Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

[Solace2117]

Well idea was blaming this on the Changelings so that's not really a valid concern.

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And when we fail to find it and she grows increasingly more angry and unstable because as time goes on.

It has a decent chance of extending our deadline. Celestia might not even be able to reach Lantern Mastery without the Mirror.

Also it gives a massive boost to our scrying actions and would let us sell our lantern 4 artifact for lots of bits.

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It also has a decent chance of blowing up in our face and releasing Daybreaker. There's absolutely no guarantee that it could extend our deadline. She has the resources of an entire kingdom. It may just spur her to dive in more. Sure Velvet has a better base knowledge of what to look for, but money and resources can go a long way.

 

[OurLadyOfWires]

Anyways, back to writing. Should have an update up soon.

 

[Shaper47]

Second I doubt that Daybreaker will ever agree. Why would she change Alicorn for some unicorn host? She will need to be dragged there kicking and screaming.

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Being able to act instead of being trapped.

Those without freedom seek it.

Besides she could always then Celestia's care for Velvet against her.

It also has a decent chance of blowing up in our face and releasing Daybreaker.

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I think your greatly overestimating the chance of that here.

If anything the lack of a level 7 lantern artifact on her mind will make the chance of Daybreaker coming our less not more.

There's absolutely no guarantee that it could extend our deadline.

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There is decent chance of it though especially for Mastery.

High level lore is not easy to find.

She has the resources of an entire kingdom. It may just spur her to dive in more. Sure Velvet has a better base knowledge of what to look for, but money and resources can go a long way.

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She's already dived in as much as possible.

I heavily doubt it's possible to spur her to drive further.

She's already going a hundred percent so she can't go any further.

Besides money and resources are useless if you don't know where to find what your looking for.

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

Daybreaker isn't even a possessing entity, she's just a millennia of pent-up anger and frustration subjected to intense pressure-cooking in the last year. This isn't like Nightmare Moon where a Worm was hijacking things, it's all Celestia here. Mare needs therapy. And a vacation.

Not for us to shatter what little trust she has left in pony institutions.

Finally, Lantern-Crazy and Daybreaker-Crazy are two distinct flavors of crazy; you can definitely set off one while trying to treat the other.

 

[DelightedOne]

Daybreaker isn't even a possessing entity, she's just a millennia of pent-up anger and frustration subjected to intense pressure-cooking in the last year. This isn't like Nightmare Moon where a Worm was hijacking things, it's all Celestia here. Mare needs therapy. And a vacation.

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Are we sure the Worm had full control? Cause Daybreaker spawning in Celestia's mind makes me think Alicorns can just snap under enough pressure.

Nightmare Moon could have been the same thing as Daybreaker, but the Worm made her too crazy to go her natural way. Ruthless defences maybe? Luna is the necessary evil to keep ponies safe, after all, it would not surprise me if that turned into hyper destructive genocide of other creatures and "traitors" to the Sisters(Daybreaker seems to crave being reunited with Luna).

I just think Nightmare Moon's "The night will last forever" could very well have been a plan to douse the lights and avoid more Worms coming. That could even explain why Luna was said to be tortured and not Nightmare Moon herself, the split personality took the front seat while Luna suffered the torture.

It could also explain her animosity towards Celestia. Her role is to nurture the lights while Luna defends them, if she was trying to keep the worms away that would have been the opposite of what she wanted to do.

She's already dived in as much as possible.

I heavily doubt it's possible to spur her to drive further.

She's already going a hundred percent so she can't go any further.

Money and resources are useless if you don't know where to find what your looking for.

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She might not have gone as far as she could. We did get an update dedicated to telling us Harmony decided to go for the lores for real(maybe even Climb using the Alicorns?) recently.

Which might have to do with all 3 Alicorns being introduced to the lores.

 

[Solace2117]

I think your greatly overestimating the chance of that here.

If anything the lack of a level 7 lantern artifact on her mind will make the chance of Daybreaker coming our less not more.

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And I think you're doing the opposite. The whole reason Daybreaker is an issue is because of Chrysalis pretending to be Luna and the changeling attack on Canterlot. It had nothing to do with her pursuit of lores. Her being attacked potentially in the same place while an unknown enemy steals the artifact, which we be trying to blame on changelings, is much more likely to set her off considering the parallels.

There is decent chance of it though especially for Mastery.

High level lore is not easy to find.

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Underestimating a determined Celestia seems unwise. Especially one that was just attcked by the "changelings" she hates.

She's already dived in as much as possible.

I heavily doubt it's possible to spur her to drive further.

She's already going a hundred percent so she can't go any further.

Besides money and resources are useless if you don't know where to find what your looking for.

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But it is certainly possible to anger her further. Right now she's keeping Daybreaker contained, but barely. This could easily drive her over the edge.

Really though I keep coming back to why? What do we get from this. A level 7 artifact and a decent amount of bits. Useful yes, but I doubt it's game breaking. What are the risks. Daybreaker getting free and taking control. Celestia tracing it back to Velvet and killing her. Getting bogged down with actions trying to hide the fact we have the artifact. Potentially alienating the Bureau. From a cost benefit basis it doesn't make sense. We won't get anywhere near the return on investment for the level of risk.
Velvet is good, but we don't act in a vacuum and underestimating others could easily bite us again. If the rewards were high enough you could maybe talk me into it, but frankly it's not worth the risk for what we would gain.

 

[Shaper47]

Daybreaker getting free and taking control.

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Low possibility at worst.

It's probably not even a real issues.

Celestia tracing it back to Velvet and killing her.

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Nonexistent risk.

Getting bogged down with actions trying to hide the fact we have the artifact.

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Not an issue.

I don't see any reason why it would take as much as a single ap.

Maybe a single follower ap at worst but no serious cost.

Potentially alienating the Bureau.

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How?

What do we get from this. A level 7 artifact and a decent amount of bits. Useful yes, but I doubt it's game breaking.

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Also a decent chance of extending our deadline along with a decent chance of helping Celestia's mental state and thus reducing the chances of Daybreaker breaking out.

And let's not underestimate the ability for Selene to scry with level 7 lantern at base. That's good enough to aim for the most valuable expeditions.

. It had nothing to do with her pursuit of lores. Her being attacked potentially in the same place while an unknown enemy steals the artifact, which we be trying to blame on changelings, is much more likely to set her off considering the parallels

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Lantern Lore however is explicitly hard on the mental state and we've just had a in character warning about the dangers of high level sources of lore.

The idea that a single victory against Celestia is enough to serious shatter her mental hold on Daybreaker is way too overly paranoid.

Sure it might have a small effect on Celestia, might, but still nothing compared to having her flaws and the truth mercilessly forced into her mind while she is shaped to be merciless.