With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Someone actually showed me some panels from older comics, and I think there is enough hints that I could see it if it was handled better. It had the basis of a good story to tell about coming out after that time.

It should not have been forced out by Teen Jean in that way.

 

Start from 5:20, I can’t seem to get the Timestamp to work.

 

Well I get that it's a cover or what not. But I'm struggling to accept that it would either be in Nightcrawler's character, or that Marvel would allow it.

I'm just saying....given how long Bobby has been around, you were going to get backlash. I can also tell you, as a long time gay reader, that we just roll our eyes over this shit. Like "yeah yeah, I'll be waiting for the retcon."

Sure, they could have told a good story. But why bother? Pandering! Except we dont' fall for that shit.

Hell, I think there would be a good story of Jean wanting a gay bestie so much, that she did it accidently. I say accidently, because her doing it on purpose would be a really bad look, and you'd have the whole "gays convertin' muh children!" bullshit I get accused of at least once a month.

 

The video literally says the writer managed to slip it past Marvel.

Spoiler: screenshots

As for whether that’s in character for Nightcrawler... *shrugs*

Also Maxx, you shouldn’t be so judgemental, you know. The Pope is all for LGBT rights.

 

Yes, I did catch the part of the video where it was slipped past. But a little eyeball kick is not a true character moment. It IS how fanfiction gets started though.

Okay, so I've attempted to comment on this 5 times. But when I read it back, its simply far too angry, and has nothing to do with Zoat's chapter so....I'm not gonna bother.

Just understand that my feelings on the matter would take ALL the Red light available.

 

It doesn't, though. I mean, has she asked? They haven't known each other that long. Probably if this hadn't come up, he'd contact Stark (or somebody else) about designing something later and get it as a gift. He just got it started sooner because it could defuse a fight and make a point to do that now.

 

My first experiance with Iceman, was Aaron/Sean (stupid look alikes) Ashmore's version. So for me, Iceman was always bi after the whole Rogue/Pyro thing in the movies.

It seems like Paul never cnosidered the forcefield at first. Gambit was a dick, so Paul realized it was an easy fix. He said hey gambit want to come see if we can do this for her. If gambit said no, he would have gone anyway. He brought gambit because he was present when he realized it, and it will also get Gambit off his back.

If gambit lies and says paul had no involvement, he's evil. If he tell's the honest truth, it makes both look like good people (Xmen are heroes after all, so maybe we shouldn't be looking for the worst reasons first)

And Maxx, you are getting so worked up you need to take a step back. This is not the place for an arguement on anything besides the story. LGBTQ rights, while important, was not part of the chapter and has been brought in by the commenters.

 

I literally said nothing about it. I specifically stated that I wasn't going to.

So, you know, cram it.

Seriously, don't be trying to scold me on something I didn't do.

 

No. There hasn't been a single rant. I haven't even been remotely agitated save for the one thing where I said I wasn't going to get into it.

You're just doing that internet/youtube thing where you're trying to make me angry.

I posted twice, because I read Zoat's post, commented, and the read all the comments, and then commented on them.

So if you're so concerned, hows about you drop it and leave me alone? Because I know what you're trying to do, and I"m not going to play.

You can sit in the void with Vaermina if you wanna keep going.

Speaking of the New Sun....

Didn't they try to pass him off as potentially another Summers brother for a while there? I have a memory of it. But it could be wrong.

 

The reason it is at the top is because the cake had just exploded before the scene started. And PaulX (the Paul with the Xavier School) decided to take the blame for the exploding cake (must have used to much baking soda) and that talk to Gambit privately instead of telling everyone that Gambit had in fact exploited the cake in a fit of jealousy, being a narc an getting Gambit in trouble.

This isn't a Maxx Rant™. I vaguely remember one of those, and this milquetoast talk we are having now, aint it.

 

No. I told you, I'm not playing your game. Stop, or I block you.

He's trying to make me angry, but I'm not going for it.

Hell, I haven't even BEEN angry, nor have I wanted to become so. Hence why I stated I wasn't going to comment earlier, with me and the other fellow moving on to a PM.

Edit: I just thought of something.

Didn't Rogue lose her Ms. Marvel powers a few years back? Then "Permanently" absorb Sunfire's?

I doubt that stuck, but it just popped in my head.

That, and I went searching, and I don't think anyone has ever going with trying to get Rogue something like a skintight forcefield.

I imagine if there was an episode though, there would be a "Moral" about solving your own problems and not relying upon shortcuts. Even though said shortcut would be using a device to overcome what amounts to a serious medical condition.

 

She gained control of her powers mid 00s. Then she absorbed Wonder Man and lost control in Uncanny Avengers around the Avenge the Earth arc. She bad his powers and complete self absorbes as he is an energy being.

Some time after that she managed to get rid of him, not sure on the how. Currently she uses a modified control collar as a bracelet I believe to have sexy times with her husbans.

 

I've always really wanted to like Simon, as I find the whole "Ionic" energy thing rather interesting. Especially between him and Atlas/Goliath.

But its like, they either don't use him, or put him in stupid shit, or just make him look horrible.

 

Well they had time traveling and Sinister showing up for the brain stuff...I THINK that during the same period there was some of Sinister's early plotting of the Summers and Gray Family Trees. There's other examples of time travel stories around that era screwing around with Sinister and Apocalypse making plans generations out. A similar story had the members of Apocalypse's Clan folks show up with a powerset that was a LOT like Blink's (complete with colour and sound effect), back in the ye olden days where the clan folk had to call out their master from his usual naps to deal with Vampire related issues.

As for being yet another Summers, that might line up with The End story line bit Stsword mentioned. I mean...generic energy powers DO sort of line up with the Summers Family, and they keep finding more of them everywhere, in every time line. Heck New Sun sounds a lot like X-Man's origin story.

 

You know what I always love?

Like Mr. Sinister is always after that Summers DNA right?

And Cable and X-man are so monstrously powerful because they have Jean Gray's powers.

 

Always saw it as a Synergy sort of explanation.

Jean's powerset is great, but always needed an external overcharge (big flaming bird) to reach it's potential.

Scotts powers was nothing But power. Indeed, too much power for him to regulate without the glasses (yeah I know the brain damage story, but thats mostly highlighting what his uncontrolled abilities do reach)

It's sort of chocolate in your peanutbutter mixing. You have the scope of Jean's telepathic and TK abilities, but their output is increased by the extra energy from Scott's power source.

 

I mean maybe. I've just always gotten a laugh out of it.

Sinister: "I've got to get Cyclops' DNA!"

Jean Gray: *Literally ripping planets in half with her mind*

Sinister: "Red beams! He shoots red beams! Think of the potential!

 

Yes, that's always how I understood it, that the Summers DNA was the nitrous oxide that made the Grey psychic powers go from 0 to 60 at race car speeds.

The same way that Hyperstorm, Rachel Summers and Franklin Richard's (edited son's nigh omnipotent powers come from him tapping hyperspace like his grandmother the Invisible Woman.

 

I'm...pretty sure Franklin is Sue's son, not grandson.

 

Honestly, I understood it that way as well, the only problem I had was that Mr. Sinister only seemed to be focusing his eugenics master plan on only one couple or mutant combination. If I had seen him pursuing different options, combinations or couples I could have taken him more seriously, even been behind his plan. Because Mutants eugenics are really interesting.

However, when I met Gabriel Summers I thought Marvel had created a character that represented what Mr. Sinister was trying to do, without his involvement, so all his plans and schemes, his scientific pursuit, didn't have an actual meaning when "nature" had already accomplished it.

 

Hyperstorm is Franklin Richards and Rachel Summers' son, so grandson of Sue Storm/Reed Richards and Scott Summers/Jean Grey.

 

I completely misread that sentence then. It's like 3:20 am, I apologize. I'm kinda zonked out.

 

So this is all Mr. Zoats's fault for not posting the new chapter 2 hours ago?
...I can agree to that.

 

I just remembered something.

The Supersoldier Serum enhances all biological processes- Captain America even got a photographic memory from the treatment, because his brain was rewired for efficiency along with his body.

Mutant powers are biological processes, therefore a mutant who got the supersoldier serum ought to find their powers enhanced. There's even a case where that was implied to be the case- Captain America of Mutant X. When he freaked out he basically conquered the USA all by himself. It took a Goblyn Force possessed Beyonder to take him out.

Oh and there's a variation of the supersoldier serum that might be running around a Marvel universe that I imagine Paul would appreciate- The Colonel America formula. It doesn't enhance the body but the mind, it made Trenton Craft strong enough to decimate a city like a nuclear bomb or repair his own body.

To be fair, I failed to include the word son in that sentence like I meant to. So while I imagine if you were more awake you probably would have gotten it from context, but if I were more awake I'd have typed it correctly in the first place.

 

From Zoat we emerge, and to Zoat we return.

All Roads lead to Zoat.

 

Amen.

 

IIRC there was something along those lines in X-Men Evolution. In that universe Cap and Logan saved a very young Magneto from a ...National Socialist... camp. Later on it's shown that rather then a bomb or rocket dunking Cap in the ocean, he was put on ice because the Serum Didn't work correctly. In that same episode an elderly Magneto uses a duplicate of it on himself, giving himself some level of rejuvenation, with no side effects.

Later on there is a version of 'secondary mutations' that are triggered in sabertooth and mystique that might be based on Mutant Growth Hormone, or possibly some development of this instead. Don't remember the details of their upgrades too much, other then 'look more like the movie versions'

 

Today's chapter is up on the story only thread.

 

But you do have a power ring.

If this is just his way of speaking then it's fine, but if it isn't then it should be 'did you do'

Hey, at least his name makes sense, seeing as he wears a war machine, while Gambits name could make people think that he has some kind of luck manipulation powers or is a highly tactical thinker, instead of a guy that can make things blow up.

Smart, we all know what happened the last time a version of Paul tried to use something he didn't know much about.