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Afair, SteamOs still requires you to have another OS for actual work, and most games working on it are already working on other Linuxes. Didn't check it for some years, though, maybe they managed it to work with most Win-only games...
I personally agree with OP about Mint, but many games on Steam work even on Debian.
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I'm on Arch and need to finally fix the missing characters.
The rectangles that according to search results, translate into Emojis.
The rectangles that according to search results, translate into Emojis.
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That's going to be a font thing, right? If I recall correctly, installing a font that has the missing characters in the usual way should correct it, if your system has fallback fonts sent up correctly.
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Had similar for Steam on Debian - never got to fixing as most Net solutions didn't work and actual working went ok.
Mint worked well in this, though. I think it was initially a bit gamer- oriented.
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Damn. So there IS a Linux thread in here.
Oh well, I'm going to just use this thread. Two and half years of dormancy. A lot has happened in that time, huh?
Well, for now, I've transitioned from Bazzite to CachyOS.
I used to outright build my own Bazzite image. Well, build ublue image, I mean - I made my repo from back when all we had was the ublue-kinoite image.
They're convenient, and works well enough for the most part. My issue is that I just don't agree with how the admin runs the project. At times, it feels like it's their owm playground more than a platform for people to just make their own. The constant replacement of KDE/Qt apps for GTK/libadwaita especially irked me. Them removing Discover for Bazaar, when it wasn't ready, was the last straw for me.
I then used NixOS for a bit, but it just doesn't work out for my system. It's just excessively stuttery, which is understandable on my old laptop, but not so much on my ROG Ally. And Jovian is still mainly for Steam Deck, not ROG Ally.
CachyOS has been great, so far. A lot of what they do is invisible, but I actually tried Arch via archinstall for a day on my laptop, and I just realized how much CachyOS does that is annoying to do from vanilla Arch.
I don't really like Shelly, though. I think Octopi is a more straightforward GUI package manager. Though I do mostly use Flatpak still, so... Ehh.
Still, I'm satisfied with all that CachyOS has done. It really feels like an Arch distro that sets all the hassle invisible stuff and just gets out of the way in the way that users would want to control.
View: https://youtu.be/8C5i1JFCLTI
Oh well, I'm going to just use this thread. Two and half years of dormancy. A lot has happened in that time, huh?
Well, for now, I've transitioned from Bazzite to CachyOS.
I used to outright build my own Bazzite image. Well, build ublue image, I mean - I made my repo from back when all we had was the ublue-kinoite image.
They're convenient, and works well enough for the most part. My issue is that I just don't agree with how the admin runs the project. At times, it feels like it's their owm playground more than a platform for people to just make their own. The constant replacement of KDE/Qt apps for GTK/libadwaita especially irked me. Them removing Discover for Bazaar, when it wasn't ready, was the last straw for me.
I then used NixOS for a bit, but it just doesn't work out for my system. It's just excessively stuttery, which is understandable on my old laptop, but not so much on my ROG Ally. And Jovian is still mainly for Steam Deck, not ROG Ally.
CachyOS has been great, so far. A lot of what they do is invisible, but I actually tried Arch via archinstall for a day on my laptop, and I just realized how much CachyOS does that is annoying to do from vanilla Arch.
I don't really like Shelly, though. I think Octopi is a more straightforward GUI package manager. Though I do mostly use Flatpak still, so... Ehh.
Still, I'm satisfied with all that CachyOS has done. It really feels like an Arch distro that sets all the hassle invisible stuff and just gets out of the way in the way that users would want to control.
View: https://youtu.be/8C5i1JFCLTI
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One of these days I have to get off my ass and really get into playing around with Linux to see what I can really do with it. My excuses keep getting in the way.
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CachyOS has their April updates: https://discuss.cachyos.org/t/cachyos-april-2026-release-changelog/28539
Bazzite also put out their Fedora 44 update: https://universal-blue.discourse.group/t/bazzite-44-update/12092
CachyOS remains trailblazing and Bazzite seems to be doing well as they follow with Fedora and CachyOS.
Haven't been following Bazzite as much, has anyone heard of what's been going on in the OGC?
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Bazzite also put out their Fedora 44 update: https://universal-blue.discourse.group/t/bazzite-44-update/12092
kylegospo said:
CachyOS remains trailblazing and Bazzite seems to be doing well as they follow with Fedora and CachyOS.
Haven't been following Bazzite as much, has anyone heard of what's been going on in the OGC?
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I've been trying out Linux Mint (live) this past weekend to dip my toes in the water so to speak. It even revived the shitiest old pc I had in the attic to the point It felt brand new.
I'm thinking of setting up a dual boot for now with windows for either Linux Mint or CachyOS. Tough I am not sure if one or the other is better for an Intel - Nvidia based rig or not.
The reason I'm not straight up taking the plunge yet and ditching windows entirely no matter how much I want to is because I still get longtime return customers that specifically want files for programs that do not run on linux. Tough Ive been phasing the clients out gently too as the licensing fees just eat the entire profit margin now a days. So it isnt worth it to keep doing anything in that field in service of others and it doesnt help that AI is making reasonable enough process to see the writing on the wall even for most niche things.
The only thing I want to keep using my pc for is just regular stuff that everyone does, internet, banking, gaming and with as few vulnerabilities, bloatware and as little telemetry as possible and get it the closest I can short of straight up air gapping it. (Which ive already done for my actual data by using a HDD docking port, thunderstorms are frequent here and ive had more than enough electronics fried and data lost because of them. Sometimes you just forget to unplug the power cable and wake up to the dead screen of a bricked pc.)
Im not sure what to replace my AVG everything with tough.
The videos I saw mainly point out CachyOs for gaming but also indicate mint for stability and usability. I honestly dont like having to update all the time as my experience with windows is that sometimes theres a bad update that can even brick your pc, so I prefer to delay installing updates with about a month or two. so im still fence sitting there and leaning towards Mint (Cinnamon) for now with the idea that if it falls short in gaming, I can always switch.
If anyone has advice on that, Id appreciate it.
Games I hope wil be able to run on linux:
I'm thinking of setting up a dual boot for now with windows for either Linux Mint or CachyOS. Tough I am not sure if one or the other is better for an Intel - Nvidia based rig or not.
The reason I'm not straight up taking the plunge yet and ditching windows entirely no matter how much I want to is because I still get longtime return customers that specifically want files for programs that do not run on linux. Tough Ive been phasing the clients out gently too as the licensing fees just eat the entire profit margin now a days. So it isnt worth it to keep doing anything in that field in service of others and it doesnt help that AI is making reasonable enough process to see the writing on the wall even for most niche things.
The only thing I want to keep using my pc for is just regular stuff that everyone does, internet, banking, gaming and with as few vulnerabilities, bloatware and as little telemetry as possible and get it the closest I can short of straight up air gapping it. (Which ive already done for my actual data by using a HDD docking port, thunderstorms are frequent here and ive had more than enough electronics fried and data lost because of them. Sometimes you just forget to unplug the power cable and wake up to the dead screen of a bricked pc.)
Its annoying as hell to see my windows pc have its performance slowly being slowly devoured by each update whilst seeing news articles every now and then that basically tell me theyre dealing in my info which in turn sicking more and more ads and phishing on me whilst planning my system's obsolesence and the seeming course to make personal computers a subscription terminal for subscription based programs.
(Seriously my little nieces and nephews now have leased computers for school, and no longer actually own one... Nor can they afford one with the increased prices. Not to mention all the game passes and subscriptions they got.)
At the same time, there are plenty of geopolitical developments that add to the risks, which turn both the internet in another battlefield and services into potential leverage. Add in AI misshaps (for now) and the likelyhood of bad actors weaponising AI sortly and things arent looking so pretty.
Things are quite frankly developing exponentially faster on all fronts than anyone can reasonably be expected to adapt to and side stepping the statistically larger targets of windows and mac seems like a pragmatic solution to me. Especially when taking all of the prior factors into account.
Plus if things do get fcked, im just a single usb reinstall away from reinstalling linux without the need for an internet connection to complete the setup.
(Seriously my little nieces and nephews now have leased computers for school, and no longer actually own one... Nor can they afford one with the increased prices. Not to mention all the game passes and subscriptions they got.)
At the same time, there are plenty of geopolitical developments that add to the risks, which turn both the internet in another battlefield and services into potential leverage. Add in AI misshaps (for now) and the likelyhood of bad actors weaponising AI sortly and things arent looking so pretty.
Things are quite frankly developing exponentially faster on all fronts than anyone can reasonably be expected to adapt to and side stepping the statistically larger targets of windows and mac seems like a pragmatic solution to me. Especially when taking all of the prior factors into account.
Plus if things do get fcked, im just a single usb reinstall away from reinstalling linux without the need for an internet connection to complete the setup.
Im not sure what to replace my AVG everything with tough.
Its always been a fairly solid middle ground, not the cutting edge but good enough and consistent enough for me as well when saving messed up levels of infected pcs of family and friends with the free edition that other programs failed to save. If possible im hoping to find an EU based Antivirus company and VPN with atleast wireguard protocol on it, preferably rolled up in one and if possible, something that is available on both windows and linux so I can use it on both.
The videos I saw mainly point out CachyOs for gaming but also indicate mint for stability and usability. I honestly dont like having to update all the time as my experience with windows is that sometimes theres a bad update that can even brick your pc, so I prefer to delay installing updates with about a month or two. so im still fence sitting there and leaning towards Mint (Cinnamon) for now with the idea that if it falls short in gaming, I can always switch.
If anyone has advice on that, Id appreciate it.
Games I hope wil be able to run on linux:
Skyrim
CP2077
Titanfall 2
Ace Combat 5 and up
Hogwarts Legacy
CP2077
Titanfall 2
Ace Combat 5 and up
Hogwarts Legacy
24caratcoal
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Nice, welcome to the club. Probably my favorite feature with pretty much any GNU/Linux OS is that if the thing bricks on you, there's a decent chance that you can still retrieve the data from your harddrive (don't forget your password). I've done it a couple times and it's super useful. Fair warning though, every now and then the distros will get borked, so the LTS versions are definitely where you want to stick if you're not wanting to live on the edge. Things can/will still go wrong with the LTS, of course, but more often than not that comes down to user error.
For your consideration (particularly since you've got prior experience), I would propose Arch. It's not as intuitive straight away and you'll have to put in a fair bit of legwork, but once you've got it going? It's your system. Just don't forget to RTFM first (and if you can, have a copy on another computer that you can reference).
Nord. You'll have to install it through the terminal, but honestly you can get more done through the terminal than the GUI anyway.
Oh, I almost forgot, Mint and other Ubuntu derivatives can suffer a bit of bloat themselves (though it takes a while), so be sure to keep an eye on your backups. You probably already know, but just in case you didn't, they will eat up your memory if you're not careful about limiting how many of them there are, especially as you get more programs installed.
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For the usecase described, you do not want Arch on your primary machine, at least not yet. If you think you want Arch, you probably want CachyOS instead; install Arch on a secondary computer so you can mess around with it before installing it on your daily driver.
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Ah I can practically hear the memes already: I use arch btw"
That said, I am not dipping my toes in anything more intense than Cachy or Mint for now.
@24caratcoal Thanks for pointing out the bloat problem with Mint compared to Cachy!
I would like to say no worries but... I tend to ignore the manual and crawl back to it when I screw up lol. Its kinda adding appeal to Linux for me with the various rollback features I saw.
Since the both of you seem to favour CachyOS in responce to what I wrote and I was on the fence between it and mint, il see how far il get with CachyOS this weekend.
I did read that windows needs to be installed first for a dual boot setup and preferably clean, then to make a partitian for Linux to operate on so there is that. Guess I did read the manual this time
That said, I am not dipping my toes in anything more intense than Cachy or Mint for now.
@24caratcoal Thanks for pointing out the bloat problem with Mint compared to Cachy!
I would like to say no worries but... I tend to ignore the manual and crawl back to it when I screw up lol. Its kinda adding appeal to Linux for me with the various rollback features I saw.
Since the both of you seem to favour CachyOS in responce to what I wrote and I was on the fence between it and mint, il see how far il get with CachyOS this weekend.
I did read that windows needs to be installed first for a dual boot setup and preferably clean, then to make a partitian for Linux to operate on so there is that. Guess I did read the manual this time
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This is definitely a fair point. Good catch. Arch (like Gentoo) is really easy to fuck up if you're not careful from what I've heard/understand.
One of these days I'll get around to playing around in that sandbox. Probably when I'm 90 or so, given my history of procrastination.
Of course! I know about it from firsthand experience since I tend to run Mint as my primary, but it's still far better than Windows about it. I'm… four or five years into using it for my laptop and it's only just now becoming a major pain in my ass (I've got a fairly small HD by modern standards <200Gb). Maybe I'll give Cachy a try while I'm at it.
Either way one of the best features of all Linux Distros however, once you get used to playing around with them, is you can customize the partitions you use, allowing for an enormous degree of flexibility as to how you use it. Larger HDs offer a bigger advantage in this since one of your partitions can be/is used for extra RAM, with a large enough HD you can easily dedicate 10-20+ Gigs purely to that. If you know exactly what you want, it's very easy to fine-tune this to maximize the performance.
Fair point, Linux's big advantage is that you can find and purge a good chunk of it. Unlike Windows, which just turns into The Blob.
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I mean, you can with windows too. It's just... that you need to reinstall it (or use its restore feature) to fix things, if you're a casual user.
You can remove it other ways, but it is much harder than for linux.
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oh... my rig will have plenty of space.... I tended to go through a lot of space for work. RAM has always been a major bottleneck....
Whats that feature called? I need to watch some videos on that....
...since when was this feature in linux?
I'm practically hyperventilating at the mere idea of using any one of my HDs for extra ram.
Makes me wonder why that isnt the very first fearure ANYONE mentions when advocating for Linux in ANY Linux video. Ive watched 'why you should' videos on Linux every now and then since since youtube with videos on linux became a thing and never heard that before.
I think I am having a mental breakdown at having missed this piece of info...
Depending on how well this functions and since when it exists, I would have made very different choices in the software packages I used... It wont do me much these days, but its not like Linux doesnt have freeware alternatives for most of anything. Besides, High RAM is great when gaming too.
Makes me wonder why that isnt the very first fearure ANYONE mentions when advocating for Linux in ANY Linux video. Ive watched 'why you should' videos on Linux every now and then since since youtube with videos on linux became a thing and never heard that before.
I think I am having a mental breakdown at having missed this piece of info...
Depending on how well this functions and since when it exists, I would have made very different choices in the software packages I used... It wont do me much these days, but its not like Linux doesnt have freeware alternatives for most of anything. Besides, High RAM is great when gaming too.
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It's usually referred to as Virtual RAM or Virtual Memory. It's been a feature for… a couple decades at least, probably far longer than that, tbh.
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Ah thankfully albeit a bit disappointingly its not what I thought it was. This exists on windows too.
Still very usefull tough.
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Yeah, the partition is called 'swap' in linux. Here's an article that gives a decent rundown. Not sure if it runs the same way on Windows, but basically it takes a chunk of the burden off of RAM to free up more of it for more active processes.
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It does, tis the same thing on both platforms.
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I remember doing this with USB sticks on windows back when 2gb ram was a ton. (I didnt know as much back then as I do now, I still use it on a partition now tough)
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That's what I thought, but I haven't actively run Windows as my primary since XP and even then I only ever did things like gaming with it, I jumped ship completely after 10 took over (after having managed to skip 7 and Vista entirely). At this point I literally only use Windows if I'm using a computer that someone else owns.
Remember when 40Gigs of HD space felt like it would be almost impossible to use up?
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I remember having to type in MSdos to get my games to play. Hell, I used to struggle to get my floppydisks full back then. xD
Speaking of which, how does linux handle old games? I used to play unreal tournament the goty edition untill my windows pc started accelerating the game to speeds only the flash could match making it unplayable. Is that a thing with linux too?
How about the old stuff like tiberium sun which had rediculously small resolutions and now a days looks like it breaks my video card when I try to run it.
Or old games like Outcast which just wont run on any windows platform past maybe xp anymore?
Ps. to anyone reading interested in linux: Another cool feature is how it can run Android apps using Waydroid and hook up to the play store as well as how you can basically open those apps directly after setting it up.
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Oh, Lord, I'd forgotten about that. Terminal works fairly similarly to that, as you've probably experienced. There's lots of power available in the terminal that lets you do things you couldn't do through a GUI without probably at least a dozen menus.
Pretty damn well, honestly. Most of the community loves the legacy hardware and software, so there's a lot of effort put into being able to run them long after companies like Microsoft and Apples discard them.
Edit: Hell, just for kicks now and then I'll boot up the old Moraff's games and I don't think those have been usable since XP at most, and even then you had to jump through hoops. You just need one program on Linux (can't remember what it's called off the top of my head) and all of those old dos games are right at your fingertips. Even the old flash games from the 2ks can still be played.
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Really old games and new games do perfectly fine.
Direct X 9-11 struggle because Proton isn't ideal for them and you need to use other translation layers for their APIs. They're 50/50, popular ones will have fixes to work well and less popular ones will struggle.
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Oh, mistakes were made. I decided to try CachyOS with one of the lightweight desktops that I'm not used to. That was the wrong choice, I couldn't find anything and it was missing options that I am very used to now. Like searching the menu, I very much like that feature. LXDE was a painful reminder of the past, I'll give one of the others a try and if that's as bad then I'll say screw it and live with a somewhat sluggish desktop. I know Cinnamon does fine, I'm just hoping I can ease some of my poor machine's suffering without inconveniencing myself in the process.
Edit: Cinnamon it is. I hate having my touchpad active if I don't absolutely need the damn thing and somehow the light desktops don't offer the option to turn it off when a mouse is connected in the touchpad settings.
Edit 2: Heads up, @TheHoneyPot installing Nord on Cachy is proving to be a bit trickier than I anticipated. I'll take another crack at it tomorrow, if I can figure out what the trick is quickly enough I'll tag you in a new post with the breakdown. Honestly that's probably the biggest downside to Linux is occasionally things don't go as planned, so you do have to jump through hoops to get it working. But those hoops tend to get easier as time goes on.
Edit: Cinnamon it is. I hate having my touchpad active if I don't absolutely need the damn thing and somehow the light desktops don't offer the option to turn it off when a mouse is connected in the touchpad settings.
Edit 2: Heads up, @TheHoneyPot installing Nord on Cachy is proving to be a bit trickier than I anticipated. I'll take another crack at it tomorrow, if I can figure out what the trick is quickly enough I'll tag you in a new post with the breakdown. Honestly that's probably the biggest downside to Linux is occasionally things don't go as planned, so you do have to jump through hoops to get it working. But those hoops tend to get easier as time goes on.
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I can't comment on the VPN part, but do you really need an antivirus on linux? It just increases the attack surface of the system and can't protect against entirely unknown malware anyway. Just keep your system up to date, use a scriptblocker when browsing and don't install software from untrustworthy sources.
I'd say the only games that outright fail to run on linux are those with anticheat. Otherwise, its mostly a matter of using the right proton version and updating your graphic card drivers (particularly with NVIDIA cards, in my experience).
From your list, I can confirm that Skyrim[1], Cyberpunk 2077[2] and Hogwarts Legacy[3] run on Mint.
[1] Haven't tried modding with an external mod manager yet though.
[2] The last time I've had driver issues with that one was three years ago when I've had to get it to run the first time.
[3] Your mileage may vary. I've had consistently reproducible crashes during loading screens due to some kind of shader corruption IIRC, but seemed to be the only one with that specific issue (though shaders seem to be iffy with that game even on windows).