General World of Darkness Discussion Thread QQ Edition

[Imperator Sol]

I am so glad I never picked up that book, dear god, wtf.

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...V5 was my first introduction to Vampire, after Bloodlines.

The shame burns.

 

[shadowdice]

V5 has some of the stupidest ideas in that book. Especially on how vampires think and behave.
Because god damn some of the most stupid ideas on high humanity vampires are in there.

Spoiler: V5 Date Gifts Examples

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Some of them are ok, good even like "a night of superhuman parkour" or " a signed photo from celebrity" but who the fucks thinks most of them are a good idea?

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Outside of the fact that most of those high humanity date gifts require an elder or stupidly powerful/connected person I am reminded of the fact that I can't think of a straight priest in all of WOD

The Cainite Heresy book began with a priest raping a monk for no particular reason in universe, and him being corrupt could just as easily been shown with his monologue about getting his father hanged to make sure he got the full inheritance

 

[Gereh]

V5 has some of the stupidest ideas in that book. Especially on how vampires think and behave.
Because god damn some of the most stupid ideas on high humanity vampires are in there.

Spoiler: V5 Date Gifts Examples

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All of those are stupid or should be almost impossible to produce, but... "A vial of their own Vitae"? How brain-dead do you have to be to think that is a good idea? Honorably mention to giving a Malkavian elders journal away because it "only" has erotic "dreams" in it, for being almost as stupid (especially since we all know that vampires don't dream). But that is probably only long-term issue while giving having a vial of your vitae around is short-, medium- and long-term issue.

Also how is that the only really good idea of all of those is part of the low-humanity ones? Namely the twins as a snack aka "Prepare a nice meal, Vampire Edition"

 

[shadowdice]

V5 has some of the stupidest ideas in that book. Especially on how vampires think and behave.
Because god damn some of the most stupid ideas on high humanity vampires are in there.

Spoiler: V5 Date Gifts Examples

Spoiler: V5 Dates Examples

Some of them are ok, good even like "a night of superhuman parkour" or " a signed photo from celebrity" but who the fucks thinks most of them are a good idea?

Low humanity ones are more justifiable but low humanity doesn't mean you suddenly forget normal human interactions and norms. It means you don't care about them if it means you need to do some dark shit. Helena isn't going to give his lover some shit fingers or decorated skull or bloodstained wooden stake.

Spoiler: Low Humanity gift examples

Don't get me started on "Tiktok" play.

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going over high humanity

high humanity gifts. Almost all of them require vast age or connections

• jeweled vial of vitae. Outside of the many possible issues of blood bonds and rituals done to you using the vitae, I can kind of see it in the "If I ever go missing for a long period of time, break this open to use with a trusted thaumaturge I know to track me down" way
• werewolf fang implies elder or someone who is absurdly connected/great at fighting if it isn't a fake
• copy of a forgotten Shakespeare is a Why Haven't You Taken This To Someone thing where a real fan of Shakespeare who isn't an asshole would want it to be proven to be a lost Shakespeare and published. Also implies vast age or connections
• moonlight blood flowers does sound like something that would exist in WOD even if it would be highly lilith coded and I don't see why a high humanity vampire wouldn't just give out normal flowers. Again, connections and age is a factor here
• lost da vinci, same issue as the Shakespeare one of WHY AREN'T YOU SHOWING THIS TO THE WORLD and the connections/age
• Pope letter is the usual edge and jokes about gay catholic priests
• Malk Elder journal is of erotic stuff feels like it would be super messed up because Malk Elder and is almost definitely a book of prophecies written in euphemisms
• the tooth brushes are made of fur? otherwise okay
• I have gone over in another post how it should be impossible for a Tremere to have gotten a hold of and preserved that blood because of timeline issues. A lot of the overall book reads like someone who doesn't know VTM or history
• celebrity photo is again Age/Connections not a thing for the average vampire who is presumably a neonate

high humanity dates

• one and two work
• tzimisce tattoo artist and high humanity are not words that go together in any normal circumstances given TZIMISCE
• rat catching tournament is okay
• underground art gallery...why not a normal one
• stargazing session works
• tea party works as a "Meet my dad/mom" scenario
• Regency party if they are not a big LARPer is another age/connections thing
• parkour works
• I don't put Brothel Orgy and date in a sentence together under normal circumstances even if I can kind of see it with a vampire as a shared feeding thing, but I wouldn't associate it with high humanity

low humanity gifts

• skull, kind of works if both are low humanity and sounds like a Giovanni or other necromancer thing
• severed finger is just Ed Gein
• twins is blatantly stolen from interview with the vampire
• torture is just a thing and I don't see why it would be a thin blood
• the rest are just fucking weird

 

[Maragas]

going over high humanity

high humanity gifts. Almost all of them require vast age or connections

• jeweled vial of vitae. Outside of the many possible issues of blood bonds and rituals done to you using the vitae, I can kind of see it in the "If I ever go missing for a long period of time, break this open to use with a trusted thaumaturge I know to track me down" way
• werewolf fang implies elder or someone who is absurdly connected/great at fighting if it isn't a fake
• copy of a forgotten Shakespeare is a Why Haven't You Taken This To Someone thing where a real fan of Shakespeare who isn't an asshole would want it to be proven to be a lost Shakespeare and published. Also implies vast age or connections
• moonlight blood flowers does sound like something that would exist in WOD even if it would be highly lilith coded and I don't see why a high humanity vampire wouldn't just give out normal flowers. Again, connections and age is a factor here
• lost da vinci, same issue as the Shakespeare one of WHY AREN'T YOU SHOWING THIS TO THE WORLD and the connections/age
• Pope letter is the usual edge and jokes about gay catholic priests
• Malk Elder journal is of erotic stuff feels like it would be super messed up because Malk Elder and is almost definitely a book of prophecies written in euphemisms
• the tooth brushes are made of fur? otherwise okay
• I have gone over in another post how it should be impossible for a Tremere to have gotten a hold of and preserved that blood because of timeline issues. A lot of the overall book reads like someone who doesn't know VTM or history
• celebrity photo is again Age/Connections not a thing for the average vampire who is presumably a neonate

high humanity dates

• one and two work
• tzimisce tattoo artist and high humanity are not words that go together in any normal circumstances given TZIMISCE
• rat catching tournament is okay
• underground art gallery...why not a normal one
• stargazing session works
• tea party works as a "Meet my dad/mom" scenario
• Regency party if they are not a big LARPer is another age/connections thing
• parkour works
• I don't put Brothel Orgy and date in a sentence together under normal circumstances even if I can kind of see it with a vampire as a shared feeding thing, but I wouldn't associate it with high humanity

low humanity gifts

• skull, kind of works if both are low humanity and sounds like a Giovanni or other necromancer thing
• severed finger is just Ed Gein
• twins is blatantly stolen from interview with the vampire
• torture is just a thing and I don't see why it would be a thin blood
• the rest are just fucking weird

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Just for the continuation sake, here are the low humanity "dates". Most of them sound straight from Sabbat (which is antagonist only in V5, go figure!) rather than just low humanity. Like, I would only recommend Haunted House date and maybe Dominated Mortals dancing since it would be funny. Maybe the corporate one for the funsies.

Spoiler: Low Humanity Dates

It also has several scenarios and ideas on chronicles that are simply...stupid.
Like a Camarilla Court where you need to marry a Court member to stay in the city, and the Prince traps newly arrivals. Meaning either Prince is incredibly powerful like Mithras or about to die.

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Or Anarchs being Anarchs aka stupid. Arguing that monogamy is patriarchy Camarilla bullshit and romance must happen in polygamy.

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Blood Stained Love is very very confusing and stupid book.

 

[LeftWaiting]

• tzimisce tattoo artist and high humanity are not words that go together in any normal circumstances given TZIMISCE

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So iirc a lot of Tzimisce are now either Independent or affiliated with the Camarilla in V5, and unless stated otherwise are assumed to be mid-to-high Humanity.
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TLDR the Sabbat kind of imploded.

 

[shadowdice]

So iirc a lot of Tzimisce are now either Independent or affiliated with the Camarilla in V5, and unless stated otherwise are assumed to be mid-to-high Humanity.
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TLDR the Sabbat kind of imploded.

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Becoming independent or camarilla affiliated does not make me trust them and a large section of the clan becoming mid/high humanity is just a sweeping ass pull like much of what I dislike in V5

I would not trust a Tzimisce tattoo artist to be above board and not fucking around unless my PC personally knows this Tzimisce on a deep level, nor would I trust a Tremere tattoo artist using blood thaumaturgy to do the same thing that the Tzimisce is doing with vicissitude.

 

[Gereh]

Just for the continuation sake, here are the low humanity "dates". Most of them sound straight from Sabbat (which is antagonist only in V5, go figure!) rather than just low humanity. Like, I would only recommend Haunted House date and maybe Dominated Mortals dancing since it would be funny. Maybe the corporate one for the funsies.

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9 is directly taken from an older Sabbat book. It's "Rat Race" aka one of the Wargames/"Game of Instinct". Just that the Sabbat gave them more than just a Stake to defend themselves.

You know what, it would explain a lot if we imagine that they looked at those "Game of Instincts" as inspiration since those could also be super ridiculous stuff.

I would not trust a Tzimisce tattoo artist to be above board and not fucking around unless my PC personally knows this Tzimisce on a deep level, nor would I trust a Tremere tattoo artist using blood thaumaturgy to do the same thing that the Tzimisce is doing with vicissitude.

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I would say as a rule of thumb you should never let anyone make any permanent changes to your PC, unless you are 110% sure that you can trust them, no matter clan/sect/whatever.