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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Darko said:
That may not be such a good idea.

Santa in DC isn't always a nice guy.

There was an omake where Constantine didn't want to tell Zatanna what happened with him, so it's safe to assume that he's either dead, or isn't such a good guy.
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I think he's referring to the time he smoked the dusted skeletal remains of the historical or fictional saint who some assume to be one of the basis for Santa Claus.
 
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Ngamer11 said:
I think he's referring to the time he smoked the dusted skeletal remains of the historical or fictional saint who some assume to be one of the basis for Santa Claus.
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I think it may have been something else.

In a Lobo comic I think Santa was basically a slave owner that kept his elves starved, so maybe it was about that.

Though on a side note I had no idea John did that, yet I can easily imagine him going that.

Well at least we know that Kipling isn't the only amoral, alcoholic British magician that put the remains of a dead guy in their mouth.

For Kipling it was Michelangelo's ashes, and for Constantine it was the bones of Saint Nicholas.

I just hope he used it for a spell, like Kipling did to shield that kid, instead of just smoking them for the sake of smoking, which I can totally see hom doing.
 
Vaermina said:
Untill you stock the good and evil Kara back together.
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Unless, of course, black kryptonite turns them evil without splitting them in two here, right? Because that would be far from unprecedented and would match what we've seen so far quite well... but when have little things like those ever stopped you?
 
Darko said:
Though on a side note I had no idea John did that, yet I can easily imagine him going that.

Well at least we know that Kipling isn't the only amoral, alcoholic British magician that put the remains of a dead guy in their mouth.

For Kipling it was Michelangelo's ashes, and for Constantine it was the bones of Saint Nicholas.

I just hope he used it for a spell, like Kipling did to shield that kid, instead of just smoking them for the sake of smoking, which I can totally see hom doing.
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I looked it up and it was in Hellblazer #247. He used it for a ritual and then snorted it when he was done.
 
Mr Zoat said:
I look at the place where Nylor Truggs used to be.
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Not surprising. Incredibly disappointing from a narrative standpoint, but not surprising.

I think what annoys me most is that Paul could deal with Truggs if he bothered to actually try. QW scan would find him. Manual examination of the entire Earth would find him. Ripping info from the minds of Light members would at the very least point in his direction.

Paul is clearly enraged by Truggs. To the point of using petty maiming rather than Branding and dumping him on the floor rather than putting him somewhere secure. Yet he isn't willing to expend the effort to solve the problem.
 
Mr Zoat said:
She shakes her head. "I don't think he'd pick up the phone again."

"Not without hands, no."
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I laughed. :V


And here's something from a very old update. I'm not sure if there's an error or if it's a manner of speech I'm unaware of.
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After he finished talking to Lantern Jordan I asked him about the possibility of one of them letting him charge from their personal lanterns in an emergency and apparently the Guardians have made it clear to them that is not allowed.
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Shouldn't the end be "that it is not allowed" or "that this is not allowed" ?
 
Constantine smoked St.Nicholas. Although honestly I think Odin contributed more to modern Santa than Old St. Nick did.

The Lobo issue was fictional even within the comic- it had people reading a comic in which Lobo killed Santa.

However in a Christmas special it showed Santa's origin- The last son of a cold old world, his scientist father sent him in a spaceship to a planet where he'd have abilities far beyond mere mortals, he threw a crystal into the snow of the North Pole where it erected a citadel embodying his dead planet. No villains to fight, no monsters to slay, bringing hope to children, one present at a time.

So Clark and his North Pole neighbor have a lot in common.

And Plastic Man told a child a story in which Santa joined the Justice League. With the nature of the infinite DC multiverses, that means there could be an alt.Paul in a world in which Santa is in the JL.
 
Stsword said:
Constantine smoked St.Nicholas. Although honestly I think Odin contributed more to modern Santa than Old St. Nick did.

The Lobo issue was fictional even within the comic- it had people reading a comic in which Lobo killed Santa.

However in a Christmas special it showed Santa's origin- The last son of a cold old world, his scientist father sent him in a spaceship to a planet where he'd have abilities far beyond mere mortals, he threw a crystal into the snow of the North Pole where it erected a citadel embodying his dead planet. No villains to fight, no monsters to slay, bringing hope to children, one present at a time.

So Clark and his North Pole neighbor have a lot in common.

And Plastic Man told a child a story in which Santa joined the Justice League. With the nature of the infinite DC multiverses, that means there could be an alt.Paul in a world in which Santa is in the JL.
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DC Santa is roughly as bullshit as silver age Kryptonians, I would not want to be dropped into a world with villains of the caliber that would require him being on the Justice League. He not only visits every good and naughty child on Earth, he visits every good and naughty child and adult in the universe.
 
jaelin910 said:
Unless, of course, black kryptonite turns them evil without splitting them in two here, right? Because that would be far from unprecedented and would match what we've seen so far quite well... but when have little things like those ever stopped you?
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Actually yes, it would be unprecedented.

Because that's never been how Black Kryptonite works. So Zoat would have to be making it up from scratch if it is.
 
Vaermina said:
Actually yes, it would be unprecedented.

Because that's never been how Black Kryptonite works. So Zoat would have to be making it up from scratch if it is.
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In Post-Crisis continuity, Black Kryptonite was used by Lex Luthor at the behest of Darkseid to expose Supergirl's true "nature". It had one of two effects, on Kara Zor-El it split her negative persona from her pure self as it does in Smallville. While in Kal-El's case he said it stripped him of his sanity, turning him evil for an undisclosed time.[1]​ In All-Star Superman Black-K has the effect of inverting the moral standard of the individual Kryptonian affected by it, turning Superman bad for a short time while also causing his abilities to weaken gradually alongside his mental acuity.[2]​
In Prime Earth continuity, The Batman Who Laughs used a modified version of it on his universe's Clark and Jon Kent to drive them into a killing frenzy, ripping apart their universe's Lois Lane and each other. He had previously used it on Supergirl, who tore her family to pieces before killing her.[3]​
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So while it does split kryptonians in good and evil in live-action, in comics most of the time (3 out of 4 times it was used) it just turns them evil.
Next time maybe do some basic googling
 
Mr Zoat said:
Which means that what I call 'kryptonite' and what you call 'kryptonite' might well be completely different crystals.
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Kryptonite isn't consistently represented as crystalline across continuities. It might be better to use "minerals" instead of "crystals" here.

Mr Zoat said:
Well meaning
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Usually "Well-meaning"

Sojiko said:
Shouldn't the end be "that it is not allowed" or "that this is not allowed" ?
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When you read it, pause for a moment before the word "that" so that you understand it as "They made it clear: that is not allowed." The punctuation in my example is for clarity; it's not necessary to be grammatically correct.
 
Darko mentioning Kipling made think of the possibility of Paul getting him, Ambrose, and any other trenchcoat wearing magician together to create a version of the Trenchcoat Brigade. That would good for a little fun. Even better, it might draw out John Constantine.
 
Future Tense (part 20)
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    18:22 GMT -6

    I yank the pizza delivery girl up into the air, the Hawaiians she was carrying falling to the ground.

    At least nothing of value was lost.

    It's noteworthy that she doesn't react with fear. Rather, she does a quick test of her bonds and then goes limp, waiting to see what happens.

    "You know, you're rather lucky."

    "'cause crazy people kidnap me?"

    "Because I found you ahead of the Chinese. Do you know what they do to Durlans?"

    "What? What's a 'Dulan'?"

    "Knock it off, Chameleon Boy. You didn't take the hint when I stopped Persuader killing Superman, but now you and yours are actually making my life difficult. The Chinese are really good at detecting Durlans, and their information sharing with the League covers the technology they use to do-"

    Giving it up as a bad job, she reverts to his neutral humanoid form. Looks like the clothes weren't part of his body.

    "-it. You can use your actual neutral form if you want; I know what it looks like."

    "That's not a good look around humanoids." He tests his construct bonds again. "What happened?"

    "Dana Dearden."

    "What's she doing here?"

    "I can only suggest that you ask Brainiac Five. I'm holding onto her coins until the four of you are back in the future where you belong."

    "That won't stop us coming back again."

    "Yes it will; this isn't your past any longer, something I'd have been happy to explain to you if you'd just asked."

    "'Not our'-? Is that why our communicators stopped working?"

    "I don't know what technology you use to communicate with the-." I wince. "It's not 'write a message and bury it', is it?"

    "We tried that when the normal way didn't work, but we haven't had a response."

    "And telepathy doesn't work worth a damn on Durlans because your minds can run on anything. How long have you been on Earth? In this era?"

    "We got here just ahead of Persuader."

    "'Just ahead-?"

    "Time travel." / "Time travel."

    I nod as I turn and fly across the town that the visiting members of the Legion of Superheroes have made into their base of operations.

    "I'll give you a full explanation when the three of you are together, but the reason for you being here has been rendered null and void."

    "Because you've already unmade our future?"

    "Because it's not this timeline's future any longer. Seriously, if we gave you a time machine and you returned to your era, you wouldn't see the things you remember."

    "That's what I said."

    I generate a construct rope and suspend it in the air in front of him. The upper part has 'future' written on it, and the bottom 'present'.

    "History. You arrived-"

    I generate an arrow construct to point at the upper part of 'present'.

    "-here. Krona and Time Trapper cut it off here."

    I cut it off above 'present' and move the 'future' away from it.

    "Your past has been restored already."

    I have the 'future' rope extend downwards, forming a 'present'.

    "And I don't know what our future looks like, but hopefully it involves fewer time travelling inconveniences. Probably won't involve the United Planets, because I'm going to devote a substantial portion of the next century to burning the Reach to the ground, but that's not your problem."

    I'm not sure whether Chameleon Boy usually does facial expressions, but he definitely isn't bothering now.

    "How do you know about this?"

    "Dana tried arresting me. With everything else that was going on, Justice League telepaths scanned her. Between her and Abra Kadabra's willing cooperation-."

    "He really comes from the seventieth century?"

    "Some point in the future, yes. So other than you, Magnet Boy and Saturn Girl, is there anyone else here? Anyone that Dana didn't know about?"

    "It's Cosmic Boy."

    "Does he manipulate magnetic fields or 'cosmic' fields?"

    "Magnetic, but that's still not his name."

    "Then he should have picked a name that's a little less risible."

    I nod as I see Angelika fly in our direction, a young woman I assume to be Saturn Girl-. Yes, that's the brain of a telepathic human. And a Belle Reve issue power suppression collar because we know what the brains of telepathic humans look like. Saturn Girl flying just ahead of her using her Legion flight ring.

    "Is there anyone else here? Because we've only got one time machine, so if we shove the four of you into it anyone else will be left behind."

    "No."

    "Now, we can't scan your brain, and Saturn Girl could probably keep us out if we weren't willing to inflict lasting psychological harm -and we're not- but I doubt that Magnet Boy is that resilient. Do you want to change your answer?"

    "No. Aside from Dana, there's no one."

    "Glad to hear it. What were you four even doing here, anyway?"

    "Trying to work out what went wrong."

    "And ignoring the fact that you're the ones from the bad future?"

    "Lots of bad things happened in the past. For me, the Reach occupation of Earth-."

    "Nine hundred years ago, and the Durlan Civil War was probably a bigger deal in your history class."

    "Yeah."

    "Good news! It's not your problem any more. Good luck with your future, and may you never darken our doors again."
     
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    generate a construct rope and suspend it in the air in front of him. The upper part has 'future' written on it, and the bottom 'present
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    Hmm, now I'm reminded of that Time Squad cartoon and the explanation Larry 3000 gave about time travel.

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    "Good news! It's not your problem any more. Good luck with your future, and may you never darken our doors again
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    I have a feeling that they're going to come back some day.
     
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    "Now, we can't scan you brain, and Saturn Girl could probably keep us out if we weren't willing to inflict lasting psychological harm -and we're not- but I doubt that Magnet Boy is that resilient. Do you want to change your answer?"
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    Paul: "We prevented your timeline from being the dominant timeline, so you actually can't go back to your own time, so we actually can't send you home, only to something that probably resembles it, but it's not our problem either, so get out."
    ...
    however far forward in the future
    ...
    New Future Hero Group: "Time Traveling without a license? That's illegal. Off to time jail with you."
    Old Future 'Hero' Group: "It wasn't illegal when we left!"
    New Future Hero Group: "And when did you leave?"
    Old Future 'Hero' Group: "It was now, but the timeline got altered so we didn't go to our home timeline."
    New Future Hero Group: "Well, that's not our fault now is it? Off to time jail."

    Somehow I expect they're going to be a problem for Paul in the future again.
     
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    "And I don't know what our future looks like, but hopefully it involves fewer time travelling inconveniences. Probably won't involve the United Planets, because I'm going to devote a substantial portion of the next century to burning the Reach to the ground, but that's not your problem."
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    It's worrying that Paragon doesn't realize how bad that is...

    Because the only time you don't have Time Travelers, in a universe where Time Travel is relatively easy, is when there's nobody left to travel through time...
     
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