Filtering out stories involving underage sex

[spilltebetet]

Is it possible to filter out stories that involve underage characters having sex? Maybe by introducing mandatory additional tags? I personally find the excuse of "it's just fiction" questionable and would rather not be suprised by a story suddenly including that.

 

[LurkingInTheDeceit]

We don't enforce the inclusion of any tags, and we're unlikely to ever start doing so.

 

[404-Not-Found]

I personally find the excuse of "it's just fiction" questionable

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>Questionable

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>Questionable Questing

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>Questionable Content

Sounds about right

 

[spilltebetet]

We don't enforce the inclusion of any tags, and we're unlikely to ever start doing so.

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Is there a reason why? I don't think that it's unreasonable for a user (me) to ask if they can have some tool to filter out stories somebody wrote involving graphic, explicit, sexual situations involving minors.

 

[Pure Unadulterated Ego]

Is there a reason why? I don't think that it's unreasonable for a user (me) to ask if they can have some tool to filter out stories somebody wrote involving graphic, explicit, sexual situations involving minors.

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Because it would inconvenience literally everyone and make a lot more work for the mods (rules without actual enforcement are useless) for... what? A handful of people that can't skip a sex scene in the handful of stories that don't make it obvious it'll have smut of the sort?

It doesn't make any sense.

And this is not even getting into the fact of the sheer amount of stories already posted that don't have this proposed tag.

 

[spilltebetet]

Because it would inconvenience literally everyone and make a lot more work for the mods (rules without actual enforcement are useless) for... what? A handful of people that can't skip a sex scene in the handful of stories that don't make it obvious it'll have smut of the sort?

It doesn't make any sense.

And this is not even getting into the fact of the sheer amount of stories already posted that don't have this proposed tag.

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It's a story tag on a website that already has tags, there would be 0 inconvenience for everyone else. Mod enforcement wouldn't be difficult either: Are the characters involved under 18->tag.

I can't just skip a sex scene, the knowlege about the author would still be in my mind. It's insane to me how relaxed people are about reading/writing stroke stories about child characters.

 

[Pure Unadulterated Ego]

It's a story tag on a website that already has tags, there would be 0 inconvenience for everyone else. Mod enforcement wouldn't be difficult either: Are the characters involved under 18->tag.

I can't just skip a sex scene, the knowlege about the author would still be in my mind. It's insane to me how relaxed people are about reading/writing stroke stories about child characters.

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Reminding and forcing everyone to put that one tag is an inconvenience. You have to be either delusional or lying through your teeth to think otherwise. Going back to the 16k~ NSFW story threads that already exist is quite a bit more than that. Mod enforcement means that they have to check it to some degree when there are a dozen other more important things to do.

If closing a thread or skipping a sex scene is too much for you, maybe QQ isn't the place where you should be reading your stories. You don't have to read any of it and quite a few of them tend to have some variation of 'loli' or 'shota' in the tags already to help you avoid them. Plenty of people post to Spacebattles or AO3.

Not gonna even argue that last one because I'd say you're the one getting a little too close to Rule 1.

 

[spilltebetet]

Reminding and forcing everyone to put that one tag is an inconvenience. You have to be either delusional or lying through your teeth to think otherwise. Going back to the 16k~ NSFW story threads that already exist is quite a bit more than that. Mod enforcement means that they have to check it to some degree when there are a dozen other more important things to do.

If closing a thread or skipping a sex scene is too much for you, maybe QQ isn't the place where you should be reading your stories. You don't have to read any of it and quite a few of them tend to have some variation of 'loli' or 'shota' in the tags already to help you avoid them. Plenty of people post to Spacebattles or AO3.

Not gonna even argue that last one because I'd say you're the one getting a little too close to Rule 1.

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1. Going back to the 16k~ NSFW story threads: Rules don't have to reach back in time, they could just be implemented moving forward.
2. Reminding and forcing everyone to put that one tag is an inconvenience: True, in the sense that it would take 10 seconds to do once. I'm not the admin, but also adding automation that adds the tag when creating a new story thread shouldn't be difficult
3. Variation of 'loli' or 'shota' in the tags already to help you avoid them: And if they were used consistently then there would be no issue.

 

[AsTheGlassMelts]

It would make it much easier to witch hunt people who tagged themselves if anyone wanted to serially harrass a bunch of authors they disagree with.

 

[Smuthunter]

1. Going back to the 16k~ NSFW story threads: Rules don't have to reach back in time, they could just be implemented moving forward.
2. Reminding and forcing everyone to put that one tag is an inconvenience: True, in the sense that it would take 10 seconds to do once. I'm not the admin, but also adding automation that adds the tag when creating a new story thread shouldn't be difficult
3. Variation of 'loli' or 'shota' in the tags already to help you avoid them: And if they were used consistently then there would be no issue.

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Even if this were done, currently there isn't an option available to automatically blacklist or ignore all threads with an undesired tag. I would know because I've asked before and gotten the answer that it's not feasible without paying for extra software development for the site. So this wouldn't do what you really want it to even if it were implemented.

 

[LurkingInTheDeceit]

Is there a reason why?

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There is.

In general, we don't enforce the inclusion of any tags for a few reasons:

• People use tags for different reasons, and most of those uses are valid.
• People have different priorities regarding which tags are important, and their preferences are also valid.
• The same tag might mean different things to different people, and those could all be valid.
• Unless we want to sacrifice everything but its use in search, tag space is limited.

All of this adds up to being a big subjective mess. We aren't especially interested in enforcing our personal interpretations of X or Y tag, or opinion of what is best to include, on QQ.

Any efforts to enforce the inclusion of specific tags would likely increase our workload exponentially (this is unavoidable; automation would just create many new problems), and it would piss off a fair chunk of our userbase (most notably, authors, which includes some of the staff). I just don't see it happening.

At the moment, some OPs, in principle, don't use any tags at all; that's fine too. We might do some work with tag consolidation in the future, but that has more to do with misspellings and synonyms in tags already included in a thread.

With regard to your specific special interest…

I can't just skip a sex scene, the knowlege about the author would still be in my mind. It's insane to me how relaxed people are about reading/writing stroke stories about child characters.

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I'm sorry it bothers you, but the staff don't see it that way. Fiction is fiction on QQ, and that's the long and short of it. If it's NSFW, it should be in NSFW, but, to QQ staff, 'loli'/'shota' isn't any more notable than 'rape', 'vore', 'unbirth', 'scat', or many other fetishes that some may find unpleasant. We aren't going to enforce tagging in any of those, or possible other, cases, for the reasons I laid out at the top.

If what people are allowed to write here drives you to distraction, I'd advise going somewhere that more shares your values, but that's up to you. Be mindful of Rule 1 if you stick around.

 

[Cherry Lover]

It's a story tag on a website that already has tags, there would be 0 inconvenience for everyone else. Mod enforcement wouldn't be difficult either: Are the characters involved under 18->tag.

I can't just skip a sex scene, the knowlege about the author would still be in my mind. It's insane to me how relaxed people are about reading/writing stroke stories about child characters.

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If this was enforced strictly and ages were determined logically, probably about 75% of the stories on the site would have this tag, because a hell of a lot of anime is set in high schools, which means you'd expect at least some of the characters to be underage. Further, a lot of anime very carefully does not mention the actual age of the characters, for precisely this reason, so how would we even know who to tag?

It's almost impossible to enforce in many cases, even for people who know the setting, and you'd be expecting moderators who may not know the settings to judge who is and who is not underage (and, there are plenty of cases where people will argue whether the characters are underage or not). Meanwhile, a significant proportion of characters most people would class as "lolis" are not, in fact, underage, so the tag wouldn't actually help you avoid characters that look (or even act) like children. It would be an utterly pointless rule that would cause a lot of work for mods for no benefit to basically anyone.

 

[Silvercrystal]

Meanwhile, a significant proportion of characters most people would class as "lolis" are not, in fact, underage, so the tag wouldn't actually help you avoid characters that look (or even act) like children. It would be an utterly pointless rule that would cause a lot of work for mods for no benefit to basically anyone.

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And to further muddy the waters what would we consider underage?
While laws vary around the world there are three general categories (in most places) by which consent to sexual encounters is considered

By Age: those within a narrow age range of each other may consent even if they would not be allowed to consent with a (full) adult. For instance in some places in Canada, USA, and around the world 2 12-15 year olds can consent to have sex with each other, but if they had sex with a 16 yo or older big trouble, while a 15 and a 17 would be a-ok.

By Authority: the minimum age where a non- adult can consent to have sex with an adult so long as that adult is not in a position of authority over the minor (so Teacher, Pastor, Policeman, Doctor, Boss or supervisor etc.) this age is usually between 14-17 most places that use it are 16 the lowest of a quick wiki search is 13.

Unrestricted: what most places would consider a consenting adult. … … so highest age was 21, most common is 18, lowest number was 13, and absolute lowest age was "puberty"!!!

QQ is for fictional porn. If you don't like porn (or have a religious aversion) I would suggest that you stick to the SFW sections… you know all six of the ones that don't say NSFW.
Which is shorthand for Not Suitable for Work, and it is called that because sex, drugs, murder, and violence are not things you should be looking at while on the clock or in polite settings.

 

[A Standup Philosopher]

And to further muddy the waters what would we consider underage?
While laws vary around the world there are three general categories (in most places) by which consent to sexual encounters is considered

By Age: those within a narrow age range of each other may consent even if they would not be allowed to consent with a (full) adult. For instance in some places in Canada, USA, and around the world 2 12-15 year olds can consent to have sex with each other, but if they had sex with a 16 yo or older big trouble, while a 15 and a 17 would be a-ok.

By Authority: the minimum age where a non- adult can consent to have sex with an adult so long as that adult is not in a position of authority over the minor (so Teacher, Pastor, Policeman, Doctor, Boss or supervisor etc.) this age is usually between 14-17 most places that use it are 16 the lowest of a quick wiki search is 13.

Unrestricted: what most places would consider a consenting adult. … … so highest age was 21, most common is 18, lowest number was 13, and absolute lowest age was "puberty"!!!

QQ is for fictional porn. If you don't like porn (or have a religious aversion) I would suggest that you stick to the SFW sections… you know all six of the ones that don't say NSFW.
Which is shorthand for Not Suitable for Work, and it is called that because sex, drugs, murder, and violence are not things you should be looking at while on the clock or in polite settings.

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Don't forget historical context as well. I'm working on a Yu-Gi-Oh/Red River crossover. That takes place in the 1300s BC. Having the characters be 16 or 17, as planned, will be breaking historical authenticity as it is.

 

[TheMidnightRook]

If this was enforced strictly and ages were determined logically, probably about 75% of the stories on the site would have this tag, because a hell of a lot of anime is set in high schools, which means you'd expect at least some of the characters to be underage.

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Not just anime, there's a lot of fanfics around here about Worm and Harry Potter after all

 

[1986ctcel]

How many times have people on QQ whined about all the icky Yaoi in Ao3 they have to put effort into filtering out?

If this was about NTR or Futa or Yaoi, I have the feeling a lot of people in this thread would be up in arms at the idea of being "forced" to read these "horrible disgusting kinks that are trash" simply because tagging was an "inconvenience"

And I say this as someone rolling their eyes at the OP's "concern" over the site's laxity towards fictional underage sex

 

[spilltebetet]

I think maybe I havn't expressed myself clearly:
I have an issue with reading a story involving characters under 18, where for thousands of words, nothing sexual happens and then suddenly the author decideds, without any warning that they need to write a sex scene that focuses on how young and immature and innocent the under 18 year old characters are. I dont have some puritanical POV, or religious concerns with smut. I have issues with smut that is clearly fantasizing about sex with minors.

 

[KaneLives]

I think maybe I havn't expressed myself clearly:
I have an issue with reading a story involving characters under 18, where for thousands of words, nothing sexual happens and then suddenly the author decideds, without any warning that they need to write a sex scene that focuses on how young and immature and innocent the under 18 year old characters are. I dont have some puritanical POV, or religious concerns with smut. I have issues with smut that is clearly fantasizing about sex with minors.

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Then to be perfectly blunt and clear, QQ is not the site for you. This site is for all those who like weird, wacky, kinky, or just things that are ok in words but not reality.
There are many kinks I dislike, but if I see them, I either skip that section, or just move on to a different story. Simple as that. I get that having a tag would be nice, but that requires people to use the tag system correctly in the first place. And sometimes the story didn't even have plans for stuff when the tags were added, and much later they now do. A lot of authors forget you can even edit tags in the first place. You could politely ask said authors to update tags, and some are nice enough to do so. But whining about it when the Mods have explained the reasons why it won't happen the way you want it a pointless endeavor.

 

[Vanbers]

I think maybe I havn't expressed myself clearly:
I have an issue with reading a story involving characters under 18, where for thousands of words, nothing sexual happens and then suddenly the author decideds, without any warning that they need to write a sex scene that focuses on how young and immature and innocent the under 18 year old characters are.

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You are reading stories on a website pretty much designed for smut stories, or at least HEAVILY features them.

If the protagonists or waifus in a story are under 18, the default assumption is still that sex will happen. Sometimes it doesn't, but the site is literally called QUESTIONABLE Questing. If anything, you should be telling people to tag when their story is going to stay SFW and the sex WON'T happen.

This may not be the story hosting site you're looking for.

 

[LurkingInTheDeceit]

I think maybe I havn't expressed myself clearly:

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I seem to be having the same problem, apparently, so this is my last attempt. I guess I can refer back to these answers when this comes up again, as it assuredly will.

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Many readers face the same problem you have.

A story will (after some time) suddenly have NTR, or side character POVs taking precedence, or the MC will resolve things in a manner that's too limp-wristed, or a random crossover element appears, or a character is bashed/flanderised, or some reveal about the worldbuilding misunderstands how biology/economics/society works, or a distracting bit of fanon shows up, or a romance will happen with the wrong person, or the wrong way, or a particular common cliche appears, or an unexpected loss/traumatic event occurs, or…

You get the picture, hopefully. Things happen as a story progresses, things that were not forecast from the start, things that some readers are unable to ignore and causes them to drop the fic entirely. It's unfortunate if they feel they wasted their time, or it causes them emotional distress, but forcing authors to include trigger warnings for everything that might cause such a thing is ludicrous.

You obviously aren't asking for everything to be tagged, just your specific pet peeve. We, the staff, aren't going to give special treatment for your case. There are many websites, including ones that carry smut, that do see a meaningful difference between a fictional child being killed, a fictional child being raped, and a fictional child taking up an annoying amount of word-space, but QQ does not. It's all just text to us.

People being able to write whatever fetishes they want, without interference from moderation, was literally what caused QQ to be created, and most of its growth. It's been almost 13 years now, and people have been writing underage characters getting it on this entire time. If you want a long-term relationship here, you're just going to have to accept QQ as it is.

 

[Amazon Climber]

How many times have people on QQ whined about all the icky Yaoi in Ao3 they have to put effort into filtering out?

If this was about NTR or Futa or Yaoi, I have the feeling a lot of people in this thread would be up in arms at the idea of being "forced" to read these "horrible disgusting kinks that are trash" simply because tagging was an "inconvenience"

And I say this as someone rolling their eyes at the OP's "concern" over the site's laxity towards fictional underage sex

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If that's the case, where's their thread?

Anyway, bringing up Ao3 made me realize one big difference between our culture and theirs is that tags here are generally meant as a positive rather than a negative. You don't tag loli to warn off people who don't want to see it, you tag it to lure in the kind of perverts who get off on it. The penalty for bad tagging is that your audience is off looking at yuri while you're sitting in f/f-land all by your lonesome. That's how all the tools are built, and why filtering out tags feels like an afterthought: It is.

Which really explains the disconnect we're seeing here, OP. I'm sure you feel like you're being reasonable, but you're asking the whole forum to upend itself to accommodate you.

 

[evildice]

Unrestricted: what most places would consider a consenting adult. … … so highest age was 21, most common is 18, lowest number was 13,

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what caused QQ to be created, and most of its growth. It's been almost 13 years now,

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It's almost time for QQ-chan herself to get lewded.

 

[Savinkov]

It's almost time for QQ-chan herself to get lewded.

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Somebody commission Cambrian to lewd the personification of QQ.