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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    'Getting shot of' ≡ 'getting rid of'.
    Thank you, corrected.
    Thank you, corrected.
     
  2. Sockmonkey

    Sockmonkey Not too sore, are you?

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    The fact that said demon is a Constantine pushes it past unwise and into "OHSHITSHITSHITSHIT" territory.
     
  3. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    It's like mixing AIDS and Covid into one super disease.
     
  4. Duke Long

    Duke Long Know what you're doing yet?

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    Huh, I guess it must just be an English thing.
     
  5. John Conner

    John Conner Your first time is always over so quickly, isn't it?

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    Hi I'm new to this story, so if this has been asked before I apologize. Is there a copy of this story posted anywhere with the Graven chapters stripped out or posted as there own thread? I've been reading this and it's a bit jarring to go to the next chapter and find that it's an entirely separate story. Therefore it would be a bit easier to read if the two stories where in their own threads.
     
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  6. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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    Welcome to the madhouse, and don't mind the T-800's John. They just want your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle.

    As far as I know there are copies of the story up to relatively recent date in downloadable formats, but I'm not sure any of them filter out Grayven, or any of the other Alternate Lantern and Omake stories. You can generally tell by the white or red text which are Paragon and Renegade story arcs and try to skip ahead based on that. That's about all I can suggest.

    As for it....eh...Grayven starts off rough but grows into being a decent story a little later on. I can see skipping it for clarity but it's still a good read once he gets going.
     
  7. Coda

    Coda I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I like where you're going with this word.

    At a speculative level, I think if it were an attested word it would probably be "inhorcism" based on the original root words. I could also see "insorcism" as a legitimized eggcorn as if the root were "sorcery" instead of "horkos".

    Ah, abjad-based languages. I was going to correct this to "Suleiman bin Daoud", but this spelling is attested too!

    He's making fun of the fabric, saying the guy's clothes and turban are made out of a pair of curtains.
     
  8. Threadmarks: False Dawn (part 14)
    Mr Zoat

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    8th November 2012
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    "…fury of a storm is simply not possible!"

    I nod as Haroun the dream chaser gesticulates to emphasise his point.

    "'Not possible' as in 'no one has ever done it and it would be immensely difficult' or 'categorically impossible'."

    He throws up his hands. "To Allah, all things are possible, but to exist in a storm is to try and walk on ground that will bear no weight with legs that will bear no weight. Our existence here needs us-." He looks away as someone walks into the not-a-bar that totally never sells wine and certainly never sells it to good Muslims. "Ahmad, Ahmad, back me up!"

    Ahmad looks over, clearly puzzled, but he shrugs and ambles over to join us. "Why do you need backup?"

    "This pagan wants to go through a dream storm."

    "Oh. Why?"

    "To get to the other side."

    "You wouldn't just die. The things that make up your body would cease to be." Ahmad looks concerned as he shakes his head. "Don't do it."

    "Okay. Is it possible to go around a storm?"

    Ahmad sits down next to his… Friend? And looks at Haroun to try and get some idea what's going on. Haroun is still clearly frustrated.

    "Look, this city seems pretty normal because the Caliph and Dream brought it here as-is. In normal dreams, you're constantly interacting with worlds that have their own rules. They usually resemble the real world in some ways because people mostly dream what they know, and those commonalities make it possible to travel from one to the other."

    "Yes, I understand-."

    "Commonalities. The rule-breaks are commonalities too, and a lot of the time they're the bit that lingers longest. And when the dreamer awakens and they're not limiting things, the rule-breaks can all-"

    He claps his hands.

    "-smoosh together, and you get a storm."

    "Primordial chaos."

    "Ah… I imagine it's similar. If you want to know if they're the same you should check with an Imam."

    "Hm. There are beings who can exist in raw chaos."

    "Yeah. Evil spirits. And definitely not men."

    "Why not just wait until it falls apart on its own?"

    "I don't think this one will."

    Both sets of eyes widen.

    "You want to get through-?" / "You can't go through-!"

    "Assume that I do."

    Haroun sits back a little, clearly uncomfortable. "Well… Don't. The Lord of Dreams could probably let you through, for Allah has granted him domain over this place and all within it. I cannot imagine anything else that could."

    "What would you do if you found yourself caught in a lesser storm?"

    "Leave as quickly as I could. If I could not leave… Seek shelter and pray as hard as I could."

    "How do you leave? If they're as chaotic as you say-."

    "When you flee from a normal storm, you're going to get wet, but if you watch the path you can avoid being hit by a blow-over tree, or by lightning. Unless a dream has broken down entirely there are still conceptual links, they're just… Disrupted. So if you keep your wits about you and run, it's possible, but…"

    "But it would be chancy, and you wouldn't want to do it if you could possibly avoid it."

    They're both nodding.

    "Is there a way to calm a storm, even if it's only over a small area?"

    Ahmad nods. "Wizards who have studied the Dream can do that, but they only do it when the city is threatened directly, and then they can only calm it a little."

    I nod. That's basically the same thing that the others I've asked have said, but I think at this point I can treat it as being confirmed. I stand, taking a small pouch of period-appropriate coins off my belt and laying it on the table in front of them.

    "Thank you both for your time."

    Haroun smiles as he picks up the pouch. "You are welcome, sir."

    I turn away and head out of the café, pausing once I get back out onto the street. I've managed to get hold of a few navigation aids, but nothing that would let us survive in pure chaos. Dr. Balewa might be able to organise something.

    I'm more hopeful about the link, though. The Tower of Fate is a powerful anchor point of order in the material universe. From the sound of it, it should be possible to travel from an order-focused dream directly to the Tower. Or… It would be possible for someone other than me, anyway. Would Shivering Jemmy be willing to grant us passage-? No. Would she allow us to survive the passage after experiencing pure chaos? Probably, but that doesn't make trying it a good idea.

    Would my tattoos allow me to absorb Dream-stuff until I could manipulate it?

    That sounds like an even-

    "…geldedbastard!"

    -worse-

    The Demon Constantine lands chest-first on the street in front of me, to the moderate consternation of the passers by.

    "Fuck."

    "Do you need any help?"

    He's lost his coat, and as he pushes himself up I see that his chest is bloody and his ribs… Broken and bent inwards, piercing where his lungs would be. There's also a… Variant of the Seal of Solomon imprinted on his forehead.

    "Give me a moment."

    He closes his eyes, wincing, and his chest gradually shifts back into its proper place.

    "I'm sure that John would appreciate the-" I touch my forehead. "-tribute, but I didn't think that was healthy for demons."

    "They got me." He tries to pat his coat, presumably looking for cigarettes, then realises that he's not wearing it. "The Caliph wants out."

    "Oh. That's easy."

    "Right, because Dream owes you a favour and no one in modern Cairo would mind having this dropped on them."

    "No, because I spoke to a version of myself from an alternate timeline where this city was the Middle East's main source of super powers." I walk closer and tap him on the forehead. "Can I speak to the management, please?"
     
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  9. Tyrantviewer

    Tyrantviewer lord of all I survey

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    I love moments in stories when we get sentences like this and I know EXACTLY what is going on and being talked about.

    I am sure the Caliph will be overjoyed to hear that what he want's is possible, from someone who knows more about HOW it would be possible than basically anyone else at this point.
     
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  10. Vaermina

    Vaermina Experienced.

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    Notice how he didn't mention that world was only a few steps away from Nazi Earth.
     
  11. Bloodalchemy

    Bloodalchemy Not too sore, are you?

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    Orange is all about desire. And even better, Paul focuses on the motivation and ability to act on that desire.
     
  12. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    This is giving me Karen vibes.
     
  13. Ngamer11

    Ngamer11 Versed in the lewd.

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    Pretty sure Mandated Earth is, although somewhat brutal, far better than Earth 10.
     
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  14. yingyang590

    yingyang590 Getting out there.

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    Which one was this again?
     
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  15. Ngamer11

    Ngamer11 Versed in the lewd.

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    If you are asking which parallel version of Paul knew their version of the Caliph, then it was the version who became Time Trapper.
     
  16. Chojin Patriarch

    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker

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    Back to OL, again? Ah well, the alternate viewpoints were nice, but this is ultimately his story. And I see he's employing his true super-power: Call an Expert! I'm guessing we skipped the longer part of the 'Tell me what you want, and I shall tell you why it cannot be' part of the discussion...

    And I see the expert is having as hard a time getting OL to accept that 'it cannot be' as most people do...

    I mean, it's not like he was in a rush, after all.

    Can the comedy, OL, they're obviously very serious about this.

    If you can go through, go around, eh? The trick will be finding the shortest course around whatever storm you're talking about.

    Setting aside the usual changes of reality involved by dream logic, I suppose? And heaven help you if you blunder into the dreams of someone with a less steady grasp on reality?

    Ah. Like rag-ends of a torn tapestry...

    ...with all the clashes and inconsistencies that metaphor would imply.

    Wonder how they've dealt with the change of circumstances these hundreds of years?

    ...Like, say, Lords of Chaos?

    Ah. So that means the Tower is protected within the Dream by one of these storms, then?

    And evidently it's a well-known location. Presumably quite the navigational hazard for these guys.

    And as we've already seen, he will not do that for them.

    And if that doesn't work... Endeavour to bend over and kiss your ass goodbye?

    Or if you're powerful enough to bull through without caring about things like collateral damage...

    Probably feeling a sense of relief as 'finally, the heathen sees sense!'

    And presumably do so at the command of the Caliph.

    Well, at least he's paying well for advice.

    ...So you spent the last couple of hours buying... Souvenirs. Sheesh.

    Pretty sure Morpheus would show up, slap you and say 'stop being an idiot' if you tried that...

    Ah, there's the Demon. I guess the Caliph was displeased with his response.

    Ah, there's that Jackson Pollack. Albeit a rather monochrome one.

    ...And I'm picturing him just laying there, face-down on the pavement, cursing OL unto the fifth generation.

    Displeased, indeed. I bet the seal is a right pain.

    Heh, there's an amusing idea: A Demonic body-modification scene involving holy artefacts. For the ultimate in masochistic sensations!

    ...I mean, that does kind of depend where he wants the city to appear.

    Now that's a callback.

    Well, then. Looks like OL is about to get shit done again. The question is, will this help them get to the Tower, or get in their way? If nothing else, the conversation between OL and the Caliph is going to be entertaining. And meanwhile, the others are still in the breeze. We still don''t know what Doctor Balewa's been getting up to...


    My best efforts found this chapter: Mandated, part 12. (QQ Story-only version linked.)
     
  17. iamnuff

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    I don't remember the alternate version he's talking about, but as soon as Demon John got picked up, my first thought was that he should suggest that the Caliph go get 'the orange one' instead, because he loves doing stuff like this.
    Themyscira, Atlantis, Mars.

    He loves getting alien cultures in contact with each-other for trade purposes.
     
  18. Tzeentch

    Tzeentch Know what you're doing yet?

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    Given that the original Caliph that bargained with Morpheus died ages ago, I wonder if this is the Dream Counterpart of one of the Harun al Raschid's descendants that wants out, who would have ruled if Arabian Nights Baghdad still existed in the Real World.
     
  19. Old Knife

    Old Knife Not too sore, are you?

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    Oh wow. This was easier than I thought- Sultan, probably.
     
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  20. NightmareWarden

    NightmareWarden I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    The following might affect your enjoyment of the rest of the arc, maybe. Might spoil something.
    Six and a half years have passed since this post. Now I acknowledge the Constantine who tried to balance Chaos and Order in this fic isn’t the same as his Hellblazer counterpart. Paul butterflies a bunch of stuff. But it looks like, in some fashion, that post has come to pass with one Order John and one Chaos John. Which leaves me wondering.

    Why does the “good” John, wearing the Helmet, seem so well-adjusted? Perhaps… he is using some of the order-based neurons used by Nabu when he wears the helmet, to make up for his “holes?” And he would quickly degrade if he was forced to operate without the helmet? Such a possibility might explain why John was willing to split himself a second time, considering how much the Demon Constantine split damaged him.
     
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    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    It's not a Karen moment. He said 'please'.
     
  22. thebishop8

    thebishop8 Umm, ackchyually...

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    I recently remembered that John Constantine isn't the only one imprisoned in the Tower of Fate. Felix Faust and William Zard have been in there ever since the Roanoke incident, and Dark Druid and Anton Arcane have been there ever since Swamp Thing covered Gotham in plants. I'm wondering if we'll see them during the prison break. Hopefully things don't go so badly wrong that they escape.
     
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    That is absolutely horrible logic for so many reasons.
    This is not the same city, having spent centuries or millennia outside of reality. These are not the same people, again from having spent a lifetime in a mailable dream environment. More critically this is not the same world. You cannot just drop a culturally foreign city into an area and expect it to go well.
    But I suppose it will only be people Paul doesn’t personally know who suffer, so he doesn’t care.
     
  24. Darko

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    Fair enough, but it still feels like that type of moment.

    Maybe he can harness that to get some power.
     
  25. Windona

    Windona Beetle Queen of Crackshipping

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    No, but in Mandated the city was still in the Dream but allowed to interact with the real world in a way that benefited them both. And Paul is usually pretty good at managing stuff like this.
     
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    Handlewithcare Versed in the lewd.

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    I'm a bit of an asshole. I really want Paul to tell them he's been to the Silver City, get an Angel to back him up and tell them the spurce is gone. Just to see their reactions.
     
  27. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    The what is gone?
     
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    I think he meant the Source.
     
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    No? LePaul is horrible at managing stuff like this.

    His MO is literally no more then dropping the problem on others and then running off to chase whatever bit of shiny caught his attention.
     
  30. Coda

    Coda I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I think the second one has an error in it. I'm not sure if you meant them to be different, but if you did I think there's a word missing.
     
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