when we married, but somewhere along the line-.

    "Ghhhagh?" My head jerks around immediately. "Aaaaynnnyyaa?"

    "She's fine, darling." Zorina pulls away, walking over to the crib and bending over to smile at Zita. "Daddy's a big worry-wart, isn't he?"

    "Mmmeuuaaagh."

    I come up behind her, looking over her shoulder at our daughter. No idea what version of the family magic she'll end up with, but she managed to dodge comic-Jade's problem of having ring-coloured skin. She sees me and smiles, haphazardly waving her flabby little arms

    "Hi Zita!" I can feel myself grinning. "Hi Zita! Hi..!"

    "Eeeeeghuuuh!"

    Zorina reaches into the crib and picks up my-. Our daughter, carefully supporting her head as she pulls her up to her chest. Zita flops against her, hands weakly reaching to grip Zorina's coat.

    "Sutats? Not hungry, doesn't need to be changed and doesn't need to sleep."

    "I can read to her if you need to keep working here?"

    "Is that a dig?"

    "A dig?" She nods towards the corner of the room while keeping her eyes on our daughter. I follow her-. An exercise mat, water bottle, small dumbbells and a skipping rope. Zorina has been merciless towards her baby weight, and… "No! No, I meant-."

    She snorts. "I know, silly."

    "Not that I don't appreciate your efforts, but I know you can be sensitive about-."

    She giggles, wrapping her free arm around me so that Zita is touching both of us. "You must be the worst supervillain ever. The best… Bad supervillain ever?"

    "I prefer anti-villain, and I hope so. Any messages while I was out?"

    "Grandmother's people sent a message. They think that there's an auspicious time to introduce Zita to the coven."

    "Should you be… Telling me about that?"

    "I think it's one of those 'test-of-loyalty' things."

    "I literally can't imagine you failing a test."

    "No, I pass because I'm loyal to my husband and daughter. I've been to coven meetings before and they're not that interesting. It's just a bunch of old women gathered around a fire pit and evoking demons. There probably won't even be any blood."

    "How dull."

    "The Zatara Family is a family, and you and Zita are my family." She looks up to nuzzle my face. "And you're much more important to me than some wizened hags in a cave in Aquileia or some cousin I share an ancestor with thirty generations ago. Oh, but don't call them hags outside of this room."

    "I won't. Is it dangerous?"

    "No, no." She looks down, smiling at Zita as she reaches for her face and rocking her back and forth. "They'll just perform an augury."

    "How will they perform an augury without blood?"

    "They get the animal from the local butcher already bled. It saves a lot of effort with the clean-up and doesn't affect the augury at all. But it's mostly about introducing the new Zatara to their doting great aunts. The augury's just an excuse."

    "So I don't need to worry about them sticking pins in a me-shaped doll?"

    "Paul." She moves her free hand to my right cheek. "You're part of the family. All those pins are just there to help."

    "Uubababah?"

    "Uuuuuh."

    I turn my head to look at our 'emotion cow'. "Should Zita be in here with him?"

    "Why not? He can't move with a broken neck."

    "I'm not suggesting that we keep our occupation secret from her or anything, but it might help if we wait to do a full introduction until she's old enough to be able to put it in the proper context. You know, 'this person did this and that's why we're doing this' rather than 'sometimes Mummy and Daddy do this to people'."

    "Daddy didn't do that with me."

    "I… I think, darling, that this is one of those disconnects that someone raised in a supervillain household has from people who weren't."

    She nods. "That's the second one in this conversation."

    "What was the first?"

    "You offered to look after Zita while I kept working."

    "Yes?"

    She sighs, resting the side of her face against my chest. "In the Zatara family, that's the mother's job. Daddy raised me after Mommy died, but that's unusual. I know you didn't mean to imply that I'm a bad mother-"

    "No, of course not."

    "-but that's what it would have sounded like to another Zatara. And I want Zita to grow up in a more traditional household. Because…" She sighs. "We're doing a lot of things that… Change the way supervillainy works. And if that means that you have to be alpha-dominant in public so our people respect you more, then that's what you need to do. I know you respect me. You don't have to assume that I'm going to forget."

    "Obey the small rules so you can break the big ones."

    "That's from Nineteen Eight-Four, isn't it?" I nod, though it didn't work in the long run for the character who tried it. "And… I want to make it easier for Zita to fit in with the family. Mommy… Dying, meant that I never got that chance."

    "Okay. I'll… Try that. Can we go and play with her together? Or do I need to tell you to get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich?"

    She nods. "What do you want in it?"



    Um.
     
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  22. Celtic Spartan

    Celtic Spartan Know what you're doing yet?

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    Ham and Cheese obviously.
     
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    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Did I ever tell you about my history with cheese?
     
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    Ngamer11 Experienced.

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    Is there a particular reason for them to pick this guy as the person to supply the Hope drug? Also, Madness Marine is an interesting name for a superhero, unless he's one of the more radical ones. Also, this shows that Baul now has a good idea on how to do bad things to introduce positive effects. I hope Paul and Baul will swap notes again in the future.

    That should say 'meetings'.

    So Zorina remembered that Zatanna called OL by his real name, so now she can call Baul that when in private. Does anyone else in the Syndicate know his first name?
     
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    Pinklestia Well worn.

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    Does it involve madness and the Dragonborn?
     
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    Sceptic Critical Irrationalist

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    Is it a gouda story?
     
  27. ForeverShogo

    ForeverShogo Not too sore, are you?

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    Ah, so when she said traditional she meant "traditional" traditional. Not just villainous traditional.
     
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    BlackCoat13 I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker

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    Oh-ho! I ask about Zorina yesterday, and we get to see her. The joy of the author interacting with his readers. :D And a little bit of warm and fluffy fun never hurts, given the heavy stuff happening over in the Paragon side.

    Ah, Zorina showing a bit of compassion? Or just scientific curiosity over an unfortunate experiment of dubious success?

    Gee, he looks like such a nice fellow. I bet his local counterpart was just as big an arsehole?

    May as well benefit from some rich peoples' desperate desire for the next big high, eh?

    Oooh, nice to have a name for the classic Golden Age Evil Scientist 'uniform' outfit, as seen often on Doctor Sivana, back in the day. And it's got practical pockets too!

    ...For a second, I though that was him having some kind of Love-based spasm...

    ...But no, it's just baby talk. Huh. Is this the first official SI offspring seen on-screen? I mean, we had pregnant Komand'r In Raul's segments, but, well...

    You never know, she might turn blue sometime in the future. Maybe during her teenage years, when a metagene kicks in. Honestly, the children of Lanterns can be... Strange.

    x3 Dangit...

    Ah, and between them, they'll never have to wonder what any crying is about.

    Ah, youngsters. Carrying a little baby weight in the right places can improve a woman's figure. Where do you think the MILF fetish comes from? :p

    Baul, Baul, Baul... Ever a little blind to people's feelings, for all that he can see emotions.

    Villain with good intentions? Some people just have trouble begin bad.

    ...Hardly a secret, is it? The Zatara family are witches and warlocks. I would expect them to crow about it, hexing people just to prove they can...

    Aw, you sweet-talker you.

    I hope they at least wear clothes. That whole 'skyclad' thing is a little hard to keep to during long European winters. :p

    Do you really want to offend that many elder sorceresses?

    Hey, in some cultures, they did them by tossing carved turtle shells in fires and reading the cracks... Don't underestimate the many ways people use to try and divine the future.

    ...Ah, it's just a chance for the old babas to coo over a little one, huh? :rolleyes:

    ;) Remote acupuncture... Could work?

    Does she care about the funny man in the dangly things? Heck, at her age, just realising the little wiggly things she's waving about are part of her should be mind-blowing enough. :V

    ...Also, the infinitesimally small chance of the emotional energy triggering a metagene... o_O Hey, it could happen.

    ...To be fair, most households on this Earth could qualify as supervillain households. Or at least criminal ones.

    Ooh, the minefield of talking with a significant other with certain traditions.

    Ah, she's old-fashioned that way, eh?

    I doubt she's that mad about it. You aren't a newt right now.

    Heh. He is kind of changing the way the world thinks about crime and profit, isn't he?

    Sadly, Baul's not really the 'male chauvinist' type.

    ...I mean, you know how she is in the bedroom. Does it surprise you that she has... Tastes... that swing that way? :p

    Heh. A happy little family. Experimenting on arseholes together in the name of profit. I wonder if when Zita's older, her teenage rebellion will come in the form of becoming a superhero? :D At least Baul has a reliable method for maintaining the level of Hope needed to generate a net gain of charge. And he gets to make people think he's being an evil bastard in the process, so win-win.


    I'm picturing something akin to the political history between England and France during the Middle Ages... :confused: And it's not a pretty image.
     
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    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    If you were going to kill someone anyway, why waste them when you can perform acts of horrendous torture on them?
    Thank you, corrected.
    The Young Offenders, management, probably a few other people. The Answer never uses it.
    No. Daggerfall would have been the contemporary Elder Scrolls game.
    Thank you, corrected. I wish this site would stop eating those.
    Actually, I wrote that last weekend.
    No.
     
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