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It's how Apokoliptians swear. Power Boy started it.
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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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I think it's because in Yesterday's chapter the Ring stated his consciousness exists primarily as Orange Light.
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Deep Six Status:
Shaligo: Assimilated. Currently with OL and Roy.
Slig: Turned into a seal. Might regain his mental faculties when the collar is removed.
Pyron: Assimilated. Currently dealing with Trok.
Trok: Still free. Currently fighting Pyron.
Gole: Incapacitated. Not getting assimilated unless he somehow breaks free.
Jaffar: Still free.
So, Paragon might be leaving with half a complete set. Hey Mr Zoat, do construct lanterns have the knowledge they can assimilate things from the start or are they unaware till their lantern tells them? Asking cause Larfleeze's construct lanterns seemed to assimilate everyone they killed in the comics.
Shaligo: Assimilated. Currently with OL and Roy.
Slig: Turned into a seal. Might regain his mental faculties when the collar is removed.
Pyron: Assimilated. Currently dealing with Trok.
Trok: Still free. Currently fighting Pyron.
Gole: Incapacitated. Not getting assimilated unless he somehow breaks free.
Jaffar: Still free.
So, Paragon might be leaving with half a complete set. Hey Mr Zoat, do construct lanterns have the knowledge they can assimilate things from the start or are they unaware till their lantern tells them? Asking cause Larfleeze's construct lanterns seemed to assimilate everyone they killed in the comics.
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The SI is unclear how much a construct lantern is a person and how much they're person-shaped orange light. He hasn't really experimented, and certainly doesn't engage them in casual conversation so as to avoid seeing them as people.
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Demon Nabu tends to express a pretty strong ego.
But anyways, that wasn't what I was asking; I was asking if the construct lanterns had instinctive knowledge on their powers and could they use them at will.
For example, could Pyron decide to try and assimilate Trok on his own or would he not even know he could try to di what OL did to him unless Paragon ordered him to assimilate him.
Ring: "Identity theft in progress. One percent complete."
Paragon: "What the... Pyron?"
-Pyron's head appears from the ring.-
Pyron: "Yeah, Boss?"
Paragon: "Are you...?"
Pyron: "Nabbing Trok? Oh yeah!" -cue frown.- "Do.. you not want me too?"
Paragon: "Uh, not bothered, but I'll need to boost you to get it done."
Pyron: "Got it- OW! Dammit, Trok, stop struggling!"
Paragon: "... What does it say he's the first to try doing this without me asking him to?"
Paragon: "What the... Pyron?"
-Pyron's head appears from the ring.-
Pyron: "Yeah, Boss?"
Paragon: "Are you...?"
Pyron: "Nabbing Trok? Oh yeah!" -cue frown.- "Do.. you not want me too?"
Paragon: "Uh, not bothered, but I'll need to boost you to get it done."
Pyron: "Got it- OW! Dammit, Trok, stop struggling!"
Paragon: "... What does it say he's the first to try doing this without me asking him to?"
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I sometimes avoid answering questions by stating that the SI wouldn't know the answer. I haven't decided whether that's a thing or not.
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Ah, got it.
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That may not be him.
When Paul talked to Morrow he was told that Morrow was unsure if the way he behaves is because that's how he is or because that's how Paul thinks he would.
Demon Nabu's arrogance may be Paul's belief about him.
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Good point.
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Missing punctuation after occupied.
His looping evasive pattern
glancing hit to
throws up with his mouth-. (Or 'throws up with his mouth sealed.')
Also, the lack of any punctuation on OL's 'dialogue' is ever so slightly jarring. Might want to consider single quotes or italics or something.
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If he's using the ring, maybd the dialogue from him should be orange?
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Thank you, corrected.
Ripples (part 18)
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23rd July 2013
12:16 GMT
"So how come I'm not infected?"
Leaving Sserpa behind to deal with the prisoners-. Prisoner and talkative seal, and I really hope that being turned into a seal doesn't count as 'death' for the purpose of them being reborn in the spawning pits, but neither of my construct lanterns know.
My best guess is that I got infected when I took off my helmet and turned off my environmental shield. It wasn't for long, but if the cells were airborne then they could have entered my body. And since they're immune to direct detection, they wouldn't have been purged when I reactivated it.
"Why did you turn off your environmental shield?"
Mantis wanted to smell me.
He stares at me. "O-kay?" He blinks, then shakes his head. "So, ah, always wear protection?"
I don't think it works like that. Wearing a helmet harms interpersonal interactions. In virtually all circumstances, an environmental shield is a perfectly effective form of protection.
"You're the one who said that the Orange Lantern Corps is a military organization first."
Yes, but the Justice League isn't, and I'm here doing League work. I agree, it would be nice not to be an octopus, but-
He snorts.
-I don't think this was a reasonably foreseeable event.
"Yeah, but you don't wear armour 'cause you know you're gunna get shot. You just know it could happen."
Huh.
I suppose that I could have prevented this problem by having a second conventional environmental shield on as well as the one my rings generate. My heavy armour includes that system, but you've seen what that looks like.
"Why are you so worried what it looks like?"
Because… Did you read the file on the Justice Society International?
"The parallel universe thing where the J.S.A. never broke up?"
Yes.
"Yeah, I read it. Kinda looks like Batman might be doing the same thing."
There's a logic to it. It's just… I don't really want to make a militarised system like that. Did you read up on Robert Peel?
"Yeah, 'cause you mentioned it. I don't think superheroes are exactly part of the public."
But we're not supposed to be an oppressive military force, either. NEMO is a military organisation, but the part of LEGION that's responsible for maintaining order on occupied planets doesn't dress like its marines and they include as many local people as they can once their brain scans come back clear.
"And that's why you don't like the OMACs. Because they're… Not part of the public. They don't even remember being part of the public."
Just because your costume is bright, that doesn't make you a superhero. And if I recognise that, Batman certainly should. Intimidation should be a sometimes tool.
And there the beach again. Only two members of the Deep Six left; Jaffar, who specialises in precise biological manipulation rather than 'now you're a fish' like Slig, and Trok, the axe-fighter who first attacked Roy. Jaffar stayed behind to continue their work, but I'm not sure what's Trok's planning.
I undulate as Shaligo returns to my ring, the impression of the platform where Jaffar's working, some sort of Apokoliptian machinery and… A crack in reality through which S'ivaa can be seen.
They destroyed my construct lantern. It's just the two of them.
"And any animals they created."
Jaffar is too focused on S'ivaa to make many of those. As far as Shaligo knows, all he's got is a couple of razor minnows.
"Will my armor stop them?"
It should, but they're mostly there to distract and harass rather than attack. The main threat comes from Trok and Jaffar.
"How fast can Jaffar work?"
Not particularly fast, and his ability is short ranged.
"You don't have to change a body much before it stops working."
You don't have to stab someone much before they stop working. Oh, and he can go invisible, so use your augmented visual modes.
"I always have those on. Sometimes when I'm on a mission I pretend I'm the predator."
Yautja.
"Huh?"
That's-. Never mind.
"You don't wanna turn back into a human before we attack them?"
When there's a chance of something that big getting out, I don't want to spend the hours carefully filtering my own blood that I'd need to in order to get my body back when I can fight well enough like this.
He nods. "Approach vector?"
Supercavitation drop. We'll get above them, then I'll fill the water with carbon dioxide bubbles and we can fall straight through it. It'll be more disorientating for them than us, unlike having me transition us there.
"And what do we do if S'ivaa gets out?"
Die.
"Oh. You don't… I don't know, the Ophidian..?"
I took eight months to work out how to reliably kill Nabu. I've had an hour to think about S'ivaa, a being about which I know nothing. Since modifying the Deep Six with his eczema made them immune to constructs, I'm going to assume that he's immune to at least that much, as well as being effectively invulnerable to kinetic energy at levels we can generate. I mean, sure, if he stirs, I'll throw everything I've got at him, but I'm not hopeful.
"Couldn't we just get away? If we can't hurt him, there's no sense getting killed."
If he gets completely free, that's the aim. The problem is, I don't know what the dividing line between 'getting out, but we can force him back if we're lucky' and 'he's out, kiss your arse goodbye' is. So I don't know when to give the 'flee' order.
And I do not remember S'ivaa from the comics, so no help there.
"Makes sense."
Right. Last thing. Ring, contact Lantern Rrab.
"Compliance."
An image of a somewhat distracted-looking Lantern Rrab appears over my ring. "We're bus-." She blinks. "Did he-? Lose his ring?"
No, he got turned into an octopus. We're heading in to confront the last remaining members of the Deep Six and try to keep S'ivaa in his pocket dimension. Send reinforcements once they're available.
"R-right. But I don't know when that will be."
Doesn't matter. Just do it once you can. End.
I turn to Roy as her face vanishes.
Shall we?
12:16 GMT
"So how come I'm not infected?"
Leaving Sserpa behind to deal with the prisoners-. Prisoner and talkative seal, and I really hope that being turned into a seal doesn't count as 'death' for the purpose of them being reborn in the spawning pits, but neither of my construct lanterns know.
My best guess is that I got infected when I took off my helmet and turned off my environmental shield. It wasn't for long, but if the cells were airborne then they could have entered my body. And since they're immune to direct detection, they wouldn't have been purged when I reactivated it.
"Why did you turn off your environmental shield?"
Mantis wanted to smell me.
He stares at me. "O-kay?" He blinks, then shakes his head. "So, ah, always wear protection?"
I don't think it works like that. Wearing a helmet harms interpersonal interactions. In virtually all circumstances, an environmental shield is a perfectly effective form of protection.
"You're the one who said that the Orange Lantern Corps is a military organization first."
Yes, but the Justice League isn't, and I'm here doing League work. I agree, it would be nice not to be an octopus, but-
He snorts.
-I don't think this was a reasonably foreseeable event.
"Yeah, but you don't wear armour 'cause you know you're gunna get shot. You just know it could happen."
Huh.
I suppose that I could have prevented this problem by having a second conventional environmental shield on as well as the one my rings generate. My heavy armour includes that system, but you've seen what that looks like.
"Why are you so worried what it looks like?"
Because… Did you read the file on the Justice Society International?
"The parallel universe thing where the J.S.A. never broke up?"
Yes.
"Yeah, I read it. Kinda looks like Batman might be doing the same thing."
There's a logic to it. It's just… I don't really want to make a militarised system like that. Did you read up on Robert Peel?
"Yeah, 'cause you mentioned it. I don't think superheroes are exactly part of the public."
But we're not supposed to be an oppressive military force, either. NEMO is a military organisation, but the part of LEGION that's responsible for maintaining order on occupied planets doesn't dress like its marines and they include as many local people as they can once their brain scans come back clear.
"And that's why you don't like the OMACs. Because they're… Not part of the public. They don't even remember being part of the public."
Just because your costume is bright, that doesn't make you a superhero. And if I recognise that, Batman certainly should. Intimidation should be a sometimes tool.
And there the beach again. Only two members of the Deep Six left; Jaffar, who specialises in precise biological manipulation rather than 'now you're a fish' like Slig, and Trok, the axe-fighter who first attacked Roy. Jaffar stayed behind to continue their work, but I'm not sure what's Trok's planning.
I undulate as Shaligo returns to my ring, the impression of the platform where Jaffar's working, some sort of Apokoliptian machinery and… A crack in reality through which S'ivaa can be seen.
They destroyed my construct lantern. It's just the two of them.
"And any animals they created."
Jaffar is too focused on S'ivaa to make many of those. As far as Shaligo knows, all he's got is a couple of razor minnows.
"Will my armor stop them?"
It should, but they're mostly there to distract and harass rather than attack. The main threat comes from Trok and Jaffar.
"How fast can Jaffar work?"
Not particularly fast, and his ability is short ranged.
"You don't have to change a body much before it stops working."
You don't have to stab someone much before they stop working. Oh, and he can go invisible, so use your augmented visual modes.
"I always have those on. Sometimes when I'm on a mission I pretend I'm the predator."
Yautja.
"Huh?"
That's-. Never mind.
"You don't wanna turn back into a human before we attack them?"
When there's a chance of something that big getting out, I don't want to spend the hours carefully filtering my own blood that I'd need to in order to get my body back when I can fight well enough like this.
He nods. "Approach vector?"
Supercavitation drop. We'll get above them, then I'll fill the water with carbon dioxide bubbles and we can fall straight through it. It'll be more disorientating for them than us, unlike having me transition us there.
"And what do we do if S'ivaa gets out?"
Die.
"Oh. You don't… I don't know, the Ophidian..?"
I took eight months to work out how to reliably kill Nabu. I've had an hour to think about S'ivaa, a being about which I know nothing. Since modifying the Deep Six with his eczema made them immune to constructs, I'm going to assume that he's immune to at least that much, as well as being effectively invulnerable to kinetic energy at levels we can generate. I mean, sure, if he stirs, I'll throw everything I've got at him, but I'm not hopeful.
"Couldn't we just get away? If we can't hurt him, there's no sense getting killed."
If he gets completely free, that's the aim. The problem is, I don't know what the dividing line between 'getting out, but we can force him back if we're lucky' and 'he's out, kiss your arse goodbye' is. So I don't know when to give the 'flee' order.
And I do not remember S'ivaa from the comics, so no help there.
"Makes sense."
Right. Last thing. Ring, contact Lantern Rrab.
"Compliance."
An image of a somewhat distracted-looking Lantern Rrab appears over my ring. "We're bus-." She blinks. "Did he-? Lose his ring?"
No, he got turned into an octopus. We're heading in to confront the last remaining members of the Deep Six and try to keep S'ivaa in his pocket dimension. Send reinforcements once they're available.
"R-right. But I don't know when that will be."
Doesn't matter. Just do it once you can. End.
I turn to Roy as her face vanishes.
Shall we?
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Either Paul isn't in that conversation, or you're missing the orange quotation marks.
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Hmm, still needs to be indicated as speech somehow. Maybe orange tildes or approx-equal signs in lieu of quote marks? E.g. ≈≈text≈≈
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Paul is the ring right now
he not talking verbally or even mentally
no clue what form of communication this is
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Octopi don't have conventional mouths and Paul has been doing that since last chapter so it probably has something to do with the octopus transformation.
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That is the interesting part. If the Old God cells can casually ignore all of OL's defences, why didn't it rip through Roy's? Was he simply too insignificant, or is there something blindingly obvious OL ,missed?
(For clarity, I'll put anything OL says 'out loud' into a different font. Hopefully I catch everything...)
But really, I don't think that name is ever used in any of the movies, is it? (And is pronounced 'Ya-oo'cha', more or less, apparently...)
Seems reasonable, as we saw how effective they are against Spectrum Constructs.
Except in ones when something can bypass the shield. To be fair to OL, he didn't know that at the time.
On the upside, just imagine how Ratchet will react. All the many-limbed hugs.
And he had no reason to assume his environmental shield was able to be compromised.
To be fair, in their line of work, getting shot is pretty likely. And OL knows construct armour isn't super-effective against all things. Hence his conventional armours.
I mean, just tell him about how you posed as a warbot on Qward, OL. Faceless, physically-imposing armour isn't always conducive to diplomacy.
Very much an object lesson about militarised super-beings, yes.
Except with genericised super-soldiers instead of independence-friendly, colourfully-clad superheroes... Bit worrying, isn't it?
His part in founding pretty much the first 'modern' police force, you mean? Pertinent...
Which does make sense. 'Hearts and Minds', and all that...
Yeah, there are plenty of supervillains with colourful costumes, often for exactly the reason OL uses.
I wonder if the 'prison' is close enough to biological for Jaffar's power to affect it? Hey, New God stuff is weird that way, you know?
Ah, I see. Brute-forcing the process via the metaphysical equivalent of the 'jaws of life'.
Useful to know what your construct knew...
The big eff-off axe is the obvious threat. The real trouble is what the bio-kinetic can do...
Good thing Roy is built for long-range engagement.
Oh, that's just nasty. Even if his power is touch-range, being able to sneak up on his target makes it too easy...
Gesundheit.
But really, I don't think that name is ever used in any of the movies, is it? (And is pronounced 'Ya-oo'cha', more or less, apparently...)Save the pop culture lesson for after you save the planet.
And that's assuming that even works. Who knows just what effect all this has had on you, physically and spiritually, besides the obvious.
Clever. Just the carbon-dioxide bubbles alone will put them off their game, given their amphibious nature.
Would you want to take the risk of throwing one-seventh of the Universe's psychic makeup against a god of destruction?
Let's hope it doesn't come to that, then...
Best option would be 'retreat immediately and hope you make it.' then head for Supertown.
Yeah, good thing you didn't say that part out loud.
Is everyone going to have some snappy comment about his new form or what?
Let's hope Highfather overheard that name, even if it means things might get awkward. That will get whatever aid can be mustered on its way pronto.
Well, to quote a wise Gungan: 'Ouch time.'
Seriously, the sooner OL gets a voice back, the better... But that aside, this promises to be a very messy fight. The remaining Deep Sixers are basically immune to constructs, meaning OL's Construct Lanterns will have minimal effect, while their toughness means weapons will also be of limited effectiveness. OL might have to go for close assault assimilation, reputation damage bedamned.
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As a totally clueless hunch, I think it's because Paul is almost sort of turning into a New God himself. Arsenal is not carting around the same sort of metaphysical weight Paul is getting from his weirdness, where his enlightenment can sometimes give off invispeech god stuff. Metaphysically, he's got just enough similarity, I believe, that the Old God aimed at New God / Apocalypse gets him in the splash zone of effects.
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That should say 'Lose'.
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So I watched the Sandman a while back, and I've been meaning to ask this question (and forgetting to) - the Endless. "Is the reason things are different that Destruction didn't fuck off? Is that why Dream hasn't been replaced by Daniel Hall, despite Daniel being born?"
Not necessarily accurate guessing, but Destruction apparently is the Heart of the group, and Daniel's birth came about from Dream's capture and the Dream Vortex allowing Lyta's husband to slip into Dream from Death (meaning that it could still happen if Destruction was around, but that he could help Dream be a little more personable).
And let's be honest, Destruction's motivation for leaving - in a setting with Apokolips- is nigh-nonsensical, even in a 'straw that breaks the camel's back' way - especially if petty human stuff really is a side-gig to their main focus, as Paul guessed.
Not necessarily accurate guessing, but Destruction apparently is the Heart of the group, and Daniel's birth came about from Dream's capture and the Dream Vortex allowing Lyta's husband to slip into Dream from Death (meaning that it could still happen if Destruction was around, but that he could help Dream be a little more personable).
And let's be honest, Destruction's motivation for leaving - in a setting with Apokolips- is nigh-nonsensical, even in a 'straw that breaks the camel's back' way - especially if petty human stuff really is a side-gig to their main focus, as Paul guessed.
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That video isn't available in my country, possibly for reasons I can't talk about for 19 years and 11 months.
It was.
Thank you, corrected.
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Not here in Australia either, so most likely a copyright sort of thing.
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I thought he took down his environmental shield so the insect guy could smell him?
Edit: Ripples part 9:
So all the talk of "getting through my environmental shield" was confusing.
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So all the talk of "getting through my environmental shield" was confusing.
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Same here in France.
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Trok is presumably trying to avoid Pyron, who was last seen chasing after him. You'll probably figure out what he's doing if he manages to send Pyron back into the ring.
Construct Shaligo was still able to restrain Slig even if he couldn't make use of his construct lantern powers.
I think the circumstances will prevent reputation damage from being that big a deal.
Huh, guess its actually Mantis' fault that happened then, huh?
Shouldn't there be a name and place here? Since OL didn't know Shaligo's name yet the ring still addressed him as Shaligo of Apokolips.
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