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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Duke Long

    Duke Long Glomerulus

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    ‘the heir to’?
    ‘support’?
    ‘wreaks’?
    ‘poring’

    That was one of my favourite bits of War of the Worlds.

    I’m finally caught up.
     
  2. Lothlo

    Lothlo Not too sore, are you?

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    It's a shame that in 9 years, a reader could have become a DC writer, and created a background character called Paul who is an Orange Lanter, just for a panel. Just a mention of the name and his appearence. With that, we would have made Paul a canon character. Guest appearance of the Imp who was looking to see if Paul was a canon character or not in all DC media, appearing on a chaper telling Paragorn that he found him on a new 52 Green Lantern comic. Just the reaction of Paragorn would be ... superb
     
  3. inglorius

    inglorius Getting sticky.

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    Which timezone you live in?
     
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  4. Lord Ernest

    Lord Ernest At the End...

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    The Illustres was asking if "she married their (Constantine) you". Not any heir or anything of the like.
     
  5. Duke Long

    Duke Long Glomerulus

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    Oh right, I get it now. Thanks.
     
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  6. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    No, their you. John 666.
    No, wrecks. The broken metal bodies that were once transformers.
    Thank you, corrected.
     
  7. Windona

    Windona Beetle Queen of Crackshipping

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    Ooo, traditional superhero. That should be interesting, especially given that a lot of superheroes have different wheelhouses. And actually, I don't think a lot of Team members who stay Team members do a lot of traditional heroing on their own, do they?

    I was going to ask which calendar they use, since where I am it's September not August.
     
  8. Sojiko

    Sojiko Getting sticky.

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    Dammit! I really want the SI to interract with The Shade, and possibly discover his stowaway.

    Wow that is really not where I was expecting this to go. I'm pumped to read the upcoming arcs now!
     
  9. Bud-E

    Bud-E Stand up so I can push you down!

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    I'm pretty sure they've met before off-screen in the paragon timeline. And I don't think he would be able sense the fact that the Shade is being manipulated. I only think Renegade could because New Gods can sense souls and had a Motherbox on him which can practically perform magic itself.
     
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  10. Bramble Thorn

    Bramble Thorn Verified Silhouette

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    To finding out he's a New 52 comic background character?

    *Queues up Kirk 'Khaaaaaaaaaaan' clip.*
     
  11. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Shade helped Paragon with some monster Truggs brought and later had a talk with some alien woman with a connection to the Shadowlands.
     
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  12. jonasquinn

    jonasquinn I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Honestly I’m not really a fan of where all this is going, partly because being a utilitarian is a large part of who OL is and if he suddenly stops being one a lot of what he’s built kinda falls apart or at least becomes far less efficient

    But it’s largely that I’m still struggling to connect the two points of the JSI and why it’s effected OL this much, the main argument seems to be that the JSI are the endpoint of what OL’s utilitarianism would lead to but that’s just not true, it ignores any and all additional context and the League taking OL’s advice wouldn’t suddenly turn them into the JSI

    I can kind of understand that seeing an Alan that’s so jaded he’s willing to turn his own son into a living weapon making him more appreciative of conventional superheroes and acknowledge that it’s good that not all heroes are like him but that story also emphasises that we do need utilitarian people as well because without Commander Scott making that choice was the only thing that saved humanity
     
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  13. Prince Charon

    Prince Charon Just zis guy, you know?

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    I think it's not so much 'would lead to' as 'could lead to.' The fact that it is plausible, even likely, to get that result is what's giving him problems. I think.
     
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  14. Threadmarks: Uncomplicated Good Works (part 3)
    Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    29th November 2012
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    "Some were quite good, but others will not pass the censors."

    The Bat shrugs, then takes a sip of tea. I've shown him around my Bir Tawil home, he's made interested noises, and now it's time to talk.

    The League... Are more or less in favour of my efforts to make National Socialist Earth less National Socialist. But that doesn't extend to letting me use League resources to keep in touch. Which… Yes, the UN would probably blow their collective tops if they found out that the League were using their funds for something like that. For… Pretty understandable reasons, really.

    But it needs to happen, so I've moved Dr. Sivana's relay to Bir Tawil, a little way away from my home. My first attempt at cultural infiltration came in the form of cinema, because even things with no overt anti-National Socialist theme will include cultural assumptions that they don't share. I've been hoping that -with there not having really been external influences on their Earth for sixty years- their censors would be out of practice.

    Let's see what the damage was.

    "Oh? What was the problem?"

    "Oh, it is best not to dwell on the negative. Rather, we should focus on the successes, the things that our societies have in common."

    Oh, he obviously knows exactly how I feel about that.

    "Bat,-."

    "You want to have a brief honest talk about our actual objectives before we retreat into our familiar epistemologies." He nods. "And to find out whether or not I actually know what Overman and Overgirl are doing. Because you lack the confidence in your own intelligence to tease that information out over a period of time."

    "I'll have to do that anyway. It's not like I can trust anything you say."

    "That's a little harsh. Particularly-" He points his right forefinger at my face. "-given that you can see inside my soul."

    "There are ways to block that."

    "It's going to be a while before magic becomes acceptable in the Reich. Almost as long as it will take for us to persuade you to give us access to your knowledge of the subject."

    "Your Atlantis not sharing?"

    "Our Atlanteans were bio-engineered. We did check." He looks away, an odd expression on his lips. "Some in the Ministry of Culture were hopeful that an… Acceptably 'Aryan' magic might be discovered."

    "Aryan in style, or as a discrete thing? Because there probably were forms of magic used by whatever people you're referring to as 'Aryan' that weren't used by, say, Africans."

    "I wasn't involved in that discussion. But, reading the minutes to try and understand it was like trying to explain the doctrine of the Trinity to a pagan."

    "Overgirl told you the Arianism joke, did she?"

    "She mentioned the philosophy. My point is that I have no way to prevent you seeing into my soul."

    "Still, I'd like to know."

    "Anyone who knows him knows that Overman is not happy with things. And anyone who watches his public interviews-. The live ones, I mean. If he wants to reform things… Well." He shrugs. "He may try, and he may succeed or fail. That is the nature of Darwinism."

    "And how do you feel about it?"

    "Ah, I doubt that I will live long enough to see any major changes. It will be the work of a generation at least. If he wants to standardise the rules for the black reservations, it makes no difference to me. If he wants to change the censorship laws, it makes no difference to me. If he wants to change history lessons in schools, it makes no difference to me. I won't like it, because I'm old and set in my ways, but I recognise that. I doubt that he will change Greater Germany enough to make much difference."

    "No?"

    "No. He and I are from the same generation. We share an underlying sense of what is normal. I don't believe that he'll do anything too extreme, which is why I am not going to try to acquire kryptonite while I am here."

    "I'm not sure whether to be relieved or disappointed."

    "Now you know how I feel, even without staring into my soul. So, the films."

    "Yes. What was the problem?"

    "We liked Sky High. The idea of a central training centre for empowered superhumans has been raised on numerous occasions, but the various institutions of state have never been able to agree on how to make it work. There were clear ideas of hereditary power and responsibility yoked to the good of the state as a whole, and the overt pro-eugenics message played very well. Particularly at the end, with how the superhumans with limited abilities were still able to provide useful 'hero support' while the innately superior hero saved the day."

    I… I think that was the exact opposite of-. Different culture. Of course he's going to see things differently.

    "The black child wasn't a problem?"

    "He was inoffensive. I suppose there is the question of how we treat negro sup-er…" He trails off, looking both amused and confused. "It is a little difficult to know how to refer to them. 'Supernegro'? The Incredibles will not pass the censors due to its freezing negro being too prominent, but the one in Sky High is fine."

    "And.. the theme of not underestimating people who were dismissed by the authorities as useless?"

    "No, no. If someone surpasses what the authorities believe are their limitations…" He frowns. "What was the line in Gattaca? 'That merely means that we did not measure their potential properly'. The guinea pig girl, for example. How often would being able to turn into a guinea pig realistically be useful? But nonetheless, she kept her wits about her and used it in the one time in her life that it was. A person does not need superpowers to be a good citizen. I do not have superpowers." He leans forward slightly, smiling. "But I am not going to try and arm wrestle Overman. There are things I cannot do, and will never be able to do."



    "So that's approved?"

    "No, it will have to go through the censors, but I cannot imagine what other complaints they could have."

    I sigh inwardly.

    "And the others?"

    "Wall-E was an instructive demonstration of the dangers of lassitude and complacency, as well as decadence and dependence on others."

    "Again, no problem with the black characters?"

    "National Socialists don't just oppress negros. The negros are just the only ones who survived. There isn't a problem with including negros with other types of degenerate."

    "And you don't think there might be a problem with the evil AI who was lying to everyone about the state of Earth?"

    "Why would there be?" He grins. "Hah, my little joke. No, that is not a problem because as an AI it is inherently alien. The portrayal of the captain might have been a problem, but amongst a group of degenerates he took the most effort into becoming more than he was. He sought purpose, and in the end found it in working to restore his people's ancestral homeland."

    "Toy Story?"

    "A bit disturbing, but essentially harmless."

    "A Bug's Life?"

    "A parasitical culture being defeated by a collective effort led by a valiant hero."

    "The Phantom Menace?"

    "No. Not because the censors would block it, it just isn't very good." He looks mildly pained. "And the racial allegory was rather unsubtle, don't you think?"
     
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  15. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Did not know what to make of this.

    You don't wanna be compared to Nazis.

    You're a Nazi.

    A genuine WWII era Nazi.

    You deserve much, much harsher.

    I'm hoping he's proven wrong.

    It may not even work, seeing as it's a different universe.

    ...huh...
     
  16. Bloodalchemy

    Bloodalchemy Versed in the lewd.

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    Im trying to imagine the head space you put yourself in to reframe all of those movies from such a different viewpoint. I also wonder if you did any others but didn't like them as much as these.
     
  17. Lothlo

    Lothlo Not too sore, are you?

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    Thank the Source we don't have the original idea that George Lucas had, where Jar Jar was secretly a Lord of the Sith (Possibly Sidious master), but was scrapped due to the reaction people had of the character. Imagine getting to the second/third movie where they find out that the 'gungan' who until that point was the butt end of jokes, was really the mastermind behind everything and awaiting to take revenge on the good guys and government.

    Earth socialist censor : what?
     
  18. Handlewithcare

    Handlewithcare Versed in the lewd.

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    When the literal Nazi goes "Jar Iar Binks was a bit too much" you, uh, might want to revisit some things.
     
  19. Khornelius

    Khornelius Overlord of the Underworld

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    Really? He’s a secondary character with a limited role in movie. I mean when he’s on screen he’s certainly doing his best but against the Robot his powers are basically ineffective at worst and a stalking tactic at best. He’s even better in the sequel.

    What!?! I’m sorry I don’t follow this at all. Is this a thing or is The Bat just seeing something that’s not intended to be there?
    His opinion of Star Wars mildly hurts.
     
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  20. thebishop8

    thebishop8 Umm, ackchyually...

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    Jar Jar actually isn't in the Earth 16 version of The Phantom Menace:


     
  21. Grimnar

    Grimnar Versed in the lewd.

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    What a fucking Shit take.


    I second this. I have no idea what allegory zoat was trying to imply the Bat saw there.

    EDIT: Wait, was that the take? Slutty ruling Jews or something?
     
  22. Ciber

    Ciber Know what you're doing yet?

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    Continuity error detected! Exterminate! Exterminate! Exterminate!
     
  23. PepeTheFrog

    PepeTheFrog Not too sore, are you?

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    Isn't there loads of memes about a Bug's Life's central theme being communism? Something something workers seize the means of production?
     
  24. TheLunarwolf

    TheLunarwolf Making the rounds.

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    fixed that rather grievous error for you.
     
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  25. PepeTheFrog

    PepeTheFrog Not too sore, are you?

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    Could it be that he thinks Chancellor Palpatine (a guy with what could be argued has a hooked nose) secretly manipulating an empire from the inside is a not to subtle racial allegory for Jewish people? I've got nothing else.
     
  26. Chojin Patriarch

    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker

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    Ah, Herr Fleidermaus. Visiting, I see. Clearly on business, since they're discussing... I assume films. No doubt the native Earth 10 Cinema is very, very bland. I'm picturing it as like American cinema in the fifties: Lots of simple dramas with largely inoffensive characters...

    I have no doubt there's cliques of 'underground' cinema creators trying to break out of the norm by being transgressive. The legality of that is probably up in the air.

    I'm sure some can be... Edited to tone down whatever they object to. With a Power Ring, it'd be easy...

    Yeah, not the best of compliments, hearing about the things a literal Nazi enjoyed. :oops:

    ...Because of course the Goddamn Nazi Batman has as good an intelligence network as the Goddamn Batgod.

    If you're anything like Batman, you might be able to fake your own desire networks.

    ...Mammon while be skating to work before that happens. :rolleyes:

    You mean 'used by ancient white people we like', don't you?

    Went over your head, eh? No shame in not being proficient in everything.

    Well, let's take that as read and move on, shall we?

    Yeah, kind of hard to manage what he says in off-the-cuff comments, hmm?

    Well, that's a very accommodating way to look at it. And, to be fair, it's probably a view shared by others...

    Not that local Kryptonite would work as well as you think it might. Different wavelengths and all that. For all you know, the local green Kryptonite works like blue sunlight on Overman.

    At least he won't go getting in Overman's way? The question is how many of his comrades might...

    It was an entertaining movie. Wonder if the characters were similar to their portrayal in our universe or not. I mean, the lead's father is pretty much a Superman-alike, minus the flight...

    Probably tolerable as an 'accepting his place in society' analogy... :rolleyes:

    Well... Frozone is pretty much Mr Incredible's best friend (and best man at his wedding!) :eek: I suppose that level of friendliness between white and not-white is too much for them...

    ...Not the worst takeaway from the movie, I guess? :confused:

    Expect them to order certain scenes cut or shortened, I bet. With illegal 'uncut' copies becoming a black market item. :p

    ...Okay, care to explain that one? :oops: ...Outside of 'Incredibles', I haven't seen any Pixar stuff...

    ...Just as long as they aren't depicted as being equals to whites Aryans, huh? :rolleyes:

    ...He's not wrong? Which fills me with disgust, for some reason... :oops:

    After all, there's no characters who can't be read as white, is there?

    ...Wow, did OL just toss the Disney/Pixar back catalogue at them or something? :D

    What do you have against Micheal Bay, huh? :p Too American? What about the original Trilogy, then? Or is the anti-imperial theme too unsubtle?

    Well, that whole discussion was... :confused: Uncomfortable. Like talking with that one family member at a reunion that has the.. concerning opinions that everyone else avoids them for, and you're only talking to them to to be polite... Thankfully, this won't be a recurring thing, I hope. Still, good to see not all of his colleagues would stand in Overman's way to achieve reforms...
     
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  27. john doe 777

    john doe 777 Know what you're doing yet?

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    yeah im confused as well
     
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    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    Possibly. But also potentially the droids/ other slave races as black people
     
  29. Zig

    Zig Not too sore, are you?

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    Or he could be talking about Watto
     
  30. Doccer

    Doccer I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    No idea what the joke is. Yes I clicked the link.
     
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