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The Skittering Chaos (Worm/Hazbin Hotel)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Thread Necromancer, Aug 7, 2020.

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  1. Thread Necromancer

    Thread Necromancer Amateur Taylor Torturer

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    At the moment if we were to define her goal, then we could probably say that her goal at the moment is to grow her territory and make her part of Hell a better place, all the while not pissing off one of the big guys or biting off more than she can chew during her expansion.

    For when the cult stuff starts, conquest of the city and establishing herself as the Tyrant would probably be the goal, as she has the resources and power to both defend the city and lead it into a new glorious era, plus it would expand her influence in a way that would be unassailable by her rivals in Hell and she would be able to deal with most if not all threats in the Mortal realm.

    I have in my mind Demon Taylor being the modern version of Pisistratus, the Athenian Tyrant that conquered the city 3 times... and basically not much changed other than he set the foundation for what would become the Athenian democracy by establishing the main city square where the people would vote, reduced the power of the nobles by creating a public fountain for people to get clean water from, sponsored the arts and commerce to make Athens at that time the lead producer of Pottery in Greece at the time.

    Honestly Pisistratus all he really did that was dickish while being the dictator of Athens was make it so that there were no elections.

    She's got a goal it is just less concrete than some of her other goals. She wants to reduce the chaos in the streets and make things better for people and she is doing it in the only way she knows how and will approve of, conquest of a territory and helping the community she is growing.
     
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  2. Miller At the Wash

    Miller At the Wash I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    That is literally the defining point of dictators, they get elected as dictator (or elect themselves) and they stay in power until the crisis has passed (often the crisis being there is a dictator in power) whereupon they step down (assassination or bloody revolt counts) so a new leader can take over (sometimes with elections).

    The ideal form of dictatorship is:
    1. There is a crisis.
    2. A person who can resolve the crisis if given sufficient power is elected/appointed dictator.
    3. The dictator wields absolute power and solves the problem.
    4. The dictator resigns.
    5. Normal government recommences.
    The reason why this form of government is so easily abused is obvious, but when it works it works very well.

    Don't try this form of government with any nation larger than a small (by modern standards) city-state, it will not end well.
     
  3. The Unicorn

    The Unicorn Versed in the lewd.

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    It actually can work very well, it worked just fine for Rome for quite a long time. The issue wasn't the size of Rome, it was the composition of the the Roman army.
    Or to put it another way - Democratic government can work with this form of dictatorship just, the issue is not the dictatorship, it's the voters not caring about the issues anymore.
     
  4. Vladicus

    Vladicus Sage of reason and incomplete information

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    Romans have used this system for a long, long time and it worked just fine for them, until it didn't because the normal government was a corrupted mess that shouldn't have ever been trusted. Sometimes it's not the fault of the dictator that a country remains a dictatorship but of the normal government's, because the moment they're given back the power they get up to the same idiocies that nearly brought the country to ruin in the first place and that's not even taking into consideration what they do to cover their asses or try to make the dictator look bad and make it harder for them to do what they've been assigned to do.
     
  5. Miller At the Wash

    Miller At the Wash I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    The Roman (no longer a) republic was one of the 'bad end results of dictatorship in too large of a nation' I had in mind. While the Roman Empire(s) lasted a long time (until the sixteenth century by some reckoning) and was on the whole not the worst empire to happen (actually pretty good compared to the others, then you realise the low bar that implies), it was a failure of the Roman Republic.

    To large a state to support healthy (no not a contradiction in terms) dictatorship, leading inevitably to disenfranchisement and corruption. Things become unmanageable and something had to change.
     
  6. Thread Necromancer

    Thread Necromancer Amateur Taylor Torturer

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    I'm not sure that Taylor would relinquish power even if she really wanted to because of the necessities of maintaining power in Hell to continue her project of improving Hell and the afterlife are likely more important because that is where your immortal soul arrives when you die. Plus she's seen that she can't really trust people to do the right thing for the greater whole, and in this for her the right thing would be the life after, with the mortal realm being but a short pit stop before you end up in your final place of residence.
     
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  7. The Unicorn

    The Unicorn Versed in the lewd.

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    Yah, except it doesn't work. The Roman republic use that system successfully, and as long as the populous was involved in the actual governing, it worked just fine. The Roman republic had dozens of such dictators and it worked just fine as long as the populous were actually involved. When all they cared about was Bread and Circus they let Sula take over, which is IMO when the roman republic died. Ceaser taking control, and being declared dictator (note he was in control long before he was declared dictator) ~30 years later was just acknowledging the fact it was not a republic.

    The fact that Rome had the role of Dictator did not actually contribute anything to their fall.
    https://www.historynet.com/julius-caesar-war.htm
    https://www.thoughtco.com/lucius-cornelius-sulla-12115
     
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