1. Due to issues with external spam filters, QQ is currently unable to send any mail to Microsoft E-mail addresses. This includes any account at live.com, hotmail.com or msn.com. Signing up to the forum with one of these addresses will result in your verification E-mail never arriving. For best results, please use a different E-mail provider for your QQ address.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. For prospective new members, a word of warning: don't use common names like Dennis, Simon, or Kenny if you decide to create an account. Spammers have used them all before you and gotten those names flagged in the anti-spam databases. Your account registration will be rejected because of it.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Since it has happened MULTIPLE times now, I want to be very clear about this. You do not get to abandon an account and create a new one. You do not get to pass an account to someone else and create a new one. If you do so anyway, you will be banned for creating sockpuppets.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. If you wish to change your username, please ask via conversation to tehelgee instead of asking via my profile. I'd like to not clutter it up with such requests.
    Dismiss Notice
  5. Due to the actions of particularly persistent spammers and trolls, we will be banning disposable email addresses from today onward.
    Dismiss Notice
  6. We have added another rule, please check the Rules post for more information.
    Dismiss Notice
  7. Due to some issues with Freenode, the QQ IRC Channel is moving. See here for more information.
    Dismiss Notice

With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

Loading...
  1. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    7,484
    Likes Received:
    67,546
    I think he sees him as useful but also annoying.

    He probably touched them a lot when they were a young species, and that explains why they're so messed up now.

    Or they're still in shock at finding out what Varathon did.
     
  2. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2016
    Messages:
    8,942
    Likes Received:
    363,155
    Show me on this doll where the Anti-Monitor touched you.
     
    kerleth, Vorian, Xmaster3000 and 13 others like this.
  3. NightmareWarden

    NightmareWarden Not too sore, are you?

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2015
    Messages:
    398
    Likes Received:
    1,530
    A show of hands, who thinks Paul will disregard his buddy’s order to stay silent? Before he inevitably gets discovered via costume damage.

    Now a more important question. This planet has more Qwa matter than anywhere in the positive matter universe. Paul is still vulnerable to it. What will Paul choose to do when he’s attacked with Qwa matter this chapter?
     
    Cuchulin and AngelicKnight. like this.
  4. NightmareWarden

    NightmareWarden Not too sore, are you?

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2015
    Messages:
    398
    Likes Received:
    1,530
    Cuchulin likes this.
  5. Nero200

    Nero200 Making the rounds.

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2014
    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    50
    Considering the last time it happened on this planet, he was mainlining Snek and controlled the stuff himself?
    Probably make a very good case for why our favourite ex-High Weaponer is working with him.

    (If control Qwa = Anti-Monitor Taught, then Paul = Anti-Monitor Taught, then Kalmin + Paul = double plus good? Hard to tell with this lot what mental Olympics they will pull.)
     
    Cuchulin likes this.
  6. DAT_NOOB

    DAT_NOOB Accused of writing in a far away land

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    496
    Likes Received:
    1,677
    Plants are a part of everything?
     
  7. theaceoffire

    theaceoffire Not too sore, are you?

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2017
    Messages:
    441
    Likes Received:
    4,511
    I'm not going to say anything political, or at least I'm going to try not to, but let's just say I've seen actual evidence where political unity has had a large group of people say that they're outraged, then support the status quo anyway.
     
    kerleth, Vorian, Rebu and 7 others like this.
  8. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

    Joined:
    May 10, 2017
    Messages:
    873
    Likes Received:
    4,275
    Yeah...even more troubling when you take into account that crumbler tech has shown itself to be one of the, if not the, most powerful tech in the universe.

    Shits all over power ring constructs, might be able to destroy rings and lantern batteries.

    The only thing that has told it to piss off thus far is magic.
     
    Cuchulin and zeebza like this.
  9. Ngamer11

    Ngamer11 I trust you know where the happy button is?

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2019
    Messages:
    950
    Likes Received:
    4,387
    Not entirely true. Ablative shields are adequate so long as you are able to prevent the user from firing multiple rounds or using whatever crumbler device they have in their possession multiple times.
     
    Vorian, Cuchulin, Ardy and 2 others like this.
  10. Steelplaza

    Steelplaza Custom Title

    Joined:
    May 12, 2015
    Messages:
    98
    Likes Received:
    445
    Anti-Monitor

    You know, we get used to some pretty ridiculous terms in reading superhero comics. Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, the Flash... the ridiculousness sort of fades after a while. You get used to it.

    But man oh man, sometimes it's worth thinking about it. "Anti-Monitor". Okay, I mean you remember where that term comes from? There was a character called "the Monitor" in Crisis on Infinite Earths, and they called him that because he was monitoring everyone. When it came time to introduce his enemy and opposite, they called him the Anti-Monitor.

    Okay. Here's an interesting quote from the Anti-Monitor's wikipedia article.

    This actually suggests something interesting. The SI may be getting an incorrect translation of the Anti-Monitor's name every time Kalmin talks. Kalmin is actually calling him "the Monitor" or if you wanted to expand the concept to many words, "the one who watches over everything". Appropriate for what someone would call their deity. So why does the SI hear "Anti-Monitor" when a ring translation is usually perfect? Well, it's because the power ring is Malthusian technology, and they have a special relationship with the Monitor and the Anti-Monitor. To them, their guy is "the Monitor" born on Oa's moon. The other guy is the antithesis of that, the anti-Monitor, and the Malthusians won't suffer their technology to call him "Monitor" even though that is what Kalmin is actually calling him. They made the ring translate it as "Anti-Monitor".

    Fascinating, eh?
     
  11. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2019
    Messages:
    320
    Likes Received:
    1,995
    Also, crumbler gauntlets are short range, and crumbler railgun rounds are fast only at personal ranges, and are not FTL weapons, unlike cold guns or purple death rays.

    While powerful, they're not that good at capital ship scale fights for conventional forces. For boarding parties and marine use, they're quite handy though.
     
    Rebu and NightmareWarden like this.
  12. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2015
    Messages:
    2,123
    Likes Received:
    5,249
    Crumbler gauntlets are also supposed to be psychic weapons...
     
  13. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2019
    Messages:
    320
    Likes Received:
    1,995
    "Crumbling Glove: The Crumbler wears a glove that operates from the energy from his central nervous system. The glove allows The Crumbler to cancel the force that binds atoms together."

    Vae, while it is a little more detailed on the energy type, it's not directly stated to be psychic. It could just be mentally controlled for operation rather then psychically powered, as the wording isn't exactly specific. Don't think they ever went into anywhere near the level of detail on how the magic pain glove thing worked in the comics, so we're left for the WTR canon understanding of the device for this story. Paul's been sticking cloned brain cells in the neural chaff grenades, but he's been using the Crumbler stuff a little bit before he got his hands on those.

    The Crumbler himself was never described as psychic, and Paul has mentioned that the Top was in fact a psychic speedster when he encountered him. For all we know this really is the Anti-monitor's handy-work and simply inspired the man.
     
  14. Threadmarks: Anti-Thesis (part 16)
    Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2016
    Messages:
    8,942
    Likes Received:
    363,155
    11th July 2012
    15:57 GMT


    Varnathon is… Plain-looking. Aside from a bronze-coloured cranial cybernetic on the right side of his forehead, I don't think I'd look at him twice if I passed him on the street. Kalmin is short and muscular, and glares at everything around him as if its existence offends him. Which it probably does. Varnathon's calm and polite smile makes me think of an actor or a politician of the Tony Blair school. Though I will at least credit him with the intelligence to use empathic shielding, because I can't tell for certain.

    His flying head robots take up station just ahead of him as Kalmin reaches for his qwa bolt. The blue one stops just in front of Kalmin.

    "Kalmin, High Weaponlord, deposed. Most notable projects-."

    Illustres, kill it.

    I trigger my armour's flight systems and lunge at the robot, grabbing it with both hands-

    "Unknown automato-."

    -and triggering my crumbler gauntlets. The flying blue head's protective energy fields preserve it for a few seconds, then the material of its construction begins to abrade. The facial armour peels away slowly, but the more vulnerable systems built into the rear vanish almost immediately. I shut down the crumbler effect when all I have in my hands is a scoured mask, which I toss at Kalmin's feet before returning to my corner.

    Varnathon holds his breath as he looks at the broken mask, then takes a deep breath before putting the same smile as before back onto his face.

    "Strategos wasn't a battle automaton. And frankly, aren't we both a little old for 'robot wars'?" He shrugs, and smiles condescendingly. "Though if you want to give me a few days I'm sure I can come up with something?"

    "Qwa matter, Varnathon. Explain yourself!"

    "I'm really not sure that I understand your problem, Kalmin." Varnathon looks upwards at the Councillors. "Does the Anti-Monitor himself not command us to destroy all with his gifts? Yes, I freely admit that I sold qwa matter and qwa energy based weaponry to these... Aliens. What of it? The secrets of its utilisation and creation remain ours. All they can do is use what I've provided them. And consider who they're fighting! A new Lantern Corps, sworn to the Maltusians, the very people who cast down the Anti-Monitor! I am only surprised that a man as faithful as Kalmin does not see the glory of it."

    He stops, swivelling on the spot to stare directly at Kalmin.

    "Oh! But of course! He joined them, didn't he?"

    The green floating head that had hung back turns upwards and fires a small bolt of plasma at Kalmin's projector before projecting its own hologram of our meeting with Kalmin.

    I wonder where he got the recording from? I mean, it would make sense for him to keep his predecessor under observation, but I doubt that Kalmin would be so negligent as to fail to check for things like that. Ex… Cept that he wanted to die and thought that Varnathon should kill him. So he might have left an opening deliberately.

    Kalmin raises his hands slightly.

    "Do you see a ring here, Varnathon? I've studied power ring technology for years. I don't use other people's weapons. And besides, I've already been cast down. I don't dispute that I'm unsuitable for office."

    "If I must defend my actions, I've been trading qwa matter to better enable aliens to destroy one another. I think that we've long been too conservative in our use of the substance and I'm perfectly within my authority as High Weaponlord to make this change." He looks up again. "Unless anyone wants to dispute my right to trade the products of my own labour?"

    "Destroy one another? They are using it as simply another weapon!"

    "And so do we. That's literally all it can be used to do: destroying things."

    Kalmin's face falls slightly and he stares directly at Varnathon.

    "That's all it is to you?"

    "That's all it is to any of us." Varnathon doesn't appear to pay any attention to the change in Kalmin's demeanour, continuing to focus on the crowd. "We can forge it into bolts to be thrown. We can bind small amounts to blades to create melee weapons of astonishing power. But that's it. We don’t… What? Mine with it? Drill with it? Use it as a scouring agent to clean the floors? No, the idea is absurd. I put it in alien hands. And by doing so I gained a new flow of raw materials and novel technologies, and an in with another enemy of the Green Lantern Corps."

    "You-? Varnathon, are you able to forge bolts yourself?"

    He stops and looks at Kalmin, but he's not letting himself get angry or look anything other than totally confident in the situation.

    "I didn't realise you were challenging me on the strength of my ability to perform apprentice work. I have admitted to trading qwa matter. If the Council think that's worth overthrowing me over, they can. As for the educational curriculum, I freely admit to having different priorities than my predecessors." He makes an exaggerated shrug. "So what? Just about every High Weaponlord before me has made some change or other. I believe -and Thunderlord Brikan agrees- that discipline and obedience are more useful traits in Thunderers than personal ferocity and initiative. If anyone here disagrees then I'm willing to discuss it with them, but I hardly see that as a justification for these… Histrionics. Now if there's nothing else, I have work-."

    Kalmin summons qwa energy, and over the next ten seconds forms it into a qwa bolt.

    "The ability to manipulate qwa energy is what separates us from alien chattel. It is a sign that the Anti-Monitor has marked us out. The idea that you can manipulate qwa energy sickens me, but you have the rank of Weaponer. You must be able to. The Anti-Monitor must at some point have considered you worthy of his blessing."

    Kalmin holds out his newly created bolt slightly, inviting the audience to check it.

    "Make a qwa bolt, Varnathon."

    "Kalmin, you've lost. This is-."

    "Make a qwa bolt, Varnathon."

    "This is mildly insulting and also quite sad." Varnathon shakes his head. "Where do you think I got the qwa matter I traded to the Reach?"

    Weaponer Lysis steps away from the wall a little way.

    "Make a qwa bolt, Varnathon."

    "Make a qwa bolt, Varnathon."

    Varnathon shakes his head and spreads his arms. "Councillors, really?"

    A few frowns, a few nods.

    He sighs theatrically. "Very well, then." He holds out his hands in front of him. "I freely admit that it's not my strongest skill, but…" He turns his hands palms up and curls his fingers slightly in a gripping motion. "As you can see…" Faint wisps of energy appear between his fingers. "I'm perfectly capable…" It's still weak, but it's getting stronger, flowing outwards into the form of the traditional qwa bolt. "Of forging a qwa bolt. See?"

    Kalmin doesn't look impressed.

    "Robot."

    "Directive, Weaponer?"

    "Come here."

    I walk up to him and he holds out the bolt he just forged.

    "Take this."

    Inside my armour I put up the strongest construct shields between my right arm and my brain that I can before reaching out with my right hand and taking it from him. There's a faint… I can only describe it as a humming sensation, but it otherwise handles like a solid object of its apparent dimensions.

    "Further directive, Weaponer?"

    "Go and stand in the corner."

    "Compliance."

    I walk backwards until I reach the edge of the room. Kalmin nods, then returns his attention to Varnathon.

    "You see, Varnathon, that's how it's supposed to work. I admit, after I was deposed, I spent a good deal of time working on my skill at qwa energy manipulation. I might not be the most skilled here, but I am very good. I don't expect you to be as good as me. But I do expect you to be able to forge a single bolt. And if that's your bolt, why not deactivate your personal forge and show us?"
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2021
  15. Sockmonkey

    Sockmonkey Not too sore, are you?

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    414
    Likes Received:
    2,167
    Also the skin of that lady space pirate. What was her name? Estrogena or something.
    frankly it's weird that crumbler tech works on constructs since they aren't made of matter.
    I think it must work on a deeper level messing with whatever aspect of DC reality uses to define a thing as "solid" for it to affect constructs.
    Do kinetic barriers stop it?
     
  16. Nioz

    Nioz Know what you're doing yet?

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2016
    Messages:
    196
    Likes Received:
    405
    Ahahahaha, Varnathon is sooooo fucked here xD
     
  17. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    7,484
    Likes Received:
    67,546
    It probably does.

    Yep.

    'makes'

    I can see little Varni and little Kalm here building death bots in Qwardian kindergarten.

    'at the'

    He's got a point.

    'realise'

    A dick measuring contest, or more specifically a qwa bolt measuring contest, will decide what happens here.
     
  18. Z000

    Z000 If this is trash, then find me in the dumpster

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2014
    Messages:
    2,027
    Likes Received:
    5,043
    huh, why haven't Kalmin make a Qwa ring yet if the stuff can be shape and molded like that

    oh sure, it not a Color energy but it would be the biggest middle finger ever and revolutionize how they use the stuff
     
  19. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    7,484
    Likes Received:
    67,546
    He may consider it heretical to have it in the shape of a weapon that was used by the people who defeated their god.
     
  20. Z000

    Z000 If this is trash, then find me in the dumpster

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2014
    Messages:
    2,027
    Likes Received:
    5,043
    then take it and beat them with it

    that my go to response in this sort of situation

    heretical sure, but the look on their face as you destroy them with their own weapon that is running on your stuff is very nice
     
  21. Tyrantviewer

    Tyrantviewer lord of all I survey

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2015
    Messages:
    162
    Likes Received:
    577
    Qwa energy is litterally part of his religion, it is the mark of his people to be able to weild it, he would never make a tool that would allow anyone to use the stuff- heck he is against selling tech using to people, why make a more potent weapon with it for others?
     
  22. Ancalador

    Ancalador Know what you're doing yet?

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2016
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    840
    But what would he do with it? It won't generate anything itself, he would have to take it off and throw it at someone/thing and there are far better shapes to do that with.
     
  23. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    7,484
    Likes Received:
    67,546
    And Kalmin isn't you, so he may think that the shock value is not worth committing such heresy.

    The guy takes his faith seriously.

    Unless he makes it so that it generates qwa energy and fires it.
     
  24. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2018
    Messages:
    1,974
    Likes Received:
    6,801
    It’s reasonable to assume that’s what anti-green lantern rings are. Maybe he just hasn’t done it because he feels no need to.
     
    ChestBurster, Cuchulin and Darko like this.
  25. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2016
    Messages:
    8,942
    Likes Received:
    363,155
    Thank you, corrected.

    The shape of qwa bolts isn't deliberate; that's the shape they take when qwa energy in those quantities is formed into qwa matter.
     
  26. Chojin Patriarch

    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    1,083
    Likes Received:
    17,225
    Don't be fooled. The most evil mind can be hidden behind a plain face. Varnathon must have some measure of talent to have gained the rulership of Qward, and I suspect underestimating him will prove to be a mistake...

    Chatty, isn't it? No doubt it has a concealed shield generator and programming to serve as a disposable bodyguard.

    Good to see his armour is disguise enough to fool even a tactical drone, no doubt laden with all manner of sensors.

    And the best part of Crumbler tech? No mess to clean up after, not even ash.

    Yes, I'm sure you could. He's not quite as smarmy a bastard as Melmoth was, but seeing him get his will be satisfying.

    I suspect the only reason Kalmin hasn't shoved his Qwa-bolt somewhere Varnathon would not enjoy is morbid curiosity... Just how deeply has he damned himself, basically.

    Cocky, and possibly misguided. I don't doubt the Reach are studying Qwa-energy and how to reproduce it. They might not succeed anytime this century, but don't put it past them to have their own Malign Hyper-cognitives...

    Oh, turning to mud-slinging already, are we?

    Never underestimate the bad guys' ability to get camera footage from their downright magical security devices. Such a lazy trope, but sometimes entirely justified...

    Indeed. He's not here to reclaim the throne (so to speak.) He's here on a religious matter.

    Andrew Ryan, you are not, Varnathon. But he does have an honest point... I can't believe I just said that, but yes...

    It's not like it's the Anti-Monitor's blood or something like that. At least, I hope it isn't, that raises all manner of metaphysical questions...

    Oh, he is a persuasive git, isn't he. I bet any number of councillors are nodding their heads in agreement...

    So he thinks he has a plan, something he can turn against Varnathon, eh? Let's see where he's going with this.

    So he's pruning the cream of the Q'ardajin crop in favour of mediocrity? What of the creative and inventive future Weaponers he's throwing away? Does he consider Qward to have reached a pinnacle of destructive technologies? Does he honestly believe Qward has, if you will, found 'Enuff Dakka'? What an arsehole.

    I take it such a demonstration is a minimum testing requirement. And I have to wonder how many prospective Weaponers tried and failed to work Qwa-matter... And how many survive the attempt.

    Ah, is he hoping Varnathon will fuck up and accidentally fry himself with a failed bolt? It would be a prime demonstration of his worthlessness.

    Do it, or this bolt finds a sheath in your black heart...

    Can we get the whole Chamber calling him out? Let's see!

    Dangit, that would have been so damn satisfying.

    He's cheating, isn't he? Using the Qwardian equivalent of an Omni-tool to shape it?

    Oh, this should be good. After all, what use is a weapon if none but the maker can hold it?

    Oof, I can imagine there'd be a hint of fear in OL here. After all, it's not so long ago that he was killed by such energy. And likely not nearly so much as is condensed into a single Bolt.

    Hmm... I wonder if Varnathon can manage to match that...

    Well, you git? What now? I bet Varnathon's sweating a little now.

    Ha, knew it. He doesn't trust his own skills to be capable of matching Kalmin. I wonder if he'll even try?

    So, Varnathon's next move is going to be one of several things: He shapes a Qwa-Bolt, and manages to do as good a job as Kalmin did. He tries and fails, likely destroying himself in the attempt. Or he doesn't try, and simply takes a shot at Kalmin... And Kalmin probably knows exactly which he'll attempt, I suspect. The question then is, how long until Kalmin's pulling Varnathon's head off? :p
     
  27. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    7,484
    Likes Received:
    67,546
    It's a chapter involving politics.

    Of course it's going to have mud-slinging in it.

    And in this case it kinda is magical.

    Well clarketech to be exact.

    To be fair by sabotaging their society he's inadvertently making sure that the Anti-Monitor, should he return, will not have the best and most capable servants, and that the new Weaponers may not be competent enough to create more advanced weaponry that can be used on innocents.

    All in all, Qward may lose but everyone else kinda wins.

    And if he thinks that they have reached a pinnacle in destructive technologies, then he may be kinda right.

    They're certainly much further along than everyone else in that department.
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2021
  28. Handlewithcare

    Handlewithcare I trust you know where the happy button is?

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2019
    Messages:
    869
    Likes Received:
    8,186
    There are three possibilites. Either Varnathon managed to fool all these high ranking people and then they are incompetent.

    Or he didn't and they all overlooked it for personal gain and then Kalmin and Paul are vastly outnumbered.

    Or he has been subverted by the Reach, which might also explain his excellent oratory skills. His culture doesn't seem to be big on smooth talking.
     
  29. moralrelativity

    moralrelativity Recovering pendant.

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    471
    Likes Received:
    2,117
    These are all good points. TBH, it could be a mix of all of them. V did managed to fool some incompetent ones, and others have been complicit for the personal gains, and V has been influenced/enabled in all this by the Reach who are, as we know, master manipulators.
    EDIT: The more I think about this the more I believe the Reach are behind it all.
     
    ChestBurster, Cuchulin, Ardy and 2 others like this.
  30. WereDragon

    WereDragon Bookwyrm

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2020
    Messages:
    154
    Likes Received:
    677
    Anyone else get the feeling Paul would be much better off working with Varnathon than Kalmin?
     
Loading...