With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Interesting theory about that multiversal Paul fight.

After seeing Tangseid and now this whole multiversal traveling thing I can see something like that happening.

Kori may only wield the blue ring if she gets one, since dual wielding two different colored power rings isn't exactly all that easy and it may lead to trouble in mastering either ring.

Paul may also be hesitant in making a Red Ring due to the extreme rage they provoke in their wielders. He can at least control orange rings to stop their wielders.

One of the reasons Zoat is writing all these alternates is to show us what the SI would have done under different circumstances, and Peter is to show us how he would have been like if he lacked a ring charge and used his money to improve the world.

The reason Peter didn't seek out Static to give his ring a charge could be because he doesn't remember him and that he can charge rings.

The Static show seemed to be set in the JL animated universe, and the versions lose knowledge of the specific universe they are in.

Even if that wasn't the case, Peter was sent several years before Static began so he could have forgotten about him and the ring charging thing, and that's assuming he watched Static in the first place.

He may also not want a fully charged ring due to the risks.

Paul told Knight that anyone can learn magic, yes, but that could mean that anyone from Earth 16 could do it, and not say a giant eldritch thing like Zion.

Paul also said something that Constantine said, and that's not exactly a guarantee.

Dr Mist said that a Martian may have trouble adapting to Earth's magic system.

Paul also couldn't learn to do magic until he got a soul.

So no, claiming that someone can't figure out how to do magic doesn't really go against the magic system Zoat set up in his story.

There are many, many universes where in order to use magic you typically have to be born with it, and no amount of training is going to let you use it if you weren't born with it.

And there are universe, like Paul's original, where magic doesn't exist. Zion and his kind could have come from one such universe.

There actually are some differences between MLP magic and Earth 16 magic, as I think I remember Sunset mentioning that magic from her world is more 'orderly' because of the whole friendship magic thing. So there are some differences.

It's possible that LP just couldn't stand the civilization on Earth Bet and decided to fix it in his own way.

Other universes may be prettier, but they probably don't require fixing.

 

27.2 has Number Man estimate that in 14 years, the max time for Scion going off according to Dinahs precog, theyd have anywhere between 53% to 2% of the available forces they had when Jack set him off so considered it happening when it did a best case scenario.

 

That still leads to the problem that unless LP is massively more powerful than the combined justice league, he is doing much more harm than good all because he is jumping into it without taking more than 5 seconds to research what the problem actually is.

Ah, thank you rani.

 

We are focusing on Scion.

But there's another problem, the Third Entity.

That thing is still around the local cluster somewhere, and if LP starts throwing around unknown high energy reactions, it very well might come and investigate.

 

Oh, Paul would outright refuse to get her a Red Ring. I was imagining Atrocitus getting involved at some point........

ALL HAIL ERIS!

 

Does anyone have anything to say about the really off characterization of LP? Killing when he doesn't need to, jumping into a situation without doing research, etc? Does anyone have a counterpoint or does this stand?

 

How is he supposed to figure out that there is a apocalypse coming to this world by a giant eldritch alien when that most likely isn't in any database?

And no, somehow being able to see where the powers come from doesn't indicate that there is a eldritch monster trying to destroy everything.

It may indicate that there is a monster, but not that it is trying to kill them

We didn't really get much characterization on him aside from the fact that he can be brutal, but fair, when punishing criminals.

We know he can still love people even if he's more reserved that the other Paul's.

That's about it.

Atrocitus may appear around year 6, at leas that's what it says on the TV Tropes trivia page

 

To be fair Paul's biggest problem has always been his Pride.

So it's pretty easy to imagine how, with a Power Ring and nothing around to check him, that Pride could lead to the giant God Complex we see with the Lord Protector.

 

I can understand that in part, but there is just a lack of forethought I think shown in LP's approach here. Near as everyone he's encountered thus far, he's a brand new player in the game, and his introduction is cold brutal murder, yes of people that might have had it coming, but even his own study shows significant gaps in information and judgment. He knows very little about anyone he's killed, he has a basic understanding of the power structures in place but not enough to recognize key players without ring reference.

There doesn't seem to have been a build up, a strategic or tactical plan set in motion, no moves to get local allies or resources. Very much out of character for all the other SI's we've seen thus far.

As Paragon mentioned during his first trip to to see the Controllers, "Start as you mean to go on"

LP is starting his visit to this earth with a spree killing, and by every indication intends to go on.

Despite having access to the data Paragon gave on weapons (he calls out the cold gun) which likely had less lethal options, or even more basic lantern attacks that don't use bloody ANTI MATTER in a civilian area.

I've got no issue with the character killing targets quickly and effectively when called for...but few of these targets are actually a threat to him....he could have dropped them on a preconstructed robot operated prison on the moon a touch of effort and foresight. Study of their powers would have been something that Grayven or OL would have jumped on as part of the tech revolution they depend on.

Unless there is an objective in killing quickly and cleanly beyond the obvious, I think LP is a lot closer to his statement of 'delusions of utility' comment then I think we're giving credit for.

 

"I had been under the impression that superhumans were prohibited from holding positions of authority in the Parahuman Response Team. Does that just apply to directors?"

I've reread that passage and while it can be taken that way Mr Zoat could have meant that only Directors can't be parahumans but employees under the director could be?

 

Not quite. Sint have time to quote it like the last bit since its late at night but iirc Abaddon was heading in a different direction.

Spoiler: Ward

The real problem is the Simurgh wants to salvage the Cycle for another Entity to pick up, while only killing Scion without totally wiping the Shards leads to them individually trying to abort the Cycle and blow the planet to reform eventually.

Without tearing open portals thatll probably be delayed a lot.

 

He's bit arrogant at worst, he doesn't exactly have a god complex.

He may not want to waste resources on criminals that have broken the law multiple times.

He did come from a place that lacked those initially and it probably influenced his mentality.

 

In the thundercats universe, LP spelled out that he was brutal because of necessity. He didn't have a fast way to charge his power ring and his encampment did not have anywhere near the resources it needed. But now, he is being brutal even when he could capture and hand off to prisons.

 

Prisons that they've escaped from.

He may also not consider it important to hand off multiple offenders to prison

 

My point exactly, HE IS NO LONGER IN THAT PLACE, HE NOW HAS RESOURCES TO SPARE.

Also, no one has escaped the birdcage. His only concern would be getting the legal system to accept them being imprisoned in the birdcage. He could probably shove them in there himself and they would have no way to get out in any case.

 

just 'the air' without "

HE MAY NOT WANT TO SPARE THEM FOR REPEAT OFFENDERS.

 

Yes. My question has been answered. Thank you

 

I admit it, I "Squelled" with joy when Kori put on the Blue Ring. It suits her well.

Blue is such a lovely color.

 

Maybe this episode will be about her getting used to the ring.

 

Never change, Koriand'r.

 

It doesn't fit in with his previously established characterization. If his previous rational was being brutal because he had to be, but is now being brutal even when he doesnt have to be, it implies that he was lying about being brutal only because he had to be.

 

No, not really.

Yes he was brutal because he had to be, but he hasn't exactly become some sadistic bastard that enjoys pain and suffering.

He probably doesn't consider it important enough to be nice and helpful to people that are harming civilization, like criminals tend to do.

He's also being brutal to the worst offenders right now and not every single criminal that crosses his path.

 

And he has years and possibly decades of practice being a necessary dictator handing out draconian justice, and it working. Of course when he enters another world and finds it to be even more of a mess - technologically more advanced, but a bigger mess nonetheless - he isn't going to look too hard for alternatives.

Many, however, have repeatedly escaped being sentenced to the Birdcage. Sometimes multiple times, like Hookwolf.

Colin's smart; that was probably pro forma with no actual intention of succeeding.

 

That would mean that he never improved his kingdom, and that is at been stuck at a communist dictatorship with draconian laws for decades. That would be an example of him utterly failing to actually uplift the society.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

So at the point things stand, LP is either evil or incompetent?

 

Who could have guessed?

Oh, right.

 

My bet's on the Life Entity. Week=7=Colors of the Emotional Spectrum, 3 on Earth right now, we haven't seen any sign of red lanterns in Paragon but everyone else is somewhat accounted for, so assembling a White Ring the 'traditional' way may be in the cards.

No, it wouldn't. If he massively improved their tech level and standard of living, it wouldn't necessarily reduce the harshness of the government. Sinestro was equally draconian on Korugar at a very high level of technology.

 

Both would be my guess.

After all, he contracted with the Ancients Spirits of Evil, and a key word in that Title is Evil.