With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

How so? In the end, it tends to boil down to energy on energy. I will point that it seems like Mr. Starfire's whatever blasts where bothering the dragon more.

I mean I understand from the whole "Magic ignoring the laws of the universe/re-writing reality."

So I can get why OL firing a bullet into a magic shield might not work as that shield could be enchanted to absorb the very forces that bullets use to do damage.

But what, pray tell, what is the difference between magical whatever, and a power rings emotionally generated constructs of colored light?

Because barring the fact that Alan Scott's original ring WAS magical, and Silver age power rings could do ANYTHING the user had enough emotion to power, I really do fail to see much of a difference.

OL is harnessing a fundamental emotion on the universe to make shit. Magical effects out of a user friendly device.

I also can't help but notice, that is that it seems to me, that in situations like this, OL, AND ONLY OL, are unable to have any effect.

And I'm sorry, but when OL fights something, and he throws every god damn thing he can imagine at it (Sonic, Laser, Kinetic force, Plasma, Extreme cold, Gravity) and NOTHING WORKS, and this happens ALL THE TIME now it seems. It gets tiresome. Like a Worf effect to try and preserve drama, only in this case it's to keep OL from being the more effective than the people around him.

 

It's kind of dumb to make generalizations about magic, especially comic book magic. That said, there's plenty of magibabble that could be employed.

As an example, I toss a fireball at you. The fire itself is only secondary. It's merely a vehicle to embody the concept of destruction (because fire destroys stuff) which is where the actual damage comes from.

 

You seem to be forgetting that out of all the people fighting, Paul is the only one without any real magic.

 

And you seem to forget that I don't care.

But, to that point, where is Mr. Starfire's magic? Given that he got his powers from touching Alien tech and all.

 

So here's a fun question: is Karfang the first person Robin has ever killed?

 

Thank goodness OL managed to snag that stick, and another sharpened stick.

I find the frantic medical attention after just doing his level best to kill amusing.

 

Calling it now. Next update ends with something exploding.

 

...crumpling as the mutant is knocked away and falls to the ground!

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

I like how his commentary gets more and more terse as he's pressed. Really captures the mindset of combat.

Oh, he's gonna catch it for this. And a proper reminder that Good isn't necessarily Nice, especially in a fight.

Damn, he's a machine! And like this, it's easy to visualise just how he's moving too. Mr Zoat, you write good action.

A pain when they just won't go down, eh?

Osiris, I take it, coming over the ring's comms? Or Karfang, bellowing defiance as she races to defend her heartstone?

And the combat fugue ends...

...passing his supply of healing potions to them.

Ah, the after-action phase. Heals and looting all round! There's gonna be some embarrassing moments ahead, I bet, as Zatanna and Osiris catch up to what they did 'under the influence', as it were. This was messy for everyone...

 

Playing the odds huh? Okay.

 

No! That Dragon was...well technically not People.

 

I don't think this analogy really works. None of the "misaging" consists of people saying "I understand that you consider yourself a 30 year old, but I don't think you qualify as one". Nobody is consciously disagreeing with him, they're just ignorant (said ignorance being his fault, but that's a different story). Also, the problem is with actions, not words; what Zatanna calls him is not really important, it's hitting on him that's the problem.

 

In what way was the sophont with likes, dislikes, and, well not dreams exactly since she means to achieve it, but a certain ambition, the ability to reason, consider herself as an individual entity, and the heart of a dragon, not a person?

 

Basically, while most of Karfang's ability to use magic is instinctive, not all of it is. Having a power ring in her own possession, she was able to expand her normal resistances by using it as a talisman. She doesn't have that with Starfire's energy bolts and so feels it a little bit.

Which is not to say that affecting her is easy anyway. She's got a conceptual invulnerability which -for example- lets her see but doesn't blind her by preventing the rods and cones in her eye responding to light and also prevents her from being blinded by lasers shone at her eyes.

 

Trying to make the joke from DCAUabridged.

 

Sort of.

No. No explosions.

Thank you, corrected.

Under Swiss law Karfang was a person, though not a person they'd given a great deal of thought to when writing the law.

 

So does that mean that if she was, say, 50% resistant to Starfire's blasts she'd be 90% resistant to OL's efforts since they were created by an Orange Power Ring?

 

I don't have sufficient context to parse that image, as I probably don't have the comic that it's from. My current guess is that he temporarily killed Ra's al Ghul?

 

In the way that the Justice League probably won't bitch and moan much (if at all) about killing her.

 

Also his great-grandad has been putting him through hardcore magic boot camp.
A year ago, he was little more than a magic-powered mid-tier bruiser. Now he actually knows what the fuck he's doing.

A lich and a soulless creature are two different things though. The lich has a soul and all the protections and powers that gives you, it's just not in their physical body. They're basically remote-controlling and powering their bodies with their soul. It's like how Grayven heals himself by using his soul mojo to rebuild his body around his soul. An Earth 16 lich does the same thing, only they rebuild their bodies over there somewhere instead of around where their soul is.

That does make magic make sense.
The Zataras apparently can do command line inputs with the talking backwards thing as a safety feature so they don't accidentally reformat the universe.

So, a lizardy version of the new god healing thing which would make a dragon new-godzilla.
I regret nothing.

 

Bunch of speciests and vitalists.

 

Aww, no Dragon-Lich-Lantern

 

No. She's 100% immune to damage from both. However, she can get non-harmful pushing force or other sensation from non-ring sources. Starfire shooting her up the nose tickles and gave her a weird and distracting smell. It didn't hurt her.

Yes. It's from the comic. Robin pulls a diamond lens out of a satellite and tosses it off the lunch gantry. Ra's tries to catch it and fumbles.

 

Are we going to have a scene where the Team and the Justice League are disapproving of Paul killing the gnomes? At least Drakul Karfang was killed by the Team and that they were fine with killing a nigh-unstoppable dragon intent on making humanity extinct.

 

Doubt it, the League only has a problem of killing things that are either human or look human even Batman has killed nonhumon looking people.

 

Aren't comic book physics wonderful? Try this stunt on Earth Prime and the club would carry you with it.

Yes, actually. He put the ring in charge of controlling his body for combat maneuvers so he could focus on higher-level tactics.

This came up in-story here, in fact, when Batman was talking to OL about what happened to Clayface.

 

What are the odds that the ring spirit will be assimilated by the dragon and will possess her body, to become the first "zombie" orange lantern (zombie dragon) in a similar way to that guy the green lanterns have.

Would be fun, even more so if the spirit belongs to a Gordanian warlord (Lizard people) or a female psion researcher (more lizard people)... Yes that would be the most interesting scenario, having an ancient psion researcher inhabit the body of Karfang and being bewildered by the "second chance" and miffed that her body is so big and unsuitable for experiments now.

 

Nit having read much DC, that has to have been his most stupid death...

 

I dunno. If you can reliably be resurrected, you'll take risks that you wouldn't have otherwise taken. Awkward, pointless death perhaps... stupid? Maybe not.

 

Longtime lurker here. Does Paul remember that he can drain magic with his ring? It didn't seem to work when he tried it in Clarion Call but I assume that was because of Source/Presence-based magic being special. As far as I remember, he didn't even contemplate it at any point during this episode, when it seems like it would be useful.