Cosmos Quest (Naruto/Lupin III)

[Vindictus]

Gaara is Dante.

He probably kicked Shukaku's ass and turned him into a devi- Waitaminute.

Where did Gaara get that gun, Furiko?!

 

[nightblade]

[X] Whoa, the sooner the scary-chakra is dispersed and away from your hand and your friends, the better. Let it dissolve.

 

[FurikoMaru]

and this is not from touching it (which seems to be harmless?) and is canonically how Demon chakra is corrosive, but by touching it with our own chakra?

wow, I guess the Bijuu themselves are something completely diffrent in this world, considering how in canon Sakura got a sort of nasty burn looking thing from taking a glancing blow from one of Naruto's tails, which was then healed no fucking problem, but here a single bullet of Gaara's(or Shikaku's) chakra is potent enough to melt our hands, cripple Neji who explicitly didn't even touch it with his hands (he used his chakra to purge our own) and then kill us.

Chakra activated? seemed harmless to touch, but crippled us (and Neji) the moment our chakra touched it?

ok, we should either cosy up to Naruto, or avoid him like the fucking plague, because he's gotta be WAAAAAAAY more powerful in this verse.

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Dude, there's a slight distinction between getting a glancing blow from a human-contained chakra tail and trying to apply pressure to what is essentially a teeny-tiny Bijuudama that is half bijuu-chakra and half reincarnated-devil-chakra.

Gaara is Dante.

He probably kicked Shukaku's ass and turned him into a devi- Waitaminute.

Where did Gaara get that gun, Furiko?!

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[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMPU9xmRCf0[/embed]

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

Yup, called that one.

Gaara is Dante. He probably subjugated Shikaku like he would a devil arm. Now he uses its power like any other Devil Arm or special ability. He's making all sorts of stuff made of sand, that is totally just supreme mastery over the sand bijuu. It's in his bio. Makes all sorts of shit out of sand. The gun was made of out sand. This ain't hard to figure out.

If the Ichibi still has chakra of its own, it's probably Gaara's now. Or Gaara is just limited by his own Kage (or greater) class reserves. Which is practically no handicap at all. But that is what the sings in harmony means. The two of them are either one or so in-sync there's practically no difference.

Incidentally, if this is what Dante!Gaara feels, take note. Willpower supreme people, the kind that's so powerful that it doesn't even notice lesser obstacles. Don't ever try to out-stubborn him.



[X] Shit, shove it back in the seal, quick!

We can dispose of this remotely and safely if we really want to. Maybe find a way to use seals to make a stasis seal to preserve it. With some buffers to keep anyone from ever having to directly interact with that shit.

If it fails, no loss. Just treat it like you would any radioactive material.

....Wait, comic book logic says to down that shit like multi-vitamins because you're a protagonist.

Treat it like you would radioactive material and you DIDN'T have contractual immortality.

 

[iamnuff]

Dude, there's a slight distinction between getting a glancing blow from a human-contained chakra tail and trying to apply pressure to what is essentially a teeny-tiny Bijuudama that is half bijuu-chakra and half reincarnated-devil-chakra.

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you're right.

one of them is the unbridled corrosive power of the Kyuubi, being applied directly to your flesh, the other is part human, part bijuu (assuming Gaara was even drawing on Shikaku, which I assumed he wasn't) and part whatever-the-fuck-Dante-is-supposed-to-be, all bundled up into a little ball that noticeably didn't totally fucking vaporize the guy who it was shot at.

how dangerous could it really be?

I Don't know a lot about Dante, but I assume he can't kill people by having his "aura" touch them. assuming his devil powers interact with Chakra at all. (apparently they do)

I was expecting harmless Gaara chakra, or at worst, minor hand burns from merely touching the bullet.

since touching it did nothing then poking it with our chakra was probably fine too, right?


"Nope, you poke the thing and it kills you, and everyone around you"

totally out of left field.

whatever, doesn't matter, store it, show it to someone later when they have monitoring equipment set up.

assuming the act of sealing it again doesn't kill Menka or something.

Gaara is Dante. He probably subjugated Shikaku like he would a devil arm. Now he uses its power like any other Devil Arm or special ability. He's making all sorts of stuff made of sand, that is totally just supreme mastery over the sand bijuu. It's in his bio. Makes all sorts of shit out of sand. The gun was made of out sand. This ain't hard to figure out.

If the Ichibi still has chakra of its own, it's probably Gaara's now. Or Gaara is just limited by his own Kage (or greater) class reserves. Which is practically no handicap at all. But that is what the sings in harmony means. The two of them are either one or so in-sync there's practically no difference.

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huh, that actually makes sense.

he fucking ATE the Ichibi, gaara is using it's chakra, because it's chakra is now his chakra.


of course, that means ever trying to heal him, or doing anything that invoves your chakra touching his, will totally kill you, but whatever, right? small price to pay.


does this mean we can't genjutsu him without dying?

canonically Genjutsu works by using your own chakra in your opponents body to fool their senses, even if it never actually seems to work that way in the show itself.

Genjutsu seems to work more like hologram/D&D style illusions, rather than something that merely fools the senses of a single person. multiple people see the same things, people interact with illusions, some of them are even solid/partially real, which makes no sense if they are created by fooling the senses)

I can see illusion spells/hologram stuff becoming solid/real at a high enough level, but I really don't see how "I can make you think you saw/heard X" can become "lol, you are now physically restrained by an illusion"

 

[FurikoMaru]

you're right.

one of them is the unbridled corrosive power of the Kyuubi, being applied directly to your flesh, the other is part human, part bijuu (assuming Gaara was even drawing on Shikaku, which I assumed he wasn't) and part whatever-the-fuck-Dante-is-supposed-to-be, all bundled up into a little ball that noticeably didn't totally fucking vaporize the guy who it was shot at.

how dangerous could it really be?

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You're that guy in the horror movie who reads aloud from the book, aren't you. -_-

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

Also:

I demand we get every single person we can for Throne. First, Itachi investment, all around mental security, and a good attack.

But mostly because we and our character are clearly lacking in common sense and we need the rest of the gang to keep us moderately in check and tell us, "Wait that is a terrible idea-"



And stop bitching iamnuff. Seriously, chakra that sings in harmony with itself. What on earth did you THINK that meant?

Also, Dante CAN, in fact, use his aura to utterly fuck people up. So you're wrong on that count too. DMC3, Devil Trigger Explosive. Raw, enormous fuck you that with enough power slaughters everything in the area and bosses.

Or DMC2, if you somehow manage to unlock his desperation Devil Trigger at minimal health. He goes full power, is straight up invincible, slaughters everyone, and has a special attack that annihilates everything in a room at the cost of MORE devil trigger for as long as it's up. It's on the web somewhere, I never had the patience to make it happen.

So yeah. Furiko's not wrong in shouting you guys down for this.

EDIT: Here we go.

[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MnHLsEjvzs[/embed]
[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1kgrJGqE24[/embed]

Honestly looks kinda crappy, but DMC2 is still canon.

Although huh, maybe memory failed me and it's more a beam attack than area fuck-you.

Well, DMC3 still has cutscenes and battle mechanics of Dante just ripping off an aura explosion.

 

[iamnuff]

You're that guy in the horror movie who reads aloud from the book, aren't you. -_-

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wait, you mean the book the movie was based on? complaining about how much the producers fucked up?

or the guy IN the movie, who reads aloud form the book?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LaU1fpj_k0&t=0m4s (jesus christ, why was that clip so hard to find, ignore everything after the line)


heres the thing, I don't have the authors notes, I'm going to assume things work like they do in canon, until I spot the crossover element, then I am going to take my best guess at working out how both elements interact with each other.


all of my assumptions on how the settings work are based on that, so yeah, I will be referencing the source material.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitching for changing things, just if it seems like you DIDN'T change this thing, but it suddenly stood up and fucking slaughtered us with no warning, then obviously I'm going to stop and try to work out why.

If Dante-stuff is fucking with Ichibi chakra and making it more dangerous, (but only to chakra, and less dangerous to touch?) then sure, perfectly fine, but if Shikaku's chakra is just randomly 100X more potent, (yet somehow didn't kill Kiba?) then Its going to leave me scratching my head.

And stop bitching iamnuff. Seriously, chakra that sings in harmony with itself. What on earth did you THINK that meant?

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you just described everything from cthulhu to Kiler Bee.

really, "sings to itself" is vague enough to be absolutely worthless as a hint.

All it tells us that he has something linked to his chakra (which we already know) and both he and his chakra thing are both musically inclined, or not, it might be metaphorical chakra song bullshit that has nothing to do with actual music.

It could be anything from him and Dante holding a Duet in their shared headspace, to the mere sound of Shakaku existing within his seal.

also, the Dante stuff, is that the nature of his power (randomly kills stuff it touches) or an actual attack? because I'm pretty sure we can shoot lightning with our chakra (with a little training) but that doesn't mean anyone who tries to Jūken us is going to get zapped.

regardless, don't get it twisted, I'm not complain that this happened, I'm just saying that theres no way we could have expected this.

 

[uju32]

*snip*

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I'm guessing this was why we got the option to ask Gaara for the bullet; if we'd asked, it would not have been so...snappy.
And I finally understand why Temari is so on Gaara's case about his guns; it's as much for other people's protection as for Suna security, if he's shooting mini-bijuudamas around.
He really should be more careful about what he litters.

Still,we are going to need to reverse engineer the Hiraishin or some shit.
Gaante walking around with a Bijuu Arm means we need to work to keep up.
..............
Shit.
If we'd asked for permission, we could totally be reverse-engineering a Rasengan, couldn't we?
ARGGGHHH!!!!

 

[iamnuff]

I'm guessing this was why we got the option to ask Gaara for the bullet; if we'd asked, it would not have been so...snappy.
And I finally understand why Temari is so on Gaara's case about his guns; it's as much for other people's protection as for Suna security, if he's shooting mini-bijuudamas around.
He really should be more careful about what he litters.

Still,we are going to need to reverse engineer the Hiraishin or some shit.
Gaante walking around with a Bijuu Arm means we need to work to keep up.
..............
Shit.
If we'd asked for permission, we could totally be reverse-engineering a Rasengan, couldn't we?
ARGGGHHH!!!!

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pretty sure the "ask for the bullet" thing was about the one he pulled out of his torso.

 

[FurikoMaru]

wait, you mean the book the movie was based on? complaining about how much the producers fucked up?

or that guy from the movies "The mummy" who ACTUALLY read from the book?

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The latter. Also Evil Dead and basically any movie with an evil diary.

If Dantestuff is fucking with Ichibi chakra and making it more dangerous, (but only to chakra, and less dangerous to touch?) then sure, perfectly fine, but if Shikaku's chakra is just randomly 100X more potent, (yet somehow didn't kill Kiba?) then Its going to leave me scratching my head.

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Okay, intent matters for a lot when it comes to how power is used. Dante isn't the kind of guy to kill a kid, so the bullet didn't kill Kiba. It's a mass of energy, after all; it can take on whatever properties he needs it to, within reason.

If you remove the power from the thing or person directing it, the power is naturally going to revert to whatever it normally does in the absence of someone to control it. In order to reassert control, you need to either be the person who originally used the power or you have to be stronger than they are.

tl;dr

Ino: Ararara, no no no you don't!

Devil Chakra: Oho yes yes yes I do, Frenchie. Kneel before Zod!

..............
Shit.
If we'd asked for permission, we could totally be reverse-engineering a Rasengan, couldn't we?

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Probably, if you'd thought to ask permission for both bullets. But it wasn't one of the canon options 'cause, well, when you shoot someone the bullet isn't really yours anymore.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

you just described everything from cthulhu to Kiler Bee.

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And....? Chakra. Compared to a heavily pregnant mother with a newborn, in the text when we encountered it. Furiko practically shouted, "It's Shukaku, it's fucking Shukaku, take notice!" Ino says she feels like it would reach out and bite hers just for touching it. Furiko dropped plenty of hints to indicate why this is a bad idea.

Two as one, all that jazz. This was foreshadowed a long time ago.

Besides which, none of the people who mentioned are things you casually fuck with or even interact with. If it could be anything between an in-sync jink and a Great Old One, then quite clearly YOU SHOULD NOT CASUALLY FUCK WITH IT.

Although if it were like Cthulhu we'd be gibbering insane from hearing its chakra melody alone.

really, "sings to itself" is vague enough to be absolutely worthless as a hint.

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And yet I used it to predict exactly what happened.

also, the Dante stuff, is that the nature of his power (randomly kills stuff it touches) or an actually attack? because I'm pretty sure we can shoot lightning with out chakra (with a little training) but that doesn't mean anyone who tries to Jūken us is going to get zapped.

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Dante doesn't usually do externally manifested power that isn't a straight up attack. Closest is DMC3 where you Devil Triggered and if you opt to hold it, when you do you have an explosive release of power, as in a cutscene. And we never really see Dante interact with bog-standard humans....ever.

Although it was certainly enough of a warning to make Vergil and Arkham decide to back the fuck off when Dante was clearly nearing meltdown and DT.

[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtlxVPUAgSA[/embed]

This was the best thing about DMC3. Nearly everything you do in cutscenes, you can do in gameplay.

regardless, don't get it twisted, I'm not complain that this happened, I'm just saying that theres no way we could have expected this.

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I repeat: I predicted exactly what happened before it happened.

That excuse, not gonna fly.

 

[FurikoMaru]

This was the best thing about DMC3. Nearly everything you do in cutscenes, you can do in gameplay.

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Including surfing on the corpses of your enemies.

It's a shame the HD version ruins the twist by sticking that Arkham bonus fight in there too early, it's a pretty fun game to watch as well as play.

 

[Guile]

"Ino, I'm sorry. But in a minute there won't be an out there anymore." He clings to you desperately, like a little kid. "Please stay with me..."

And then Lupin AND Ino were stuck in some poor THIRD schmuck.


Also, I still think 'Hey Gai-sensei, what's this thing' would work okay.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

Including surfing on the corpses of your enemies.

It's a shame the HD version ruins the twist by sticking that Arkham bonus fight in there too early, it's a pretty fun game to watch as well as play.

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Dante is very entertaining to watch no matter how you cut it. Even if he is 90s corny in DMC3.

You know, if he really wanted to just waste a village, and he'd need to do is just...flex the aura a little. It's not like anything could really fight him off. Well, most things couldn't, and even that small group probably wouldn't stand up to a focused assault.


And Guile, by the time we finish asking it'd probably already be gone.

 

[uju32]

tl;dr
Ino: Ararara, no no no you don't!
Devil Chakra: Oho yes yes yes I do, Frenchie. Kneel before Zod!

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Probably, if you'd thought to ask permission for both bullets. But it wasn't one of the canon options 'cause, well, when you shoot someone the bullet isn't really yours anymore.

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Hmm.
We're gonna want to watch this one unravel from a distance, with chakra suppression seals in the vicinity.
And maybe ask for another bullet.

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To be fair to iamnuff, Menka picked it up.
So she may not have expected it to be instantly lethal.
Doesn't make it any less a boneheaded move; I was expecting a crippling myself.

 

[FurikoMaru]

"Ino, I'm sorry. But in a minute there won't be an out there anymore." He clings to you desperately, like a little kid. "Please stay with me..."

And then Lupin AND Ino were stuck in some poor THIRD schmuck.

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I vote for Hermione Granger. Too few Harry Potter fanfics replace her with someone else.

Or one of them could be Fred and the other George.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

To be fair to iamnuff, Menka picked it up.
So she may not have expected it to be instantly lethal.

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Yeah, but there's physically touching the stuff and then there's, "Let's use chakra to interact with it." Gaara's chakra clearly followed the trail of yummy weak chakra all the way into tenketsu.

Or just went, "You're fucking with ME? Well I'm gonna fuck right back on principle, because that's just who I am!" Which was also foreshadowed.

I know I'm hammering this home awfully hard, but it's like being told, "The big doberman is growling at you and baring its teeth. What do you do?" "I pet it!" If your hand gets bitten off, is it really a surprise?

Doesn't make it any less a boneheaded move; I was expecting a crippling myself.

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That Furiko isn't making us actually live with the consequences is a lot kinder than some GMs would be.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

I vote for Hermione Granger. Too few Harry Potter fanfics replace her with someone else.

Or one of them could be Fred and the other George.

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Sirius is clearly more in-character.

At least on the jackass quota, IIRC.

 

[FurikoMaru]

Sirius is clearly more in-character.

At least on the jackass quota, IIRC.

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Can't really see anime-Lupin being enough of a prick to subject someone he found annoying to a fucking werewolf.

Sounds right up manga-Lupin's alley, though.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

You know, while I don't REALLY care for us remaking the Rasengan (we can do better and the chakra requirements for A-Rank ninjutsu is hahahafuckno), if we'd gotten Hiraishin too it'd be pretty hilarious for people to start thinking we're the reincarnation of Minato.

We'd probably have to go missing-nin to get away from that hat. Steal it, great, wear it and be tied down, balls no.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

...Wait a second.

If Gaara's chakra is a blend of demon chakra and his own stuff, balanced and in harmony....

Does that make him a goddamn demonic sage ALWAYS in sage mode? Just swapping out nature chakra for demonic chakra.

So maybe nature chakra means not TECHNICALLY a sage, but in effect, pretty close? And gods help us all if he decides to toss in nature to the blend. Even if he does circumvent having to stay still with passive defenses or raw focus and willpower, or just, "You think nature chakra can take me over? That's cute. Get in here and do as your told or I'll eat you and find replacement chakra."

 

[FurikoMaru]

You know, while I don't REALLY care for us remaking the Rasengan (we can do better and the chakra requirements for A-Rank ninjutsu is hahahafuckno), if we'd gotten Hiraishin too it'd be pretty hilarious for people to start thinking we're the reincarnation of Minato.

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"That is one hell of a technique." You touch the kanji; the glow of the chakra hides it, but it's actually been etched into the wall a bit. "Does it work like Jyuuken, where you have to keep pulsing your chakra regularly to make an impact, or do you let it out in a constant stream and loop it on itself like in a seal?"

... what is he looking at me like that for? It's weirdly intense, whatever the reason is; it's kinda like that expression Dad gets from time to time, where it seems like he's looking through you.

"Ano... tottsan?" you ask, and something wiggles happily in the back of your mind. Great, now you've moved on to weirding yourself out.

Jiraiya seems to snap out of it. "Mm? Oh, it's nothing. And don't call me an old man, I'm still in the prime of life!"

Awful long time to be thinking about nothing, you think uneasily, but you let it slide.

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8)

 

[uju32]

*snip*
8)

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Oh, you terrible, awesome lady.
Well done.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Ah....

Man, this is gonna be really funny and keep being funny up until Jiraiya is actually convinced we're his student come back from the Shinigami's belly and we have to let him down.

 

[uju32]

You know, while I don't REALLY care for us remaking the Rasengan (we can do better and the chakra requirements for A-Rank ninjutsu is hahahafuckno), if we'd gotten Hiraishin too it'd be pretty hilarious for people to start thinking we're the reincarnation of Minato.
We'd probably have to go missing-nin to get away from that hat. Steal it, great, wear it and be tied down, balls no.

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Pfft.
Just be disreputable enough.
If Jiraiya managed to dodge it, so can we.
Just keep the other candidates alive; it's not as if there's a shortage of them.

...Wait a second.
If Gaara's chakra is a blend of demon chakra and his own stuff, balanced and in harmony....
Does that make him a goddamn demonic sage ALWAYS in sage mode? Just swapping out nature chakra for demonic chakra.
So maybe nature chakra means not TECHNICALLY a sage, but in effect, pretty close? And gods help us all if he decides to toss in nature to the blend. Even if he does circumvent having to stay still with passive defenses or raw focus and willpower, or just, "You think nature chakra can take me over? That's cute. Get in here and do as your told or I'll eat you and find replacement chakra."

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Demonic Sage Mode.
Shades of Time Braid, eh?
Speaking of Time Braid, I wonder if we could create a chakra storage seal in a memory palace; would solve our issues with power, assuming we didn't do it wrong and explode.
Probably an S-class technique though.


EDIT And I have to admit curiosity as to what a dual element Rasengan would look like.
Water and Wind, go.

 

[nightblade]

Wasn't Ino born before Minato died?

 

[FurikoMaru]

Pfft.
Just be disreputable enough.

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Ino: *nestles head drunkenly on Hinata's chest* E-CUPS FOREVER, LOLI NEVER!
Inoichi: ... dear, how well do you know Jiraiya-sama?

 

[FurikoMaru]

Wasn't Ino born before Minato died?

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Sealing is weird.

 

[nightblade]

Ino: *nestles head drunkenly on Hinata's chest* E-CUPS FOREVER, LOLI NEVER!
Inoichi: ... dear, how well do you know Jiraiya-sama?

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Poor Hinata. She must be really embarrassed in that situation.