With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Also the points which would most likely be defended. Why go through the heavily defended castle gate when you can just tunnel or breach a wall?

 

Personal challenge? Alternatively: "Psh! Planning! I don't need no planing - enough brute force works just as well. Leeeeeroy-"

 

i mean, Zeus is a serial rapist, Hera, judging from what she did to heracules, is a serial murder/torturer (i dont think there's a specific real-world charge for mind control/mind-rape and body-puppeting),Eris started the Trojan war for shits and giggles,Poseidon got Ulyses's entire crew killed and spent years trying to screw with him because he dared to try and escape his psychopathic,man-eating cyclops son, was it..Athena, or someone else who balefully polymorphed/killed Arachne out of childish pique at being upstaged- i cant...clearly remember.

i mean, say what you want about the Æsir ,but at least they had SOME idea what responsibility was-and far more in the way of moral standards then the Olympians- i think the simplest/biggest difference is Between Zeus and Odin- the former just got given his lightning by Hephaestus/essentially mantled his father's/another titan's power depending on the account, whilst the latter got legitimately EARNED a good chunk of his wisdom/abilities through voluntarily going through days/weeks of "sweet-fates-please-just-let-me-die" suffering, and having his eye gouged out...

 

To my knowledge, GL's being able to kill only became allowed after Sinestro's betrayal, and only against Yellow Lanterns, or "against all enemies of the Green Lantern Corps" (from the Book of Oa wiki page). I suppose it could be inferred that, since the Sheeda designed weapons and tactics specifically to fight "Harold Jordan" (aka Paul), they arean enemy to the Corps. The Guardians certainly wouldn't want enemies that are dedicated to killing some of their Lanterns.

Going where you're expected to go is overrated. Just poke tiny holes in the top corners of rooms to see what's on the other side. Open vaccuum? I'm sure the Lanterns can plug it easily.

 

Oh, I agree entirely. The above "reasons" are what I'd expect of more meathead-y individually powerful Leagues. Ironically suggested by Paul 'pick a wall and blast' Nolastname here.

 

Kind of surprised OL didn't yoink people in with him via a construct.

 

It's undignified. And it would rob them of the power up everyone gets from the Dramatic Entrance. If your cape doesn't flap in the nonexistent wind when you jump into the fray you miss out on a quite a bit of power.

 

I briefly looked into that a while back, turns out that DC comics the story of Camelot is cyclical, and keeps happening. The version that the sheeda got mixed up in was 8000 BC with a proto Camelot long before there was an England to have it in. Then there was the version most folks know, the one where Merlin, Morgaine le Fey, Entrigan the demon, and the Other Shining Knight are from, in the medieval times you'd expect it to be in.

And it will happen again around....3000 AD or so? Because of course it does. Wonder what the Legion of Superhero's have to read in their history books about it.

 

What like Ragnarok? That's... Oh whatever. Thanks for the effort.

 

Weird things you stumble on when digging into dc comics history....there was a run a while back called Demon Knights, where Ystina shows up. um....it might be a bit confusing. Vandar Adg aka Vandal Savage was a member of that 'heroic' team with her back then. ...of course that was n52, and thus shall be stricken from the record.

 

Savage may be a monster by modern standards, but by ancient standards he may have been considered a heroic individual.

What it means to be a 'hero' has changed greatly over the millenia.

Still Demon Knights was pretty enjoyable for me.

 

That was actually a retcon. Earlier Green Lantern showed them killing. Just read Jordan's fight with the Anti-Green Lantern Corps.

And -depending on what exotic defences the Sheeda have set up- potentially fatal.

American readers: what do you it when a sportsball player manages not to foul anyone?

 

Complete tangent, but I just finished Over the Moon on Netflix and it's really making me want to see Chang'e show up in the story, just for fun. There've been hints of inter-pantheon communications, both humorous (Athena unsuccessfully wooing Sekhmet) and otherwise (Paragon asking Vulcan and Hephaestus to set up a meeting with other forge gods), so a full-blown divine gathering would be interesting (especially so if it's in the Renegade timeline).

 

Depending on the continuity at the time his ring either A) Cannot be consciously directed to kill (though nothing is stopping him from picking up a big fucking rock and dropping it on you). B) Can kill, but instantly shuts down. C) Can kill if the Guardians say okay.

Jack Chance got around the no kill thing by using his ring to beat the piss out of you THEN killing you with his gun.

When Hal went nuts, I believe Chance was pulled to Oa as something of a last resort (Before Sinestro was used as a last, last resort) as the "Deadliest" green Lantern...but Hal wrecked his shit anyway.

Opera last I knew. I don't believe they ever existed outside of maybe a ceremonial garb.

I don't read enough Wonder Woman to know how he's portrayed. But it's Wonder woman and he's a man...so probably not well.

Mythological Zeus kicked all sorts of ass, fighting off giant (and I mean GIANT) monsters like Typhoon, and did look after humanity.

I mean, he often hid the fact that he was Zeus, but the sex was generally consensual. The outlier that pops into my mind would be Heracles' mother. Given that he shapeshifted into her husbands form to impregnate her. Granted, he WAS doing so to sire the hero that would save the gods, and the world, from Gaia's wrath in the form of the Giants.

Hilariously, she had Zeus' permission for that. As Heracles wasn't...you know, doing hero shit at the time.

Also, in all the books I read, she literally "Smiled and forgot her jealousy" over every single kid Zeus sired once they died and she met them.

Dad's do get pissed when you blind their kids. I think Odysseus did other things to piss him off as well. Plus, God of the Wind Aeolus did do them a solid to get Odysseus and his crew home, but said crew fucked that all up.

Zeus' thunderbolts were forged by the Cyclopes and Hecatoncheires in Tartaros, in conjunction with Poseidon's Trident and Hades' Helm of Darkness to defeat the Titans.

English writer: I'm afraid I'm goint to have to ask you to English better. XD

What do we CALL it when a player doesn't foul?

Not fucking up mostly. I've never known there to be a certain term for NOT fouling. Clean play comes to mind. As does playing clean, or fighting clean.

 

Camelot 3000 is not a future of the DC universe, just an alternate continuity.

One of the few futures that didn't get shoehorned in.

Currently the future of DC is Batman Beyond, Kommandi, Atomic Knights, Tommy Tomorrow and the Planeteers, Booster Gold, Electric Warrriors, Legion of Superheroes, and DC 1 Million.

 

Your making a common mistake, greek/roman myths have so many real versions you cant say this is the definitive answer. your answer can be equally as right as someone else who is using a different era/region's version. You seem to have read versions which paint Zeus in a more modern/heroic light, I'm not against that. Why do DC fanfic writers seem to almost universally agree Zeus and Ares are shit, while every other god can be explored? I'm more annoyed by the laziness of it then anything. So if Zoat does bring them in, i hope they are more then the card board cut out versions used by so many.

 

Almost every part of this assault mission is 'potentially fatal'. The line up chosen for it isn't exactly made of glass. If a mere act of crossing the portal onto the ship is potentially fatal then it doesn't matter whether they do it in a small group (or is it 'grape' if OL is towing them with his constructs?) or individually.

Re: Hal and killing. I meant whether he's allowed to kill in this particular mission or not? I ask because the first thing he does is blasting the weapons the sheeda guards were using (which made me think that he isn't allowed to kill) but then he blasted the head of that "prisoner" when it turned out she was a Changeling (which made me think that he is). It's a dangerous assault mission, can he really pick to leave some enemies in fighting fit but not the others? Is he just inconsistent? Did Mr Zoat just make a typo/change his mind mid scene?

 

Didn't the GLC also decide that this was an internal conflict between humans? Are the GLs allowed to intervene in a temporal-political dispute between rival human factions?

 

'of illumination'

,not a lot of straight roads, no widespread light'

'need to'

Well dragons are depicted as greedy in myths, so it makes some sense.

'standing, green light'

Add a comma between standing and green.

'that they don't

 

Hahahahaha. I BET HE WAS!

 

Flash killing sophonts for the first time (in-story anyway, as far as I can recall) feels like it should have more emotional weight to it than it does. Maybe if we'd actually experienced the initial Sheeda invasion and what atrocities those left behind witnessed.

Glad Paragon figured out it was Malvolio quickly; it's an amusing parallel to Renegade having to deal with Starbreaker (who if he's a Sun-Eater should be a Controller mistake, I think). I don't think Guy is around but I'd like to see them face off.

 

Well there is this one sunny vampire fellow. He reeeeally disapproves of non-living tech. In a billion years or so he'll catch a bad case of Stealth Archer in the back

I am confused. Isn't the Castle Revolving in Earth atmosphere? Are Sheeda using a time / space portals instead of windows? Why would they keep them open? How would flying out through the portal help the A-team if they want to attack the Castle ship from the outside? Won't they just find themselves wherever (and whenever) this 'Malvolio' planet is? Or are we supposed to believe that this is yet another alt Earth? Is the Castle Revolving somehow orbiting several different Earths simultaneously?

Why didn't they bring Guy along?

I have a feeling we should start putting a definite article in front of his name. The guy man mainlined Ion and lived to tell the tale! If you emphasise The Bat and The Flash the why not The Guy - ya know which one

 

And the Sheeda even had zombies, so he would have been even more okay with it.

 

Thank you, corrected.

No, that's correct.

Lanterns are around for strategic mobility, and Guy is actually a lot more reluctant to kill than ex-air force pilot Harold Jordan.

 

Okay, not prisoners. And it looks like Barry is going to need some therapy when this is all over. Lots of therapy...

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I take it they're not near Earth anymore... Which may be a problem...

Oh, boy. I think I remember that from previous discussions of other Lanterns...

Not enough organic material, for one. Sheeda do have reasons for their Eldar-meets-Giger aesthetic...

So, Hal hasn't encountered this before. I wonder, if he tried to access somewhat more high-security files on this matter... What response would he get? I mean, Honour Guard rank probably gets him a decent security clearance, but this is probably above even that pay-grade.

Or whoever owns that satellite is too dangerous for them to risk annoying. Which makes me wonder why they're here.

Or another of Melmoth's little experimental worlds? There's nothing to say that Columbia was the only world he was using as a petri dish for his experiments.

And Barry, bringing them back on task. I assume that's Barry, focusing on something other than his little massacre. Seriously, he's honestly the least ready for something like this...

On the topic of manoeuvring thrusters... It's always a good idea to have a physical backup, if your primary drive system packs it in. Sure, your ship may be so massive that they have hardly any effect, but acceleration in space is hardly capped... As for the Justice League's laziness? I'm sure they don't want to shake up the status quo. A network like that could easily be seen as intrusive by many a government...

Honestly, Barry's got the right of it. This should be a minor concern. Grab a live captive Sheeda if you want to know what's up with it. Honestly, they're acting like a typical RPG player group, focusing on some random detail of the local setting instead of, you know, the evil lich summoning a zombie army. They're going to obsess over it until said army rolls over them and they go "What the hell, DM?!" in complete confusion...

...What.

Okay, someone's mainlining Will. Someone who's able to sense someone accessing another colour's elemental plane, and block it while physically attacking them... That's bad.

And objected quite emphatically. Oh, boy... One of the Guardians' mistakes again...

Thank you, Captain Obvious. Well, I suppose Diana and Barry needed the info... Though i suspect Diana has at least a little empathic sense capable of picking that up...

Oh, yes. You recognise this, don't you? Where's that DC Wiki... <Dig dig dig>

That's assuming you're still in the modern day. I mean, you checked, but how reliable was your equipment, really?

Ladies and Gentlemen: Lord Malvolio. And I notice that sneaky confirmation that the Guardians are staying hands-off on the Sheeda situation. Good to have that confirmed.

He's powerful enough in Will that it's like trying to fistfight a hurricane. If he decides to act, you'll be snuffed out like an ant...

And it's the mission you came here for. Just hope that Malvolio is content to ignore you for now. If he gets curious, maybe aim him at the Sheeda?

Presumably he's just omitting details to cover up what he does know. Or he honestly doesn't remember too much more, even with the Ring's recall...

...Oh, hell. Yet... We've seen what happens to Spectrum-based tech in Starbreaker's presence on the renegade's side. Which means they're probably not planning to have him come and try to kill him.

Back on task, gentlemen and lady. You've got raiders to stop...

...Would the Sheeda even have space-fighters? Could their fly-steeds manoeuvre in vacuum? I know, magic, but...

Hopefully, this doesn't poke the 450-year-old dragon any further. Or backfire badly otherwise. Best hope is that the Sheeda are confused as to how there are two different coloured Lanterns flying around.

Well... That escalated quickly. Here's hoping that nothing else pops up, or this will turn into a huge fustercluck...I get the feeling this will end with a meeting with Malvolio, and with any luck, the Sheeda's defeat.

 

No, that was Jordan.

 

Wyrm is another word for dragon.

Dragons tend to be seen as greedy beings, and Paul is both greedy and part serpent, so...

To be fair that could have also been something else, like a New God using God-speech against them, or something like that and just being very determined, instead of it being green energy, but with this it is confirmed that it was a Green Lantern.

Diana may be just able to pick up on lies and the truth, though she has been practicing her more esoteric powers so it may be possible.

Malvolio's not exactly an all that known figure, even to longtime fans.

I'm picturing something similar to what the renegade and that British guy had to do to win over Morgan le Fay, that being a death match.

He is from a period where something like that would have happened, so it's not exactly that much of a stretch.

 

To be fair, it might have been a result of one of the times the whole history of the DCU changed, rather than some writer just forgetting or not knowing that the ability to kill had been established.

Check the instant replay to make sure? Honestly, though, fouls don't happen all the time. That's like assuming that you go to a riot, and occasionally an Association Football match breaks out.

 

You wouldn't refer to it as 'having a clean sheet'?