With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Was Paul's thought and speech this red when he saw slaver Nabu being accepted by the Justice League? I can't remember.

Also, I get how Orange Enlightenment allows him to keep Avarice levels steady despite feeling this much rage. But why does he glow more Orange during his rage? Either Enlightenment allows him to steady his avarice regardless of external emotional influence or it doesn't, no?

 

No. He was too astonished.

Undirected need. When he wants to achieve an end but doesn't have a methodology, his environmental shield flares.

 

You know the truly sad part in all this?

If Zoat is at all maintaining Zeus's characterization from the comics, all Paragon should need to do to get Diana released from the duty is humble himself by making a direct and honest plea to Zeus.

 

Well if not for the man-crush on Hades, I'd think it's time for the Athena takes over Olympus and Ares becomes god of Death and War storyline from WW.

Although the first one could still happen, I suppose.

 

What’s Zeus’ character like in comics? I think it’s more positive but idek

 

Mixed bag sort of deal. He leads the pantheon and is against the Titans, but still sleeps around, tried to get into Wonder Woman's pants, and has numerous offspring, some of whom might turn evil.

 

Just read the 4 updates of this latest arc and I can't stop giggling. Zeus is in for a rude awakening.

 

The trying to get into Wonder Woman's pants thing was retconned.

 

I'm a little late seeing this, but I wanted to thank you for the very helpful and thorough reply!

Also one of those examples really has me scratching my head - "possessed by the Omega Effect?"

That's a thing? What does it even mean? Just like he gets to use it like Grayven or Darkseid? Or is it more than that?

 

Rather than KILLING Zeus, perhaps it would be best if he were to be placed under a Geas/Binding instead.....

 

The people saying Paragon should kill Zeus should really research what the end result of Zeus dying is.

 

Take two imaginings of a fanon-consistent Paula's reaction instead of a Paul's, and PM me in the morning.

 

The Omega Effect is an outside source of energy that several New Gods tried to claim.

Uxas's older brother, Drax, was the next in line.

Uxas entered with a suit designed by DeSaad to allow him to be the one who finally succeeded, which is what gave him the Omega Beams, the rock like skin, and Uxas took the "god name," ie adult name, Darkseid.

So the Omega Effect predates Darkseid, and will survive him.

Basically the same situation with Orion and the Astro-Force, Highfather and the Source, and Scott Free and the Anti-Life Equation.

The Astro-Force, Source, and ALE have all been shown to have their own personalities, but the Omega Effect either does not or is just passive enough it's never forced the issue.

 

What is the end result of Zeus dying? I don’t think Greek mythology has an ragnarock-like event or prophecy. If he dies, he that shouldn’t mean the end of the dynasty but just a new King

 

Things that happen for sure unless there's a Zoat retcon.

The Marvel Family loose their powers.

Things that have happened in the settings where he's died but might not because there are setting differences.

Darkseid get's a huge power boost as he put in place a trap thousands of years ago to absorb Zeus's essence/power when he died.

The First Born is freed to fulfill the prophecy and take the Throne of Olympus, where upon he absorbs many of the Olympians, turns the place into a nightmare realm, and starts a full on war of the gods that causes mass destruction and suffering across the mortal realm.

The Titan's are freed because Zeus's pact was the load bearing pillar keeping them asleep/dead.

 

One of the things I've noticed about Paul's enlightenment.

He very rarely gets angry. Because most of the day to day anger people have are ultimately, minor things. Stuff Paul is self aware enough to know he isn't that invested in, nor should he be. The "Why are you letting that take up space in your head rent free?" part of his philosophy. Either he cares enough about something to deal with it, or he doesn't.

But that means that when something does happen to get him angry (pops up in rage vision), it is also something that bothers him enough to want to dealt with. He doesn't do 'frustration' types of anger. He does 'I find this fundamentally offensive' anger.

Did Zeus just become an 'Agenda Item'?
An error in the way OL thinks the universe should work, that needs to be dealt with in one way or another?

Also, I remember a story where Zeus ended up getting killed, and the person who who either saw or arranged the deed made provision so his divinity went to Billy Batson (already linked to Zeus's divinity through the Z in SHAZAM as the bearer of Zeus's whatever.) Was that one of the alternate OL segments, or some other story entirely?

So you are saying OL needs to go to the three King-Angels, and demand a new god slaying sword as restitution for the one they destroyed in their unjust invasion earlier?

Honestly, that is something they really should have already done.
They were in the wrong, and even admitted such.
Restitution by making the injured party whole from your actions is par for the course.

This is a horrific idea. But also something that the Ophidian could potentially do, because it wouldn't be about power at all, but about authority. Zeus could be much more powerful, but that power operates under the framework the the universes laws, and she seems to be the Administrator of 1/7th of the universes emotions.

And like some of OL's early orange light techniques, even has a Exalted Charm name.
Extinction of Desire...

Why would he be dumb enough to do a straight fight?
When he decided to go toe to toe with Nabu he came at him obliquely.
Prepared the battleground, gathered allies.
Nabu didn't end up KO'd/Dead from Righteous Face Punching. He ended up mystically lobotomized.

If Paul was to take a swing at the king, I'd expect something like that Extinction of Desire above, or freeing/separating Metis from inside him, possibly in a way that has her take a good chunk of his power with her as she separates. And putting off the throwdown with Zeus until after he tracks down Constantine (who he is already looking for), on account of John being really good at that sort of thing; dealing with supernatural heavies by coming at them sideways.

Or it's personality is how Darkseid currently acts. Like Uxas had a different personality before all this, and either lost the battle of wills, or chose to jump off of the slippery slope for more power.

 

Paul should try getting Hera and the other Olympians that most favor Diana to help him, Zeus needs some serious spanking and not of the kind he is into.

 

I don't remember who said it, but it was mentioned that Zeus is still king because he's the strongest. So I'm unsure if even an alliance between several Olympians will be able to defeat him.

 

I actually faintly recalled that OL actually did this at least once. And tracked down the chapter.
He stripped a Famine Elemental of most of its connection to the Orange Light Spectrum, and it fell apart. And considering how often OL calls gods 'jumped up elementals'.., well, its definitely a option that has potential to work.

 

Oh, I wasn't talking about fighting or "taking him down". I was talking about politics and indirect methods of helping OL/punishing Zeus.

 

I do like the idea of Zeus marrying a polyamorous woman, but all this talk of Zeus being killed makes me wonder; who will Mantle Zeus if that happens?

 

Try to imagine something similar to God of War for when a god dies.

It was Absolute Power Sucks Absolutely.

Mantle's aren't a thing in this universe.

And Zeus marrying a polyamorous woman may not work since he doesn't like his wife having other partners.

 

Canis: I like where this is going.

 

That seems like it's missing something. I think you should add 'them', making it: "any way to threaten them".

You previously spelled his name as 'Ploutus'. Is this a change that you want to make, or a mistake?

What are the odds Canis knows or suspects what would happen if Zeus is killed and is hoping that he can see it in person?

 

Canis' thoughts: OH boy, deicide!

And wow does Zeus push Paul's button

 

Harsh.

I thought she'd know that.

Though I guess pagan gods may not have been an interest for her.

Yeah, but they could be just as bad if not worse than Zeus.

Remove 'any sort'

And he'd also probably be easily defeated by Zeus.

'lately, he'

No shit.

 

I almost feel like this is someone synchronity highwaying Paul away from looking for Constantine.
But that shouldn't work on him.

Only one I think could pull distractions like this is boss Smiley.

 

Man... Paragon's coming off as really pathetic here...

And what's worse? He's breaking his word to someone who's domain is Truth.

 

Thank you, corrected.