With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[AngelicKnight.]

So a thought occurred to me when reading this update, is there a Misa in the paragon timeline?

Like there been a few timeline specific characters before, some from another universe like sunset shimmer and golden age supergirl, some from the setting who the other timeline never met like I think Misa is meant to be (like she's from death note but this version of her is a DC native?).

I'm just curious, is the paragon path Misa ok?

 

[Smartkittykhan]

So a thought occurred to me when reading this update, is there a Misa in the paragon timeline?

Like there been a few timeline specific characters before, some from another universe like sunset shimmer and golden age supergirl, some from the setting who the other timeline never met like I think Misa is meant to be (like she's from death note but this version of her is a DC native?).

I'm just curious, is the paragon path Misa ok?

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Given that she and Sunset are explicitly crossover characters I'm inclined to believe their presence is exclusive to the renegade timeline.

Also, I thought Misa's parents were murdered which is why she came to Grayven in the first place. Am I misremembering something?

 

[Mr Zoat]

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Thank you, corrected.

So the reason the g-gnomes were successful was that they could rapidly place an illusion/mind control/whatever on the target before they could suicide?

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The thing about mind reading is that you have to know it's happening to actively resist it. If g-gnomes aren't rushed, they can be very subtle.

Since there's a decent chance we'll be seeing a lot of Persuader/Elise this episode (assuming the planetary exploration has something funny happen and doesn't get offscreened), I feel the need to ask what her backstory is, because I scarcely remember at all. I think she got given future-Persuader's axe after Grayven killed him, but that's all.

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Elise? Persuader 1 came back in time to kill Superman and failed. He decided that the best way to succeed on his second attempt was to recruit his own ancestors, give them copies of his axe, train them up and then rush Superman. Elise thought that getting an axe was pretty neat, and liked meeting members of her distance family, but when she realised that the target was Superman she opened a portal to Challenger Mountain and told the Renegade everything. He beat the snuffing out of the rest, investigated her circumstances and offered her a pupillage.

I don't recall anything about her father. Is he the sort of person who would take an interest in planetary surveying? Seems like there is a significant risk of 'blank stare' response.

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He'd probably be somewhat interested? Humans going into space is usually considered pretty interesting. He's trying to improve his relationship with a daughter who he hadn't seen (prior to the Renegade's intervention) for about a decade, so he'd definitely show an interest.

Given that she and Sunset are explicitly crossover characters I'm inclined to believe their presence is exclusive to the renegade timeline.

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They're present because of what happened to Ambush Bug's bugs. Since they didn't randomly discharge in the main timeline, no Sunset and no Misa.

Also, I thought Misa's parents were murdered which is why she came to Grayven in the first place. Am I misremembering something?

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No, that's correct.

 

[boo600]

And clearly the only proper response to that is going on a killing spree.
Our reminder that this particular individual was a nutcase before Grayven handed her the power of a god. And a death scythe. And his explicit approval to go around killing people she thought it would be a good idea to kill.
Honestly it is a wonder they haven't had problems before now.

I don't recall anything about her father. Is he the sort of person who would take an interest in planetary surveying? Seems like there is a significant risk of 'blank stare' response.

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I mean. Reach spies, there to mindwipe and slowly genocide worlds. She's saving planets, by killing inarguably evil monsters. I'm not sure that 'killing spree' is a fair statement to make, particularly since she A) has trustworthy telepaths look them over, and B) is one of Grayven's retainers - Grayven may not be the Illustres of the OLC, but he is still effectively at war with the Reach, simply because they're going to nom Earth like the political version of a tide of alien locusts.

This is not a spree murdering, this is the disposal of threats to all life on a number of worlds, which would normally be preceded by decades of slavery that grind down the mind of the slave race before they're essentially slaughtered for religious reasons in an eternal jihad against all other life that makes the Fremen from Dune look tame.

 

[Ardy]

You don't have to read it. I won't be offended. I've already said that I'm not going back to Worm, though I admit it being all anyone seems to want to talk about at the moment is making me reconsider.

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You said you'd never bring up Worm again, and you brought up Worm again.

 

[Duke Long]

slaughtered for religious reasons in an eternal jihad against all other life that makes the Fremen from Dune look tame.

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Come to think of it, is their extermination of aliens caused by their ideology requiring antipathy towards other sophont species, or is it just a consequence of it requiring expansionism and probably valuing the reachian species? In this story they tend to seem pretty chill, but we haven't seen enough of their culture to be sure. And the dominators sometimes seem pretty chill too, but their ideology certainly does require antipathy.

 

[Huttj509]

I don't recall anything about her father. Is he the sort of person who would take an interest in planetary surveying? Seems like there is a significant risk of 'blank stare' response.

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Active engagement is not the purpose. The issue is that she's not comfortable with how much she keeps her activities hidden from her father, and she doesn't feel she can go into more detail about "I killed a bunch of people, but they had it coming."

So the planetary habitat expansion stuff is something she can actively talk about with more detail than "work went well."

 

[CrazyNoVa]

There's nuance to it.

Scion was basically on an emotional rollercoaster during the apocalypse, feeling the first joy and pleasure he had in the decades since coming to Earth and losing Eden, then finding Eden's corpse and having that wound torn open, started to just vent all his rage, got into a massively frustrating fight with Khepri stubbornly refusing to lose, then once again having that emotional wound with Eden scrubbed with salt and lemon juice, and had it caped off with a moment of hope against hope that in all of that chaos somehow Eden was there and impossibly alive. Until he took a second look and it was just another fake.

Then he exploded(literally) and just stopped caring and Khepri shot him until he died.


It's a very different situation to having Yellow Paul show up while Scion is still in the middle of his depression and is the sort of thing that risks Scion leaning into his nature as an Entity rather than indulging in the emotions of human emulation.

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Okay, fair enough. But what I'm arguing here is that even when taking Scion's entity nature into account, the mere existence of Paul might still just be enough to avoid his meltdown in canon, both by the renewing of purpose that he was sorely lacking, and by the butterfly effect. Especially once Scion realizes that the non-Wildbow universes might hold the solution to the problem that he and the other entities have been seeking for so long: the heat death of the universe. And if that's not enough, then another chain of events that lead to Scion's defeat could theoretically still happen.

Also, if his partner could be resurrected, that might further help avoid Scion going crazy.

 

[Mr Zoat]

You said you'd never bring up Worm again, and you brought up Worm again.

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No, other people brought up Worm again. I consider myself somewhat obliged to respond to people discussing my story on my story thread.

 

[Ardy]

Also, if his partner could be resurrected, that might further help avoid Scion going crazy.

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It would force all intelligent life on Bet and countless other worlds into a fate worse than death, but he wouldn't go "crazy", yes.

 

[Zig]

I only watched series 1, but I can't think of any way that would work.

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It was a magical eclipse that messed with super powers and could be seen everywhere on Earth at the same time.

 

[CrazyNoVa]

It would force all intelligent life on Bet and countless other worlds into a fate worse than death, but he wouldn't go "crazy", yes.

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You're missing the point. What I'm trying to say here is that Scion might put his attention towards the greater multiverse, and get distracted by the idea that his former partner might get resurrected by some means or ways out there, and then he might get obsessed enough to deviate from his original fate, which might give the people of Earth-Bet a better chance at survival. He would become obsessed with finding a way to resurrect his partner, and that might throw things out of whack just enough for the butterfly effect to make a difference.