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TanaNari said:
Japan? A lot.

A lot a lot.

Or at least their game designers did.

Every JRPG from the early 80s to mid 90s was built entirely off of D&D. To the point where several dozen notable monsters had to be renamed for copyright reasons in the American release.
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Most of the Light Novel/Web Novel stuff just seems loosely based off of Dragon Quest

It's only Goblin Slayer that goes on about dice
 
TheMidnightRook said:
I can only think of a couple cases where they aren't. The first involves a shotgun.

The second involves Vegas, large amounts of booze, and a preacher who's probably dressed like Elvis.
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The third involves someone trying to cut out a party they're obligated to invite but don't want to.
 
TanaNari said:
Japan? A lot.

A lot a lot.

Or at least their game designers did.

Every JRPG from the early 80s to mid 90s was built entirely off of D&D. To the point where several dozen notable monsters had to be renamed for copyright reasons in the American release.
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As an aside, it always cracked me up when people were complaining that D&D was becoming too video-game-like because it was taking jargon from games that had been ripping off D&D mechanics so hard that they were effectively doing D&D things better than D&D currently did, like monster aggro and morale (both of which were relevant in oD&D and 1e but fell out of favor in more recent editions).
 
evildice said:
As an aside, it always cracked me up when people were complaining that D&D was becoming too video-game-like because it was taking jargon from games that had been ripping off D&D mechanics so hard that they were effectively doing D&D things better than D&D currently did, like monster aggro and morale (both of which were relevant in oD&D and 1e but fell out of favor in more recent editions).
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How much "balance" is there between the Character Classes and Races?

Because I get most of the stuff coming out of Japan is about being an overpowered munchkin, but it still feels weird for Healers to be able to do so much
 
SuperPulp2789 said:
Because I get most of the stuff coming out of Japan is about being an overpowered munchkin, but it still feels weird for Healers to be able to do so much
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Works that way in D&D, too.

Or have you not heard the phrase 'CoDzilla'?

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TanaNari said:
Works that way in D&D, too.

Or have you not heard the phrase 'CoDzilla'?

www.urbandictionary.com

Urban Dictionary: CoDzilla

CoDzilla: Refers to a specific sort of character in a Dungeons and Dragons game. A CoDzilla is a Cleric or Druid who excels in one field, such as melee...
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Do they have "appraisers" for example, who can do just about anything?
 
TanaNari said:
Yes.

Cleric. Druid. 'Batman Wizard'. Artificer. Several prestige classes. And whatever OP bullshit the latest illithid or doppleganger splatbook put out that edition.
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Shame that for the Japanese, it's confined mainly to the protagonists for the most part, otherwise how else would it be a Power Fantasy
 
The general best three classes in D&D, over many editions, are the Cleric, Druid, and Wizard. Because they can either get a spell or turn into something that can accomplish anything, including kill lots of mooks, equal to or better than the classes that specialize in those things. Anything else in their tier is generally a variant of them.

There was also the "Convert-Spell-To-Power Erudite Psion". A Psionics user... that could spend XP to learn Arcane powers as Psionic powers. Thus letting them spontaneously and material-lessly cast almost anything in the game. Which is exactly as stupid as it sounds.
 
SuperPulp2789 said:
How much "balance" is there between the Character Classes and Races?
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In older D&D editions? Less than zero balance.

TanaNari said:
Works that way in D&D, too.

Or have you not heard the phrase 'CoDzilla'?

www.urbandictionary.com

Urban Dictionary: CoDzilla

CoDzilla: Refers to a specific sort of character in a Dungeons and Dragons game. A CoDzilla is a Cleric or Druid who excels in one field, such as melee...
www.urbandictionary.com www.urbandictionary.com
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That's fairly new, but yes it's definitely a thing now.

In ye olde editions, it was common for a character who got "too strong" (e.g. 10th level) to retire. These characters who retired got to put their name on whatever mechanics they were able to trick the DM into allowing, stuff like new spells ("Melf's Acid Arrow" was from a PC named Melf for example).

Then the player's new character could talk up their old character's mechanics and spread the name in-world.
 
evildice said:
In older D&D editions? Less than zero balance.



That's fairly new, but yes it's definitely a thing now.

In ye olde editions, it was common for a character who got "too strong" (e.g. 10th level) to retire. These characters who retired got to put their name on whatever mechanics they were able to trick the DM into allowing, stuff like new spells ("Melf's Acid Arrow" was from a PC named Melf for example).

Then the player's new character could talk up their old character's mechanics and spread the name in-world.
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or the game shifting to domain management
 
MadGreenSon said:
Overlord exists because Maruyama was killing time when his D&D group had to cancel one night so he started writing a webnovel.
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Record of Lodoss War started as transcripts of a D&D campaign being published in magazines, got turned into novels, then anime, manga, etc and even spawned a new TTRPG of it's own that has supplanted D&D's popularity and become the most popular TTRPG in Japan.
 
TanaNari said:
Because Japan?

Everything is bureaucracy in Japan.
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Fair

Explains how/why they have analogies to office workers, even though it's a more physical job

Same for Guilds in Korea's Tower System Apocalypse LITRPG equivalents which started with Solo Leveling. Where it's more of a toxic corporate office environment than a PMC.
 
SuperPulp2789 said:
Same for Guilds in Korea's Tower System Apocalypse LITRPG equivalents which started with Solo Leveling. Where it's more of a toxic corporate office environment than a PMC.
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Solo Leveling takes place on Earth, in the modern day, after magic showed up.

There are bureaucrats and receptionists because it's Earth, in the modern day.

That doesn't bug me at all.


It is different and absurd to see the various fantasy medieval worlds which decided they need bureaucrats and receptionists (and goddamn receptionist uniforms holy shit) because the authors can imagine an escapist fantasy but not freedom from the systems of social coercion that forced them into fantasy escapism in the first place.
 
If there was an Adventurer's Guild in the Forgotten Realms setting it would be the uncontestable world superpower.
 
TheMidnightRook said:
Same reason merchants and craftsmen used guilds historically: mutual aid and protection
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MadGreenSon said:
If there was an Adventurer's Guild in the Forgotten Realms setting it would be the uncontestable world superpower.
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I think it would work best if there are multiple competing guilds rather than one big international body

Think of "Fixers" from Cyberpunk

They don't necessarily all have buildings where everyone goes to, hell, they may go to you instead and keep the deals a secret
 
TanaNari said:
You know, besides the competing Adventurer's Guild in the next city over. And the six thousand or so others in the kingdom. And the million or so worldwide.
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I guess I'm used to all the manga where it's all the same guild wherever you go. Because if it was like that...
 
MadGreenSon said:
If there was an Adventurer's Guild in the Forgotten Realms setting it would be the uncontestable world superpower.
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Isn't that literally the gods though?

They're always sending untouchable "quest giver" NPCs to push the PCs back onto the rails.

It's one of the reasons I don't love FR outside video games.
 
Adventurer's Guilds can serve several purposes, in a setting where 'Adventurer' has become a stable profession. A government might want to set them up to keep an eye on them, make sure they aren't sticking their noses too deep into local politics- or just to prevent a private interest from setting up a guild and having their own private army, as long as they're clever enough with their 'requests.' To make sure their rewards are taxed. So the nobles can make requests without having to invite the filthy peasants into their homes and the common folk can avoid having to make requests of possibly volatile mercenaries to their faces.

In settings with a ranking system, it serves as both a way to keep weaker parties from biting off more than they can chew and providing a scoreboard for the higher-ranked to boast about.

In some settings- usually the more dangerous ones- the guild provides a paycheck even when missions are scarce, keeping the Adventurer population from turning to crime or retiring to a calmer profession until such time as it's obvious they aren't needed- that it's not just a lull.

They also often act as brokers, selling retrieved monster corpses and valuables and taken a portion for themselves- but probably getting a better deal as well as knowing who to sell to and who can take the bulk, etc.

When there are three parties running about your country solving problems and stirring shit up, you can handle them individually. When it breaks, oh, thirty? You'll want some organization.

So I'd say it's mainly a matter of scale.
 
evildice said:
Isn't that literally the gods though?

They're always sending untouchable "quest giver" NPCs to push the PCs back onto the rails.
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No, that's my ex-wife. She knew the whole group so well that she literally had 100% accurate predictions of our actions as part of her notes for DMing.

Looking at them after the campaign was spine chilling. We had no surprises for her. She knew exactly what we were going to do.
 
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