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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Still makes me wonder how it was set up. One giant space that stretched to encompass everyone no matter how far apart they moved? Or a fixed volume and everyone stayed apart however they could?

I picture it as not unlike Irregular Webcomic's Infinite Featureless Plane of Death. Just lacking Head Death's desk.
 
Thank you, corrected.
...And that confusion got me too, as an earlier comment saw. For reference, I'm currently picturing the Admiral as Terance Stamp, and the General as Micheal Shannon from 'Man of Steel'. Could be worse, could see one of them as the Smallzille Zod.
My goodness me, he's a living generic NPC.
 
So is this the 'glaze Silver Kara' segment?

I, for one, still dislike this overpowered, sociopathic murder squirrel, that showed up out of nowhere and continues to be as suspect as the first time she appeared. Also, can't wait for whenever she finally explodes and disappears from the story, like Nazi Supergirl.
 
Huh, so I guess Zoat either still hasn't seen Season 4 or is ignoring parts of it.
 
He's ignoring everything post season 2, explicitly
I recall last time it came up he hadn't seen 3 or 4 and a lot of the lore he's already established before 3 came out contradicts which we've found out so it's not like I'm expecting him to retcon stuff but with Metron recently matching his Young Justice appearance and personality I was mildly surprised with the Zor and Ursa details in the phantom zone.
 
I recall last time it came up he hadn't seen 3 or 4 and a lot of the lore he's already established before 3 came out contradicts which we've found out so it's not like I'm expecting him to retcon stuff but with Metron recently matching his Young Justice appearance and personality I was mildly surprised with the Zor and Ursa details in the phantom zone.
No High Mother, though.

I might end up using stuff that doesn't contradict what I've written or annoy me. Blue Metron? Sure, why not. Zod in blackface? No.
 
Back Channels (part 14) New
1st August 2013
12:24 GMT -5


"Oh." Mitchell looks up in surprise. "Ah, what brings you here?"

I look around the café, which is located a convenient distance from the LexCorp office where Mitchell is for some reason interning. Plenty of witnesses, none of them showing any particular interest.

And I checked.

"
Ah, well, I'd like to say that I'm checking up on a friend to see how his job's going-."

"But you need me for something."

"Ah… Sort of."

"Did you go and see Conner first?" I wince. "I think you kinda should."

"Yeah. I-." I'm repeating what I did at university, where I completely fell out of contact with everyone I knew in secondary school and college. I've got a better excuse this time, but I don't think I've had an actual conversation with him for three months. The occasional 'hey' when we see each other when we're both doing other things… "You're right, but-."

Yes, I do need to talk to someone else in the city, but I can leap from one side of the galaxy to the other in a thought.

"Yeah. you're right."

"You know he starts college this year, right?"

"I increasingly realise that I'm an unusually poor friend, but I honestly hadn't thought about it. What's-? I should ask him."

And now he's giving me the look everyone gives me. "Yeah you should."

"Are you going to college?"

"Ah. Are you going to obsess about this now?"

"I don't know? I know that I should have been putting effort into maintaining my relationships, but between reconstruction, the Corps and… Everything, I've let it slip. I shouldn't have done that, and this isn't something I can fix by doing a thing or two. I don't know. Obsessing over things is easier."

"Huh."

"So, are you?"

"No, I'm… Taking a year out. I don't really know what I want to do with my life, so I thought I'd stick with LexCorp for a year and see how it goes."

"Have you considered plumbing?"

He blinks. "No? Why?"

"It's regular, productive work. And if you're self-employed you can take an hour or two out here and there for.. personal projects."

He smiles, clearly surprised. "Okay, but why specifically?"

"Jeremy Clarkson. An automotive journalist from Yorkshire. He once said that he'd encourage his children to try plumbing rather than following in his footsteps because people will always need their pipes fixed whereas the demand for journalists is decreasing. In Britain at the time we had a bit of a shortage of qualified plumbers and started importing them from Poland, which was worth it for them because the shortage meant it was pretty well paid. I haven't checked, but with the increasing drive for people to go to college rather than technical schools I imagine the same is true in America as well."

"Huh."

"And… I honestly-. It's not really plumbing when I do it, but I do enjoy sorting out utilities. My ring lets me comprehend them in a way I couldn't without it."

"I guess I can trace leaks easier." He shakes his head. "I'd never really thought about a career as a plumber."

"Neither did I, until it was far too late."

"And I guess that would be useful on Themyscira, too."

"You'd probably need to import magic pumps. I think Diana knows some naiads?"

"I'll… Think about it. So, what was it you wanted to talk about?"

I take a sound muffling charm out of subspace and put it on the table between us.

"Should we take this someplace else?"

"I think we're alright. So, ah... So, a few days ago we had a visit from Daxam."

"Mom told me."

"And I need more information about what's going on, and I'm… Not great at investigations when I can't acquire data via my ring. So I'm bribing a local to explain things."

His eyes dip to my rings for a moment before coming back up again. "Ah." He looks a little embarrassed that that's where his mind went.

"Yes, I could compel them, but I don't like doing that sort of thing when…" Batman. "When I don't need to. And I might want something from them later, and they've got two young children…"

"No, I'm not trying to say you should, just… I know you did that to Batman…"

"I didn't see an alternative there, and we were under time pressure. Here, I do, and we're not." Hm. "As far as I know."

"Okay." He nods. "So what do you need?"

"I raised the issue of the Phantom Zone prisoners a while ago with Superman."

"Right, there's where Ak-Var came from."

"Most of the rest are more serious criminals, and some of them committed crimes against other planets. I want to hand two over for trial. If I do that, I get access to everything Commodore Amalak knows about Krypton, all the kryptonian relics he's acquired… And he gives up his vendetta against all surviving kryptonians. And with that data, I hope that I can learn how to undo the work of the retrovirus Kem-El used on the Daxamites, which will cause Ken Lee to turn canary."

"Didn't you already interrogate him?"

"We were just trying to get the Daxamites out of here. Didn't do a thorough interrogation. And I suspect that he might have lied to me, given that he had no real reason to cooperate."

"Okay. So, what did the criminals do?"

"Ordered the-. He's accused of ordering the deaths of about five billion people."

"'Ordered' as in..?"

"'Point the guns down and fire'."

"And… You want my support when you try to persuade Superman to go for it?"

"Yes."

"Okay."

"Okay?"

"Yeah. I mean, the survivors deserve the chance to punish him." He look puzzled by my surprise. "What, did you think you'd need to do something for me before I'd agree?"

"I suppose not. Ah, thank you. I'll… Go and see what Kon's up to now."

He smiles. "Say 'hi' for me."
 
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I'd never really thought about a career as a plumber."

"Neither did I, until it was far too late."

The philosophy degree is not paying much.

the committed crimes against
"them committed"
data, I hopethat I can learn
"hope that"
"And… You want my support when you try to persuade Superman to go for it?"

"Yes."

"Okay."

"Okay?"

"Yeah. I mean, the survivors deserve the chance to punish him
This isn't exactly a moral dilemma.
 
This isn't exactly a moral dilemma.

There's a line in Transformers: Earthspark (a surprisingly good show, at least in its first season, for all being aimed at younger kiddos) where Megatron (who in this continuity is post-war, disillusioned with how it went, and pretty much allied with the Autobots, all the other Decepticons hate this) makes an observation about Optimus Prime, that I think can also really easily, and accurately, be applied to Superman.

"[He] sees the good in everyone... Whether or not it's actually there."
 
1st August 2013
12:24 GMT -5


"Oh." Mitchell looks up in surprise. "Ah, what brings you here?"

I look around the café, which is located a convenient distance from the LexCorp office where Mitchell is for some reason interning. Plenty of witnesses, none of them showing any particular interest.
Despite him having a fairly famous face. I bet it's the kind of 'not showing interest' that involves sidelong glances, whispered comments and attempts to conceal recording cellphones. Most of which OL can discourage.

And I checked.

"
Ah, well, I'd like to say that I'm checking up on a friend to see how his job's going-."
Sadly, thee days, he rarely bothers with the simplicity of 'just stopping by to see how you're doing'.

"But you need me for something."

"Ah… Sort of."

"Did you go and see Conner first?" I wince. "I think you kinda should."
...Yes, it has been a time since we last saw him. Onscreen or off.

"Yeah. I-." I'm repeating what I did at university, where I completely fell out of contact with everyone I knew in secondary school and college. I've got a better excuse this time, but I don't think I've had an actual conversation with him for three months. The occasional 'hey' when we see each other when we're both doing other things… "You're right, but-."
To be fair, some people tend to get into that mindset where you set aside high school friendships in favour of 'adult' friendships. Especially if you're at a different place to said high school friends.

Yes, I do need to talk to someone else in the city, but I can leap from one side of the galaxy to the other in a thought.

"Yeah. you're right."
A quick fast-travel hop to visit Conner isn't exactly going to blow a time-critical mission condition.

"You know he starts college this year, right?"

"I increasingly realise that I'm an unusually poor friend, but I honestly hadn't thought about it. What's-? I should ask him."
Yes you should, OL. For someone you once was willing to kill for, you've really set the Team aside these days.

And now he's giving me the look everyone gives me. "Yeah you should."

"Are you going to college?"

"Ah. Are you going to obsess about this now?"
Not OL's main focus right now, but I can't imagine he won't try to stack the deck a little if you let him.

"I don't know? I know that I should have been putting effort into maintaining my relationships, but between reconstruction, the Corps and… Everything, I've let it slip. I shouldn't have done that, and this isn't something I can fix by doing a thing or two. I don't know. Obsessing over things is easier."
As long as you do try to recognise you fouled up and attempt to fix it...

"Huh."

"So, are you?"

"No, I'm… Taking a year out. I don't really know what I want to do with my life, so I thought I'd stick with LexCorps for a year and see how it goes."
As long as he doesn't start drinking Lex's kool-aid. (And you know Lex has the expensive stuff, too!) 😏

"Have you considered plumbing?"

He blinks. "No? Why?"
...Interesting idea. Go on, explain.

"It's regular, productive work. And if you're self-employed you can take an hour or two out here and there for.. personal projects."

He smiles, clearly surprised. "Okay, but why specifically?"
Huh, that's actually a good thought.

"Jeremy Clarkson. An automotive journalist from Yorkshire. He once said that he'd encourage his children to try plumbing rather than following in his footsteps because people will always need their pipes fixed whereas the demand for journalists is decreasing. In Britain at the time we had a bit of a shortage of qualified plumbers and started importing them from Poland, which was worth it for them because the shortage meant it was pretty well paid. I haven't checked, but with the increasing drive for people to go to college rather than technical schools I imagine the same is true in America as well."
Drawback of people thinking STEM jobs are more ;prestigious', I suppose. Doesn't matter how many rocket scientists, brain surgeons or nuclear physicists you have if there's no-one to take the bins out or unclog the drains. 😄

"Huh."

"And… I honestly-. It's not really plumbing when I do it, but I do enjoy sorting out utilities. My ring lets me comprehend them in a way I couldn't without it."
Reminds me of playing SimCity 2000 back in the day. There's something pleasing about routing power, water and waste lines for maximum efficiency.

"I guess I can trace leaks easier." He shakes his head. "I'd never really thought about a career as a plumber."

"Neither did I, until it was far too late."
On the other hand, we likely wouldn't have this story if the author had... 😏

"And I guess that would be useful on Themyscira, too."

"You'd probably need to import magic pumps. I think Diana knows some naiads?"
Or commit to running underground pipes very carefully. Or some manner of dolmen gate with a purifying effect?

"I'll… Think about it. So, what was it you wanted to talk about?"

I take a sound muffling charm out of subspace and out it on the table between us.
Ah, the time for privacy has come.

"Should we take this someplace else?"

"I think we're alright. So, ah... So, a few days ago we had a visit from Daxam."
Went well enough, all considering. No-one died, after all.

"Mom told me."

"And I need more information about what's going on, and I'm… Not great at investigations when I can't acquire data via my ring. So I'm bribing a local to explain things."
That is something he kind of needs to work on.

His eyes dip to my rings for a moment before coming back up again. "Ah." He looks a little embarrassed that that's where his mind went.

"Yes, I could compel them, but I don't like doing that sort of thing when…" Batman. "When I don't need to. And I might want something from them later, and they've got two young children…"
Walking the tricky line between heroic and sinister-sounding.

"No, I'm not trying to say you should, just… I know you did that to Batman…"

"I didn't see an alternative there, and we were under time pressure. Here, I do, and we're not." Hm. "As far as I know."
Please don't start rushing this stuff. You really need to be patient, OL.

"Okay." He nods. "So what do you need?"

"I raised the issue of the Phantom Zone prisoners a while ago with Superman."

"Right, there's where Ak-Var came from."
I wonder what the public's been making of him? He's not quite running around in long-johns with a cape, is he? So I figure there's curiosity about this mysterious 'Super-guy' if people have been spotting him...

"Most of the rest are more serious criminals, and some of the committed crimes against other planets. I want to hand two over for trial. If I do that, I get access to everything Commodore Amalak knows about Krypton, all the kryptonian relics he's acquired… And he gives up his vendetta against all surviving kryptonians. And with that data, I hope that I can learn how to undo the work of the retrovirus Kem-El used on the Daxamites, which will cause Ken Lee to turn canary."
Again, after you get someone else to look over the data first? Can't trust Amalak that easily, can you?

"Didn't you already interrogate him?"

"We were just trying to get the Daxamites out of here. Didn't do a thorough interrogation. And I suspect that he might have lied to me, given that he had no real reason to cooperate."
There is that. Improving his attitude towards you goes a long way in this sort of diplomatic information gathering.

"Okay. So, what did the criminals do?"

"Ordered the-. He's accused of ordering the deaths of about five billion people."
Though I'm sure the evidence will confirm that in short order.

"'Ordered' as in..?"

"'Point the guns down and fire'."
Wonder if that's an actual quote from the shipboard recordings of the moment...

"And… You want my support when you try to persuade Superman to go for it?"

"Yes."
Boy, OL isn't leaving anything to chance, is he?

"Okay."

"Okay?"

"Yeah. I mean, the survivors deserve the chance to punish him." He look puzzled by my surprise. "What, did you think you'd need to do something for me before I'd agree?"
Remember, a lot of his current knowledge is influenced by Themysciran laws. and that much death on one man's hands?

"I suppose not. Ah, thank you. I'll… Go and see what Kon's up to now."

He smiles. "Say 'hi' for me."
Since even brothers can grow apart once they leave the nest.

So, going to see Conner for the first time in a while. It'll be interesting to see where he is with his life at this stage. Which will almost certainly let us see M'Gann again, I expect. Hopefully they're in a better position than their canon counterparts from the between season interregnum. Wouldn't be hard to beat that scenario, for cure.
 
Wasn't maintaining his relationships a major part of maintaining and grounding himself as an orange lantern in the beginning of the series?

So doesn't losing those connections lead to dangerous mindset. Even if he is enlightened now, he kind of needs other people to remind him when he's doing something a little crazy or a lot crazy..
 
"Yeah. I-." I'm repeating what I did at university, where I completely fell out of contact with everyone I knew in secondary school and college. I've got a better excuse this time, but I don't think I've had an actual conversation with him for three months. The occasional 'hey' when we see each other when we're both doing other things… "You're right, but-."
Someone has probably asked a question like this before, but do you plan stuff like this ahead of time, or did you look back at previous episodes and realise that he hadn't talked to his old friends on-page in months?

Also, just realised something from earlier…
"I-." I nod. "I do. And I don't mind people having a laugh about my alleged peccadilloes but I don't want people thinking that I'm a negligent father."
In that case, I demand more Mazikeen! He actually acknowledged that he might be some sort of father to her unlike with Princess, and yet so far as we know they haven't spoken in months either! Has he even back-paid his child maintenance? I suppose they probably wouldn't have it in her birthplace and time.
 
The philosophy degree is not paying much.
To be fair, I didn't expect it to.
"them committed"
"hope that"
Thank you, corrected.
This isn't exactly a moral dilemma.
Not for most people.
That should say 'LexCorp'.
Thank you, corrected.
Someone has probably asked a question like this before, but do you plan stuff like this ahead of time, or did you look back at previous episodes and realise that he hadn't talked to his old friends on-page in months?
I hadn't realised exactly how long it had been, but I did realise that this was happening.
In that case, I demand more Mazikeen! He actually acknowledged that he might be some sort of father to her unlike with Princess, and yet so far as we know they haven't spoken in months either! Has he even back-paid his child maintenance? I suppose they probably wouldn't have it in her birthplace and time.
I'll see what I can do.
 
So we've got an update with one wonder twin, with another tomorrow.

Wonder if Kon is going to be mad he's been so out of touch
 
Wasn't maintaining his relationships a major part of maintaining and grounding himself as an orange lantern in the beginning of the series?

So doesn't losing those connections lead to dangerous mindset. Even if he is enlightened now, he kind of needs other people to remind him when he's doing something a little crazy or a lot crazy..

To be fair, the Team aren't his only relationships, but yes, I can see what you mean. Letting his relationships with them decay is a bad idea, especially since they were the first friends he made when he arrived in this world.
 
To be fair, the Team aren't his only relationships, but yes, I can see what you mean. Letting his relationships with them decay is a bad idea, especially since they were the first friends he made when he arrived in this world.
It's to be expected though. He's not bound to Earth and has a responsibility to the OLC. So long as he still meets up with his old friends when he pops back on Earth, things should be fine.
 
"Hey Paul! What's up?!"

[...]

She blinks, eyes wide. "The guy who built the Doomsday was a criminal?!"

[...]

"We can't have Kryptonian military officers just doing whatever they like!" She affects a stern expression. "And just what did he do on Timaron!?"

[...]

"He's a bad guy! Kill him!"

have we ever gotten an explanation as to why this Kara is just so cartoonish and annoying? to be honest i've been reading her as having some kind of intellectual disability, because its the only reason i can imagine anyone tolerating her with any amount of patience.
 
It's to be expected though. He's not bound to Earth and has a responsibility to the OLC. So long as he still meets up with his old friends when he pops back on Earth, things should be fine.

Yeah, but it kind of defeats the purpose of being a Young Justice SI fic if the titular team keeps being demoted to the background. Sure, I get that they would have little reason to get involved with the space stuff or the war with The Reach, but if you showed a recent chapter from this story to a Young Justice fan and didn't tell them what it was, would they even be able to tell what show this is supposed to take place in?
 
have we ever gotten an explanation as to why this Kara is just so cartoonish and annoying? to be honest i've been reading her as having some kind of intellectual disability, because its the only reason i can imagine anyone tolerating her with any amount of patience.
There is an implication that she was created for a sinister purpose, but our only proof of that is Hatter revealing to Detective Chimp that she feels incomplete.
 

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