With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I like this, quite a lot.

... yeah, this is pretty consistent with how aliens are depicted in DC (and other superhero settings).

 

Yeah, but making everyone just is actually really simple. Just mind control them / burn an absolute code of honor into their belief systems. The ring can obviously do that. It can brand honor into people.
However, there are consequences, which is what Paul is trying to teach.

 

In normal, every-day conversation, "Anything" does not typically mean absolutely every single possible thing, just a very wide or unhindered range of things.

And it's a power ring, it can do a damned lot, and a damned lot more if you know what, specifically, you need to want.

 

Also, Paul’s probably right, in that with an unlimited amount of desire, and clever application, a power ring could probably literally do anything. E.G. scan the entire universe, calculate what needs to possibly be done to achieve a given goal, sneakily rewrite destiny’s book by moving the ink around on the page (since it seems to be a physical substance), take a 5th dimensional being’s power, mind control a god by physically rewriting their brains through brain surgery / rearrangement of neurons (even if normal brainwashing doesn’t work, a power ring could probably do this through branding a god, and forcing them to not resist wanting things by affecting their brain chemistry beforehand), etc...

Not sure how many of these ideas actually work, but a lot of them would make power rings too powerful if they had enough energy.

 

On another tack, I'm still not really a fan of how the stuff with Xor has played out. But that's mostly because I think he should have been convicted and that the self-defense argument just wouldn't have been applicable for him.

So him already being out and about and an Orange Lantern rankles me.

 

I imagine that he was let off because so much evidence of Hardcastle messing up was found by the Justice League. Xor is probably still not liked by anyone on Earth, it's just that they can't legally prosecute Xor because of... I'm gonna go with extenuating circumstances.

 

Your opinion is shared by a great many people in US 16.

No, they did prosecute him. The defence won, largely on the grounds that 1) the original police attack on him was illegal and 2) he only attacked people who attacked him first.

 

There's no way short of the prosecutor purposefully throwing the case in tandem with the judge being corrupt that the police attack would have been considered illegal.

See, you're forgetting that Xor wasn't in the country legally and that most superpowers are classed as deadly weapons.

 

"Lets set a legal precedent for superpowers being considered lethal weapons, i'm sure nothing bad will happen!"
- A judge who just set the world on a course for a Days of Future Past-style dystopian future.

 

Yeeeah...the odds of that happening in an American courtroom are slim as all hell. Between giving a warning, and "feeling" our lives were in danger. They'd be completely covered.

Not sure how it works on your side of the pond. I mean over here, cops have burst into the wrong house after improperly executing a search warrant and they still didn't even get a slap on the wrist.

Hell, I've never even HEARD of an "illegal" police attack. Excessive force, sure, but straight up illegal?

 

I think the first should be changed to "There is a fire in the house." otherwise the second doesn't make sense.

 

Still got six years before I can talk about the obvious case here, but US 16 has a wrinkle real police don't have to worry about. Superheroes might break into places all the time but they don't shoot people. One or two incidents of well-respected superheroes publically stating that they were withdrawing their support from police forces they thought were getting a bit trigger happy resulted in the guidelines concerning the application of force getting tightened up.

Edit: And as mentioned in the original confrontation, Idaho versus Weaver.

No, I think it's reasonable to assume that a house on fire has fire in it.

 

Anyone else getting pissed that evrey schmuch in the galaxy seems to have a way to no sell lantern rings, like....really?

 

Ah, but in some countries pillows are, and possibly fists in others. You can demonstrate fists can be lethal weapons for non-super powered people, and say he was using fists, therefore using lethal weapons.

 

Given we know that people used their superpowers to kill that precedent is already set.

Contrary to forum fanon, Lantern Rings aren't really that big of a thing...

And I include the non-canon extra versatile less emotionally corrupting AI can handle everything Zoat version of Lantern Rings in that statement.

The only real exception to that are White Rings, which are less Lantern Rings and more reality alteration devices.

 

gutter fires, roof fires.

think its pedantic, but i know multiple people for whom house insurance said did not count, despite smoke damage.

 

Fair enough.

I suppose with Supers running around, things would simply have to be different.

Mmm...yeah, have been for a while. I've just come to accept that OL's ring is incredibly weak. I'm honestly surprised when he actually defeats a villain with the ring, rather then some other gadget or someone else doing it for him. A long time ago I brought up the fact that OL's bullets seem to be more powerful than any construct he can cook up.

Hell, I don't even think he bothers using constructs much at all anymore. Pity, I rather liked his 4 corners sonic attack from, well damn, his first real fight.

But after his curbstomping and murder at the hands of the Angel of War (and his utter lack of reaction to what happened) I have little to no confidence in OL during a fight.

Other then, you know, canonically stated to be the most powerful weapon in the universe, with NO known upper limit. I mean...

Energy Conduit

Energy Projection

Force Fields

Energy Construct Creation

Superhuman Strength: with either a force field or construct.

Phasing

Environmental Playback

Invisibility and Light Refraction

Energy Twin

Energy Absorption

Flight

Wormholes and Spacial Warps

Time Travel

Limited Cellular Regeneration

Electromagnetic Scanning

Galactic Encyclopedia

Universal Translator

Material Alteration

Ring Duplication

Emergency Beacon

Homing Beacon

Mind Alteration

Pocket Dimension

Preset Conditions: Commands can be stored in the ring to be executed at a later date even if the bearer is not wearing the ring.

Resurrection

Thought Relay

What utter pieces of trash right? I mean, what with their stated ability to do, and I QUOTE, ahem..."ANYTHING" their wearer can think of, and has the Emotion to power.

 

They are known as the most versatile tool, not the most powerful weapon.

That's the power battery not the power ring.

Not as powerful as assumed because it relies solely on the mind of the wielder.

Only Blue rings.

No, they can't.

They allow access to already existent wormholes and spacial warps, they don't allow you to create them.

Not actually a thing power rings themselves are shown able to do.

Only White rings.

 

you sure it wasn't a golden age thing?

 

Yup, that was just some guy on the Wiki taking the fact the rings generate uniforms to mean they can alter matter.

Which was rather ignoring that the uniform is just a construct generated by said ring, hence it disappearing when the ring looses power.

 

Hm.

Interesting. I wonder what manner of evil plot is going on here.

 

Yeah... giving powers to someone at random and hope that makes them loyal to you rarely works out unless you can xut out their powers out anytime you want.

 

Xor needs to learn advanced movement techniques, that delay could be fatal.

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Oooh, nasty.

This ain't a game, kid.

Mean move, nice.

Interesting. A subconscious system to maintain created objects?

And once OL has time to focus and think, the fight is done. Nice.

That looks martian, it's even shapeshifting sl-.

Seeing a double space here, at least in the reply box. Could be a non-displaying character?

Chock full of rage. If not for the Wiki link last chapter, I would have thought Rankorr, from the Red Lanterns (post flashpoint, admittedly.)

Pysiological stimulus via endorphin release to encourage power use? Insidious.

"Called themselves the Controllers!"

Damn straight what.

So he was remotely aimed? Oh this just gets better and better.

Seriously, what does he think this is, Call of Duty?

Because unlike you, kid, he's not a psychopath, artificial or otherwise. (well, outside of Orange Enlightenment.)

"That ship has no guns, minimal shields and minimal armour.

You could easily have disabled it and taken the crew captive."

No sensory enhancements? sounds like someone tried to make a cheap knockoff of a lantern.

And then Hinon experiences enough Rage to qualify her for a red ring...

Seriously, someone's ass is getting handed to them for this. If not FED to them...

 

This... Could be someone besides Martin van Wyck. The Malthusian ship with the burner, and rise of the OLC, might lead to an experimentation with more of an end goal besides 'let' s see what happens'.

 

A group of Controllers decided that inefficiently being evil is the best way to SCIENCE!

I'm gonna call them Cauldron until we get an official name.

 

Typo - "are you sure..."

 

Thank you, corrected.

No, he skipped the 'they' because his speech is informal.

Rankorr is a stupid character and I will never use him.

 

Remember, it was mentioned that Time Trapper was a Controller.

 

On a scale of 1 to 'retconning Ysmault to Sector 2814', how stupid is he?