Chapter 117: The Asgard Question Part 4
Stargate Command, CFB Goose Bay, Newfoundland, Canada, November 25th, 1999
Catra wasn't impressed by the Alliance delegation from Earth - the official Alliance delegation, at least. Four diplomats, one each from the United States, the United Kingdom, France and Germany, with their assistants. At least they didn't have guards with them - it was already a huge delegation. "A few more, and we would outnumber the Princess Alliance meetings," she muttered as she leaned against the railing leading to the Stargate.
Glimmer, on her left, snorted at that. Adora, on Catra's right, didn't.
"Maybe we could lose them on the way? Have the gate malfunction and send them somewhere else?" Catra suggested.
Glimmer chuckled, and Adora finally reacted: "Catra!"
"I think that would be possible," Entrapta said. "We would have to shut the gate down and then dial to another address. But I don't think we could do that accidentally."
"Catra was joking," Adora told her.
"Ah."
"It's still too many people in the delegation," Glimmer said. "At least they agreed that they couldn't all have a say in the actual talks. But they'll badger us between the meetings."
"And some of them will want to speak up anyway, I bet," Catra said. The US Secretary of State, for one - the man didn't strike her as being content to observe in silence. And if he spoke, the other three diplomats would want to speak as well. They could only hope that the man's assistant would be able to control him - but the woman was an unknown; at least the Princess Alliance had no records of a Dr Weir talking with them, and she hadn't been part of Stargate Command either.
"Well, yes. For all their talk about democracies being different from kingdoms, their leaders have the same egos as princesses," Glimmer said.
"You would know." Catra grinned when Glimmer frowned at her.
"Catra!" Adora hissed again. "They're coming over!"
"About time."
But Catra straightened when the Earth delegation approached them. No need to antagonise them from the start. She could wait until they gave her a reason.
Besides, Jack probably had annoyed them already - at least judging by the way he was trying not to grin, and half the diplomats tried not to show their annoyance. Weir, though, looked perfectly composed, Catra noted as everyone greeted each other.
"Alright. Since everyone's here, we can dial to the temporary base," Adora said.
"From which we will travel to the Asgard planet, right?" the Secretary of State asked.
"Yes, once the Tok'ra delegation has joined us," Glimmer told him. "As you were told at the briefing. And it's not actually an Asgard planet - it's a planet under their control, but nominally free."
"Yes, a Viking planet." The man nodded.
"Actually, it's Norse. They don't call themselves Vikings," Daniel added. "That was a term that originally just described a sea journey - at least according to the latest theory. Unfortunately, unless and until we resolve the current tension with the Asgard, we can't contact the Cimmerians to learn more about this. It's a fascinating opportunity to find out more about our own past."
Most of the diplomats smiled politely at that, Catra noted. They probably didn't like the fact that Daniel would be talking directly to the Asgard. Well, sucked to be them. She trusted Daniel a lot more than she trusted any of them.
"We should have taken a ship there," the American Secretary of State commented. "Show the flag."
"That would take too long. And they might not want to let us visit one of their planets with a spaceship," Jack said.
"And we might not want to show our ships to them at this point," the British diplomat added. "Just in case the negotiations fall through."
"That's why we're not bringing all of our bots with us," Entrapta said. "But we'll take Emily with us - they already saw her. But don't worry; she can keep all of us safe!"
"That didn't seem to reassure the delegation as much as Entrapta thought it would, Catra noticed.
Well, that's not my problem, Catra thought as the Stargate began to dial.
*****
Gate Area, Cimmeria, November 25th, 1999 (Earth Time)
"As often as we visit here, we might as well ask for an embassy," Jack O'Neill commented as he walked down the Stargate's ramp. "Would save us some trips."
"Shouldn't we wait with such plans until we have straightened things with the Asgard?" Daniel asked as he joined Jack. "I don't think they would want us on one of their protected planets if they think we're trying to subvert their species. Of course, even if we manage to smooth out our relations, they might be concerned about our effect on the Cimmerians - our mere presence would affect them unless we completely isolate ourselves, and I think that wouldn't be realistic. The Asgard would have concerns about our influence here - not unreasonable ones, actually, given our history."
Jack snorted. "I was joking, Daniel."
"Ah." Daniel pouted a little - his friend tended to take Jack a bit too seriously - but when Sha're leaned into his side and whispered something into his ear, he quickly brightened.
Jack didn't make a comment about young love or anything. The couple had gone through too much for that to joke about it. And it would make him sound a bit jealous. Not that he was jealous, of course - he was perfectly happy with his current life. Mostly.
"The Asgard's sensors do not seem to have been upgraded since our last visit, sir," Carter reported.
He nodded. He had expected that - it hadn't been too long, after all. It was still a good sign, though. If the Asgard had upgraded the defences here, despite their war against those killer robots, then that would have meant they were pretty concerned about the Alliance. Or about the Goa'uld. Either possibility would have been bad.
"There's a ship in orbit," Entrapta said. She was looking at the sky, her visor down and slightly glowing.
"Can you spot it from here?" Jack asked.
"Yes. But Emily detected it first and then fed me her sensor data so I knew where to look. I could have spotted it without Emily's help, but it would have taken me longer. And my visor's software isn't as good at getting target data at that range as Emily's - it's mostly optimised for short-range analysis. And, of course, eye protection!"
The bot bringing up the rear of their delegation - which was too big for Jack's taste - beeped.
He nodded. He wasn't happy with revealing such information where they knew the Asgard were listening, but Adora wanted to be as honest as possible to rebuild trust. Jack doubted it would work - Thor probably thought that was an act or misinformation.
Well, Jack could live with that. He glanced at their guests.
The diplomats looked around like tourists, not quite gaping but clearly out of their element. The Secretary of State was bending over to look at a patch of grass. "This looks exactly like grass back home," he commented.
"That is grass from Earth, sir," Carter told him. "Genetic analysis showed that it was taken from Earth - Scandinavia, actually - at roughly the same time as the Cimmerians were moved here. If it had been introduced by the Ancients when they built the Stargate, the genetic drift would have been more significant. It was in the briefing."
The man straightened and frowned at her. Probably annoyed at the implication that he hadn't read through all the files provided to them. Well, Jack hadn't read them in-depth either. He trusted Carter to tell him about stuff like that if it became important.
"It's a reminder that the Goa'uld were not the only ones to operate on Earth in the past," Weir said. "Both them and the Asgard took humans from their homes and settled them on alien planets."
Jack grinned. That was a nice dig at the Asgard. They might complain about Loki's plans, but they didn't have a lily-white vest either when it came to manipulating another species. Weir was sneakier than he had first thought - then again, the US government wouldn't send dull people on this mission. "Well, everybody's here! So…" He cleared his throat. "Earth to Asgard, anyone home?"
"You're early."
That sounded like Thor. Quite a bit ruder than last time, too.
"Hi, Thor! Better early than late. If you're not ready, we can wait." Jack shrugged. "I brought my Game Boy."
The Secretary of State coughed at that, but Jack ignored him as he ignored the snorts and chuckles from his friends.
"That will not be necessary. We require that you allow us to scan you for prohibited and dangerous items."
"We're here to talk to you, not to fight you," Adora said, frowning. "But didn't you scan us as soon as we arrived?"
That was how their anti-snake defence system worked, after all.
"Prepare to be scanned." Apparently, Thor ignored the comment.
Jack looked around, but the gate area hadn't changed. Anise was tense, as expected - they had informed Thor that a Tok'ra would be coming along and had had assurances that she wouldn't be treated as a Goa'uld, but… you could never be sure, could you?
"Oh, the ship's using her scanners!" Entrapta piped up. "Quite powerful ones!"
But were they working at full power? Probably not. They would also be scanned once they arrived at the actual meeting location, before meeting the High Council.
"The machine has to stay behind,"
"Her name is Emily!" Entrapta protested. "And why? She hasn't done anything wrong."
"Her weapon systems make her too dangerous for the meeting."
Jack wondered what Thor would say if he knew how dangerous She-Ra was.
"Emily will guard the gate here," Adora said.
"It's still unfair!" Entrapta pouted. The bot beeped, and she turned to look at it. "You haven't done anything wrong! You aren't able to replicate yourself, so there's no reason to be afraid of you!"
"But we're visiting the Asgard. Their home, their rules," Weir said.
For an assistant, the woman wasn't afraid to speak up. But the rest of the diplomats took that as a sign that they, too, had to comment.
"We can't let this delegation fail merely over a bot," the Secretary of State said.
"And diplomatic meetings are generally conducted without heavy weapons," the German envoy added.
"Generally not, no," the Brit agreed.
"On the other hand, it's also generally understood and accepted that we bring our own security," the French diplomat pointed out.
"We'll leave Emily here," Adora repeated herself.
Entrapta wasn't happy but nodded. Hordak put a hand on her shoulder, and she relaxed a little, Adora saw.
"Good. Stand by for the gate address," Thor announced.
*****
Gate Area, Undesignated Asgard World, November 25th, 1999 (Earth Time)
This isn't an actual Asgard world, Adora thought as she stepped down the gate ramp. The Stargate was out in the open, not in a building. However, there were defence systems similar to those on Cimmeria - more extensive, though, and not concealed. And two pillars flanked the gate itself - was that an Asgard version of an iris? If they didn't want Emily to come along, they wouldn't risk someone invading the place, either, would they?
As the others arrived behind her, she studied the building ahead of them. It didn't look particularly temporary. Quite sturdy, full stone, but also quite bare. And…
"No trails around the building," Catra commented. "No streets. No landing pads. No sign that anyone used this before."
Exactly. Adora nodded. Of course, with their transporter technology, the Asgard wouldn't need landing pads.
And there was nothing else around them - just an empty plain. Sure, most worlds seemed to avoid settling the area right next to the Stargate - probably to avoid any trouble coming through it - but there usually would be some traces of traffic. In short, as expected, this looked like an empty world that the Asgard had picked for the meeting.
"Any bet how long they'll make us wait?" Jack asked as he joined them.
"Jack! We can't expect an alien culture to have the same customs as Earth - or Etheria," Daniel said. "Rushing a meeting could be a sign of disrespect for the Asgard."
Catra snorted at that. "It would fit Loki's manners," she said. "The way he's always trying to rush things. And he's certainly rude when he thinks he can get away with it."
"Well, you're an expert on rudeness," Glimmer said.
Adora clenched her teeth - this wasn't the time to bicker! - but Catra snorted in return.
"Letting your guests wait at the gate is generally considered rude," Sha're commented. "At least amongst the Goa'uld."
"And the Tok'ra," Anise added.
"We were conducting further scans," a voice sounded from one of the pillars.
"Given whom you associate with, it was deemed appropriate to take a cautious approach."
"You could have just talked to us over comms if you're afraid we'll attack you," Entrapta commented. It seemed she was still annoyed at Emily's treatment.
"That would have been rude."
Jack snorted at that. "Well, they haven't lost their humour."
Adora hoped so. They really needed to reach an understanding with the Asgard.
Before anyone else could say anything, the door in the building ahead of them opened, and an Asgard appeared. Thor - or someone who looked more like Thor than Loki. It was a bit hard to tell them apart without closer observation. Or when they weren't together.
"The Asgard High Council welcomes you and bids you to enter." The voice sounded like Thor's.
"Great!" Adora smiled at him.
They entered the building, which was basically one big room with two long tables facing each other and a big screen on the wall. There were two more Asgard sitting behind the table facing the door.
Thor nodded to them. "These are Freyr and Penegal, members of the Asgard High Council."
Adora smiled at them and introduced herself and the others. Though she couldn't help feeling a bit awkward - they outnumbered the Asgard delegation by so many! Maybe they should have limited their numbers…
"Please have a seat," Thor said as he sat down. "We represent the High Council."
As they took their seats, Adora wondered if the rest of the High Council was watching through cameras or if they were trusting the entire meeting to those three. It didn't matter - they were here, and they could finally sort this out.
"Thank you for receiving us," she said, standing up and nodding at them once everyone was seated. "We're here to discuss the situation with Loki and, so we hope, straighten things out between the Asgard and the Alliance. We do not wish any harm on you."
"And yet, you not only shelter a criminal but give him support so he can continue to break our laws," Thor said.
That wasn't a good start. "He asked for help with the genetic degradation you suffer from," Adora said. "Why wouldn't we help him if we can?"
"Because he is a criminal," Thor said.
Freyr raised his hand. "Did you verify his claims?"
Adora nodded. "We did confirm the genetic degradation." Once Loki had arrived on the Third Moon of Enchantment, at least.
"And that was enough for you to trust him?" Penegal asked.
"Yes." Adora nodded again. "Enough to help him."
The Asgard exchanged glances.
"We have him under close observation," Glimmer added. "We're aware of the risks of such experiments."
"Risks such as the creation of Horde Prime," Thor said. He and the others looked at Hordak.
"Yes."
"And yet, you did not contact us." Freyr inclined his head.
"No, we didn't," Adora admitted. Perhaps they should have. But that would have felt like betraying Loki's confidence.
"Why not?" Penegal leaned forward. "Were you aware that he was a wanted criminal?"
Adora raised her chin. "We assumed that. But he asked for help, and we think everyone deserves a chance to change."
"Everyone?" Freyr tilted his head to the side.
"Everyone." Adora nodded firmly.
"Even the Goa'uld?"
"Even them, yes." Adora didn't flinch.
"And yet, according to your claims, you destroyed Horde Prime," Thor cut in.
"We gave him a chance as well," Adora told him.
"And he forced our hand," Glimmer added.
The Asgard exchanged glances again. Adora wished she could read them better.
Freyr turned back to her. "Putting this policy of yours aside for the moment, sheltering a wanted criminal does not seem to be a friendly act. Doubly so if you help him to commit the same actions that made him a wanted criminal in the first place."
That was… Well, it made sense when seen like that from the Asgard's point of view. But it was still wrong!
Daniel spoke up. "I think that depends on what exactly those actions you condemn Loki for are. We haven't been informed about his crimes yet."
Except for the faked Replicator outbreak that Loki had been planning, Adora thought with a pang of guilt.
"You are aware that he created Horde Prime," Thor said. "His reckless, illegal experiments endangered everyone - the Asgard and the entire sector. Dozens of sapient species were rendered extinct as a result of Loki breaking our laws. What more do you need to condemn his actions?"
"But Loki didn't intend to do that!" Entrapta blurted out. "He just made a mistake while experimenting, and his lab security procedures were insufficient!"
"That's why he was banned from such experiments," Thor replied. "Because he had already proven before that debacle that he cannot be trusted to take the necessary safety and security precautions."
"But now we are taking those precautions," Entrapta retorted. "So, it's not the same."
"Indeed," Hordak chimed in. "Loki is under strict supervision, and thorough safety standards are enforced. There will be no repeat of Horde Prime's creation."
The Asgard looked at him, but not for long. The Asgard hadn't really said anything about the Clones since the meeting started, Adora realised. And since the Clones were, technically, descendants of Loki and so closely related to the Asgard that their own systems had been fooled once, that was a little weird.
More than a little, actually.
*****
The Clones were a sore spot for the Asgard. Samantha Carter had suspected it before, but she was now quite sure. The way they avoided looking at Hordak, the way they had skipped the Clones' creation entirely when focusing on Horde Prime's creation, even though, at least from a purely technical point of view, the Clones also were the result of Loki's attempts to solve their genetic degradation problem… It looked like this was something they didn't want to address. Or face.
"So you claim," Thor shot back.
"You have visited the research station," Sam pointed out. "You've seen the measures we take to ensure there will not be another mishap." Although, unless Thor was a scientist as well as a fleet commander, he might not have sufficient skill to judge the effectiveness of the lab's security procedures.
"It is a research base of the Gate Builders - the Ancients or First Ones, as you call them. Their security procedures have not always been up to the challenge that their experiments presented, to say the least," Penegal retorted.
"Feel free to inspect them yourself if you don't trust us," Glimmer cut in with a scowl.
Daniel leaned forward, smiling widely - though a little forcedly, Sam could tell. "And if you feel that the security precautions are insufficient, any suggestions to improve them are welcome. We understand your concerns."
Adora nodded. "We have faced Horde Prime, after all. We have seen what he did and the results of his actions. We don't take this lightly."
"And we aren't Loki," Hordak added.
Once more, the Asgard glanced at him, acknowledging his point without addressing him.
"That is a generous offer," Freyr said. "Although you did not offer to stop his experiments."
"Why would we?" Entrapta asked. "You're in danger of dying out due to your genetic problems, and Loki's trying to fix that. Why should we stop that? We want to help you!"
"Because this is a matter of the Asgard," Freyr replied. "You are outsiders. It is none of your business."
"But Loki is an Asgard as well," Daniel pointed out.
"One who is breaking our laws by these experiments," Thor said. "With your help."
"Your laws do not apply to our worlds," Glimmer retorted. "We're not your subjects."
"This is true," Freyr said, nodding. "But this is not a mere legal matter. By supporting him and his experiments, even if, as you claim, you have taken sufficient measures to render them safe, you are directly intervening in an Asgard matter against the will of the High Council. This is a direct attack on our sovereignty."
Glimmer frowned at that, Sam noticed.
"But we're trying to help you!" Entrapta repeated herself before anyone else could reply.
"We don't want your help!" Thor snapped. "Nor Loki's. Especially not Loki's."
Entrapta's eyes widened. "But why? You do need help!"
Sam winced. Her friend meant well - and was probably correct - but this wasn't very diplomatic.
"At least, that is our impression," Daniel added. He pushed his glasses up as he looked at the Asgard.
Thor scowled at the implied question. "Our researchers are working on a cure."
"Oh! Can we share data? If we combine our data, we might be able to find a solution together!" Entrapta beamed.
After a glance at Thor and Penegal, Freyr shook his head. "Our efforts are aimed at another solution than Loki's plans."
Sam nodded. "You're working on stopping the degradation. Loki is working on creating a new body." And if they hadn't managed to find a solution yet, it didn't look as if they would succeed in the future.
"A new species," Penegal said with another glance at Hordak. "As he has done before. We wouldn't be Asgard anymore if he succeeded."
"That's debatable," Daniel spoke up again. "What defines you? Your appearance? Your genes? Your history? Your culture? Your values? All of that changes over time. You know that already, thanks to your long history and records."
"It has to," Sha're added. "To live is to change."
That triggered another round of scowls amongst the Asgard, Sam noted.
*****
Catra caught herself before she nodded in agreement with Sha're, but the woman was correct. If Catra hadn't changed, she doubted she would be alive any more. Or if she were, would want to be. Adapt or die was the rule in war as well. Though, sometimes, you could change for the worse - as Catra had proved in the Horde War.
"It is a matter of degrees," Freyr said after a moment. "Loki's plans are too drastic. They wouldn't make us Asgard anymore. Like the Clones."
He didn't nod at Hordak, Catra noted.
Hordak didn't react to the declaration. Cata had half-expected him to say that the Clones didn't want to be Asgard anyway. Although… was that actually true? She didn't know. The Clones had broken with Horde Prime, arguably their parent, even if he called them brothers, and Loki, who could be considered the Clones' grandparent, genetically at least, hadn't endeared himself to anyone - least of all the Clones; he hadn't really hidden that he lumped them in with Horde Prime.
But would that attitude towards Horde Prime and Loki extend to the rest of the Asgard?
"You can't just deny that your children are your children! That's not how genetics work!" Entrapta, who had been gaping at the Asgard, blurted out.
"The mere fact that Asgard DNA was used in the creation of a life form doesn't make the result an Asgard," Freyr retorted. "Not even if the result is a sapient life form. To be an Asgard means more than mere genetics."
Daniel cocked his head to the side. "But what does it mean, being Asgard? You haven't answered that. And I think that's an important question for this discussion."
"To be an Asgard, you not only have to share our genome but also our culture and values," Thor stated.
"Now, where did I hear that before?" Catra heard Jack mutter.
"Oh, like the Tok'ra and the Go'auld?" Entrapta turned to Anise. "You are biologically the same, well, except for your genetic memory, which is different, but that's different amongst individuals anyway - but you don't consider each other a member of the same species."
Anise frowned but nodded. "Yes. To be Tok'ra is not a matter of mere biology."
"Ah."
The Asgard didn't show any reaction to the comparison. At least not one Catra could spot.
Daniel pushed his glasses up. "Does that mean Loki isn't an Asgard any more? You claim that he doesn't share your values."
Freyr inclined his head. "That has been debated by the High Council."
"But you haven't ruled that he isn't an Asgard any more," Daniel said, nodding. "Does that mean there were such cases in the past?"
Penegal tensed at that, Catra noted, and Thor and Freyr glanced at each other before the former said: "That is not germane to this discussion."
Which meant 'yes' in Catra's book. Interesting. As interesting as the fact that they hadn't expelled Loki from their species.
Daniel nodded. "So, Loki's actions so far were not enough to, ah, remove his Asgard citizenship…"
"His Asgard Club membership," Jack cut in with a grin.
"...but you don't consider the Clones Asgard. Is that based on their genetic makeup? If they shared your culture, would you consider them Asgard?" Daniel asked with a side glance at Jack.
"The question is moot since they don't share our culture, values and heritage," Freyr said.
"We don't know your culture, values and heritage," Hordak said. "Do you know ours?"
"We know Horde Prime didn't share our culture and values," Penegal replied. "And we haven't shared them with you."
"Loki might have," Catra said. When everyone stared at her, she shrugged. "He hasn't, but what if he decides to do that with his next children?"
"Loki is not a representative of the Asgard," Thor snapped.
"Yet you have not purged him from the Asgard," Daniel pointed out.
"He is a criminal. Would you want your criminals to shape your children?" Freyr asked.
Literally, in this case, Catra thought with a soft snort.
"What if you could shape his children?" Daniel asked.
"What do you mean?" Freyr asked.
Daniel smiled. "You don't want Loki to claim Asgard's future. You claim he doesn't respect your culture and values. What if you could instil your values in his, ah, children? By raising them?"
"As long as you haven't forgotten how to raise children," Jack said in a low voice, followed by Sam's hissed "Sir!".
He was right, but in Catra's opinion, pretty much anyone would probably be a better parent than Loki. Well, with the exception of Horde Prime or Shadow Weaver, of course.
The Asgard were looking at each other again. They seemed to be surprised. At least, that was Catra's impression. Hadn't they thought of that? To be fair, she hadn't thought of that either.
"The question of their genetic makeup remains," Freyr said.
"And Loki plans for them to reproduce sexually," Thor added.
"As an option," Sam retorted. "The Asgard did so in the past, didn't they?"
"In the distant past," Penegal said. He didn't quite shudder, but his tone hinted at it.
But they didn't seem to reject Daniel's idea straight away. That was a good sign.
Probably.
Of course, whether Loki would agree with this proposal was up in the air. Shadow Weaver would never have agreed to relinquish control like that. And Catra didn't think Loki was too different.
*****
Well, Daniel is delivering, Jack O'Neill thought. He got the Asgard thinking about his idea, at least. And that was no mean feat with aliens that made even the Amish look like rabid progressives or something. No, that is unfair to the Amish, he corrected himself. Amish teenagers looked at new things and even experienced them before they returned to their permanent Renaissance Fair-lifestyle. The Asgard, though, seemed stuck in their ways. Superglued and welded to them. And digging in their heels at the hint of the slightest change.
At least, that was his impression. Of course, they had only met four Asgard so far - three members of their government and one renegade - so Jack might be completely wrong about the average Asgard. He didn't think he was, though.
"So, will you entertain the proposal?" Daniel was beaming at the Asgard.
"We will have to discuss this with the High Council," Freyr said.
Jack was reminded of the tone parents used when they didn't want to tell their kids 'no' straight away. He had used it himself, back when… And he shut that line of thought down before it grew painful.
"Of course." Daniel nodded, still smiling.
"Do you need more data? We have the latest data and projections!" Entrapta piped up. She, too, was beaming.
Jack suppressed a sigh. They were too optimistic. Idealistic. Hordak, at least, looked as grouchy as ever. And Sha're seemed to be more pessimistic as well - her smile looked more bland. Polite, rather than heartfelt. Like the diplomats'.
Jack glanced at them. So far, they had been surprisingly silent. He had expected them to try and take over the negotiations, or at least say something just to feel important. But either they knew enough not to break the Alliance's united front in public, or they had been instructed not to make the Etherians mad.
Or, he added when he looked at Weir in particular, who was studying the Asgard with the same expression Entrapta looked at anything dangerous, they were here to gather information for their governments.
Probably a mix of both.
"No, thank you."
Entrapta frowned. "But how can you make an informed decision if you don't have all the data you need?"
"This is a matter of principle," Thor told her. "And, as such, it should not be influenced by details."
Now, that was a weird way to look at things.
"Are you sure?" Daniel asked. "You said this was a crucial matter for your people. Shouldn't you know what you are refusing or accepting?"
Freyr glanced at Hordak before answering: "Before we decide whether or not we would consider the… results of Loki's experiments as potential Asgards, we have to decide if we are open to the basic idea of incorporating new members in the first place."
Jack frowned. That sounded like…
"Does that mean you have stopped reproducing at all?" Carter asked. "Even asexually?"
Once again, the Asgard hesitated, which was answer enough in Jack's book.
"So, you have to decide whether you want to survive in the first place?" Entrapta blinked. "Because if you don't reproduce any more, even if you fix your genetic problems and continue to clone your bodies, you will die out in the long term just from accidents alone. Though, depending on how cautious you are, it might take a long, long time."
The Asgard were fighting a war - a war that, while being won, was fought hard, as far as Jack knew. And people died in war. So, it didn't seem like the Asgard were being as cautious as they could be.
"As we said before, the fate of the Asgard will be decided by the Asgard. Not by anyone else," Thor said.
"But…"
Entrapta was interrupted by Hordak putting his hand on her shoulder. "If they chose to die out, then that is their decision," he said.
All three Asgard seemed surprised by that. Freyr nodded slowly at the clone with what seemed like his first genuine smile.
"But what if some of you dissent?" Glimmer asked. "Will you split then?"
"That is also a decision that will be made by the Asgard and no one else," Freyr said. "Not by outsiders and not by renegades."
And we're back to square one, Jack thought. The Asgard hadn't come out and said that they would force Loki into a collective suicide - if you could call stopping reproduction and waiting for their genes to fail that - but they also hadn't said they wouldn't do it.
On the other hand, at least they hadn't threatened the Alliance with war so far. They hadn't threatened them at all, actually, he realised - and if Loki's experiments were as important for them as they claimed, Jack would have expected some rumbling along those lines.
But did the lack of such sabre rattling mean that the Asgard weren't considering it, or did it mean that they couldn't afford it at this stage of their war with the robots and didn't want to bluff and risk Loki calling them out - or the Alliance calling their bluff?
They had a lot to discuss in the upcoming break.
*****
Temporary Base, Gate Area, PZ-1875, November 25th, 1999 (Earth Time)
"Taking a break from negotiations on another planet is something new, I'll say," the British diplomat said as they stepped down the gate ramp inside their temporary base. "To think we were complaining about long distances at the United Nations in New York!"
Everyone chuckled at that. Adora did so as well - though mostly because she realised that this had become normal for her. If you could travel to another planet more easily and faster than to another city, why not do it?
"It also improves security," the American Secretary of State commented. "We won't have to worry about bugs in our quarters here."
That meant he didn't trust the Asgard not to install listening devices in whatever quarters they might provide for their guests. That was… Well, Adora liked to think the best of potential allies, but she couldn't say it was wrong to be cautious. She glanced at Catra as they approached the quarters that had been prepared in the base for them. Her lover would eavesdrop on others in a heartbeat if she thought it was justified. Or if they weren't careful enough and underestimated how good her ears were.
"Welcome to Forward Base 1875, Ma'am." The officer in charge of the guards saluted her.
Adora returned the salute. "Anything to report?"
"No, Ma'am. Your quarters have been prepared as ordered."
"Hope they didn't forget the fish snacks this time!" Catra commented behind Adora.
The officer didn't react, so either they had prepared Catra's favourite snacks or thought she was joking.
They had prepared the snacks, Adora discovered a moment later when Catra made a beeline to the small buffet waiting for them inside.
"It feels a bit of a waste to erect a temporary base for a single diplomatic mission," the German diplomat, Häckler, commented as the group spread out a bit and sat down at the table in the centre, with a few headed to the bathrooms in the back.
"It's safer this way, sir," Sam told him. "The Asgard know of this world because we travelled here from their meeting place, so if we had a permanent base here, it would be compromised."
"Yes," Glimmer chimed in. "Besides, it's not much of a waste - and good training for the troops who will be setting up such bases during the offensive."
"It's a bit like the Roman Legions," the Secretary of State commented. "They erected a fortified camp every evening on the march."
That had been two thousand years ago, Adora thought while Daniel told them a bit more about this, correcting the diplomat's general statement. It was weird how some things never changed.
"Anyway," Glimmer spoke up again when everyone had grabbed a drink and some snacks. "What are your impressions of the Asgard?"
"They're very conservative," the American Secretary of State said. "It seems they don't want to change, not even if it costs them their lives."
Some nodded in agreement, though not all.
"And their decision-making procedures are suspect," Entrapta complained. "They didn't want more data."
"I think they don't trust us," Sam commented. "Because the data comes from Loki."
"He probably sold them a load of goods before," Jack said, nodding. "Promised them the sky and delivered a turd. A bit like it usually goes with new weapons," he added with a grin.
"They do seem very wary," Daniel agreed. "Unwilling to extend us much, if any, trust."
The American assistant cleared her throat. "Or this could be motivated by internal politics," Weir pointed out. "The High Council might be facing internal opposition who would use such information to push for a change of policy that the High Council doesn't want."
Daniel tilted his head. "We don't know much about their political structure, but according to Loki's information, the High Council is composed of the Asgard with the highest ranks and status - an oligarchy of sorts, possibly meant to be a Council of the Wise."
"They don't look like elves," The British diplomat commented with a smile.
"A reference to Tolkien's works," Daniel explained.
"Ah." Adora nodded, even though it didn't tell her much.
"We don't know if they are facing a popular movement," Daniel went on. "They do seem a very conservative species - understandable, of course, since all of them live for thousands of years."
"They could also have dissenters within the High Council," Weir retorted. "The information Loki provided was a little scant on the makeup of the council."
And quite biased, in Adora's opinion.
"It's all conjecture, though," Häckler said. "We don't know enough to tell. This complicates the negotiations."
"They haven't been very aggressive, though," Weir said. "They seemed to argue more on moral grounds. They didn't raise potential diplomatic or even military consequences. Though that could be based on their experiences with the Alliance representatives."
Adora blinked. What did the woman mean?
"You think they know that we react better to such arguments than we would to threats?" Jack asked with a glance at Adora.
"They are a very old species, and we know they have a treaty with the Goa'uld, so they aren't unused to diplomacy. I think it would be prudent not to underestimate them," Weir said. "They might know more about us than we think - either through deductions from their interactions with us or through other means."
That was a good point, Adora had to admit. She had thought the Asgard didn't trust them because they didn't know them, but if they thought they knew more about the Alliance…
Anise nodded. "They are an old species, and they have met many other species. If they were inexperienced at diplomacy, they would not have maintained their position as a power the Goa'uld do not want to provoke - they would have appeared weak and easily fooled and been considered a source of more advanced technology instead."
"Some of the System Lords might see them as that," Sha're said. "Though they might not have taken actual steps to acquire Asgard technology, many would attempt it if they thought there was an opportunity to do so."
"But as far as you know, they haven't done so despite having met the Asgard thousands of years ago?" Weir asked.
"Not according to Apophis," Sha're replied.
"So, Thor's sneakier than he appeared." Glimmer shrugged. "It doesn't change much. We are here to show them we're not a threat to them."
"But we are a threat to them - at least to some of them," Daniel objected. "We challenge their entire society. Well, Loki does, but we're helping him."
Adora pressed her lips together. This was so frustrating - they just wanted to help the Asgard! "We have to clear this up," she said. They were making plans based on speculation, and that wasn't a good thing.
Honesty was the best policy.
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