With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

That depends on perspective doesn’t?
Both parties have to maintain a certain level of Respect for the other to function. If it’s just slavery, death, and dishonesty all around then it all falls apart.
If Teal’c has valid reasons/grievance’s then it can be said he did the best he could.
How far Paul wants to push the party lines is up to him but being Cold while being polite is still available.
Or just pushing buttons and pointing out how he Abandoned his family with his lack of foresight.

 

The funny thing is they actually aren't.

Egeria just held back the majority of her knowledge when she birthed them to keep them from going the way of the Goa'uld.

 

’generation’?

 

Will Mammon ever meet an Ascended Ancient Force Ghost? That would be a conversation.

 

They're allied with the Tok'ra. The Tok'ra are the same species. So he already knows they're not trying to genocide the entire species. Although he might argue that the Goa'uld and Tok'ra are separate races of the same species and they're trying to genocide the Goa'uld race.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

I don't think he knows that they're allied with the Tok'ra.

 

He at least knows that they've heard of them and are concealing it. And it's a logical assumption that they don't want to kill the Tok'ra.

 

Wouldn't the logical assumption be that Teal'c mentioned the Tok'ra during a debriefing?

 

They never said this in the show, but I always figured the Gou'ald were another screwed up Ancient experiment as an attempt to deal with the plague and attempt to make the hosts immortal. No evidence though.

 

The Alterans would contest this characterization.

 

They are free to do so in person.

 

Oh, that is hilarious. This is SG-1, they are both smarter and much dumber than you'll ever expect. And they are 100% on the "Gould are bad, m'kay?" Train. Get ready to pretend to be in a coma for a few hours at least.

 

I mean, what did you expect would happen?

That they'd just stick your supposed slave master back into your body after he left just because you told them to.

Now I can't help but imagine what happens next.

Paul: Wait! Wait! Wait! I can expla-OW! WHY DID YOU PUNCH ME!?

Jack: Your startled me!

 

Humans are technically the Alterans heirs, so they probably have a higher claim to it.

That's because that train is practically always on schedule.

 

So no disguising or hiding the ring at all. Guess that answers that.

Also, how did they not notice the symbiot was glowing transparent and orange?

Descendants not heirs, and recently too. O'neill and Shephard are only eight generations removed from an Ancient.

 

It is explained in the Living Gods rpg book, it's a rather rare thing that you could tell if one was a queen during their incubation/growth period easily, and technically from birth since it's a genetic thing. It's also a relatively rare thing in the first place, though larval goauld can sense the difference shortly after birth, but other than a goa'uld getting in the tank with them, they wouldn't be able to tell.

However, queens grow larger than the rest of the species and it becomes apparent to those who pay attention and can point it out...

Queens are both a potential boon and threat to the System Lords since they have potential for boosting their forces, but you need to deal with the potential loyalty of any offspring there, and Ra had segregated the Queens from the rest so that he could dole out symbiotes "at random" to the system lords as a means of control...though there were a few that gained power in their own way or who had deceived others about their status.

The thing with the children there is an adaptation option, if the Goa'uld was bred from a queen that had been hosted in the species (even a few generations back) they have an instinctive knowledge about how to take the host, otherwise, as with the feral/primitive/wild Goa'uld encountered, there is a large chance of the attempting "blending' ending in death for both parties. It's one of the reasons why Goa'uld rarely jump into new species.

 

What is Paul going for here?

 

Well Jack said that Mammon's body was his supposed slave, and Paul tried to prove him wrong, probably by pretending to wake up from the Goa'uld possession.

It did not go as planned.

 

My guess would be the "My host is a mindless clone" stratagem.

 

Yes, sitting a distance away and staring daggers isn't confrontational at all, Teal'c. For a former First, you're being surprisingly undiplomatic right now, assumed not-enemy or not.

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Heh. Paulmon meeting aggression with aggression. Well, passive-aggression, anyway.

...That is a very good point. He turned kind of quick after meeting SG-1, so his rebellion was either very spur of the moment, or it had been building for a long time. Which taints all of his interactions with his fellow jaffa...

Note that he doesn't answer any of Paulmon's other questions...

Keeping in mind that jaffa not under a System lord's control is an implicit threat, at least in the eyes of the Goa'uld...

...Wait, is Teal'c basically the jaffa equivalent of an atheist? Or at least the popular stereotype of a shortsightedly militant one.

And to be fair, it'd be easy for those who drank the kool-aid to believe that, given the augmentations the symbiote gives them.

But seriously, how much did he plan any of this rebellion out?

And good luck getting Queens who would agree to that duty. Because they are not idiots, even without hosts.

Admittedly, there are plenty of names he could pick. Some of which might be decidedly unfriendly.

...Huh, that was quick. Did she...

...Huh, she actually did look it up.

Let me guess, she wanted to win the sort-of debate about this?

So, absurdly vague, permissive and open-ended. About what I expected, really.

...Let's not get into that sort of thing, shall we?

And I expect there were cleverly-hidden clauses that would allow Ra to subvert, punish or simply dismiss an uppity underling with little difficulty.

And that's an amusing angle to take. Did the SGC just assume all the Goa'uld kept their servants as slaves outright, based on Ra and his interaction with Abydos?

I hope he at least kept the glow to a minimum there. Wonder what the team thinks of that display...

Boy, is his face going to be red.

Wow, he is really committing to the whole 'Goa'uld' act.

Yeah, that's got to be surprising to them. A System Lord's underling 'willingly' disconnecting from their host, especially under such hostile circumstances?

So, making the point that the 'slave' is more or maybe less dependent on the Goa'uld than they thought, or... <sees 'mindless clone' suggestion.> Huh, that could be a plan. Honestly, I wonder if such a thing might work for other Goa'uld. They'd probably prefer a host with a conscious mind and memories to supplement their own, but it'd be a more humane method, especially if the clone is ethically flash-grown as blank slates by Asgardians or something.

What are they expecting, a berserker rampage?

Well, time for Paulmon to sit up and play 'confused but willing partner'...

...Or we can go with the comic overreaction and see how far they're willing to play this out.

What's the bet he ends up in their infirmary with all the usual life-support tubes shoved in him, while they haul the Goa'uld Construct lantern off to poke with needles so they can work out why it's glowing orange? Because that is probably exactly what they'd do, I suspect. Meaning Paulmon will have to play the 'oddly powerful magic symbiote' card or reveal that no, it's not a live goa'uld and he's completely human. Either way, Hilarity will ensue, no doubt...

 

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He perhaps didn't think this through.
Or somehow believed the 'nothing of the host survives' propaganda somehow.

At this point he needs the snake to start floating and talking, or he needs to start lying his ass off, say he's a custom designed clone grown to have the same personality as the gould and frankly it's irritating existing without most of his memories.

edit: or? did he actually render his original body brain dead by accident? while accidentally transferring his consciousness into a construct?

 

Okay, this Stargate side story needs its own thread because this shit is goa'uld.

 

Teal'c was never a diplomat.

First Prime is basically the leader of an army, not a politician.

I'm guessing it's been building for a long time.

What with his history with Cronus, and seeing Apophis being nothing more than a power hungry lunatic, along with other Goa'uld.

If they threaten them then they may do it to survive.

It's not just Ra.

There's also Apophis, the Intel they got from Teal’c and their interactions with other Goa'uld.

If that's what he's trying to do then that's not a great selling point.

Why would they want to keep the scenario where people are dependant on sociopathic parasites to continue?

Goa'uld slave hosts are probably extremely traumatized, so a berserker rampage is an actual possibility.

 

Please provide a direct quote where ring is referenced on screen.

 

Paul’s… Mammon’s ring probably isn’t implanted. His outfit may have gloves, it may not. But can he attempt to protect his schizotech ring from curious humans while maintaining this new act?

 

Did you miss him creating matter?

 

How would that be different from every other government?

 

People can live without government help. Not easily, but it is possible.

There's also the fact that governments generally have many different people in them with actions and agendas that range from moral and benevolent to immoral and malevolent.

Goa'uld are mostly in the latter two categories.