With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Thank you, corrected.

 

Is it bad that I’m starting to feel bad for the demonic Constantine? I’m genuinely hoping he eats from the Pomegranate and Paul is willing to hook him up with a fresh start.

 

Abdullah

 

Ali Bin Abdullah, I believe

I think this is missing a clause - "from the moment that <you made the deal>, you and he..." Or something like that. Could be "from that moment", but that implies the moment of death is the dividing line, which seems wrong.

 

He did help the first of the fallen invade earth so maybe not clean start but a helping hand would be nice.

 

Thank you, corrected.

Nope.

Thank you, corrected.

 

... and those aren't even the worst versions of him, though I don't recall whether Paul met the one who took the Evil potion.

 

They haven't met onscreen, though Tangseid was one of the many versions of Paul that was kidnapped by Krona and even improved upon Paul's tattoos, so it's possible they may have spoken to one another and exchanged some notes.

 

Ah, might makes right is what gave Dream the right to take people who were enslaved in life, and enslave their dream of themselves for eternity. Took me think of the mechanism that would let him do that, before realising its the oldest mechanism of all, force.

The endless are amoral. And I keep trying to humanise them.

 

"hits the"

It was a good showing.

 

That should say 'doing'.

 

No? Not at all. Dream is all dreams. If a god is a symbol made real, the Endless are the inversion - reality made into a symbol. When Dream creates something like The Corinthian, he's more or less automating a process already present, rather than forcing a new pattern into the Dreaming.

In short? We make and are made by our dreams; trying to blame Dream for how those dreams act is as useful as blaming water for getting you wet. Technically true, but it's never going to change anything.

 

Like a severe form of psychosomatic sensation. Though this is quite a bit more than simple psychosis. Hopefully things are less intense for him in the real world, since he's corporeally present in the Dreaming right now.

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Yes, no time wasted trying to find the place you saw, just focus and step into it. Dream logic at its finest.

Well, guess we know what happened to Alan, then. I wonder how they managed to bind him?

Okay, some manner of magical bindings, then. Probably functionally unbreakable to the one bound. But if someone else were there to help...

Hmm. Sounds like the Dream merchant he met has some unsavoury business partners.

So they're probably trying to leech away his dreams of her. Dreams founded in memories of the good times, no doubt.

Heh, one of the finest skills of the superhero: Making it up as you go and hoping it pays off.

Let's hope one of these dreams doesn't hit in the real world, it might get awkward if he keeps flopping like that. Especially if he's in a fight...

Well, looks like Alan's captors have some sort of sense of how the process is going... Or they heard the noise of Sanderson flopping about.

I mean, this could be a completely legitimate business transaction... But the evidence is really against that.

Sadly, I suspect his vulnerabilities to getting hit in soft spots depends on how human he feels at any given moment.

And isn't that a whole can of worms to open a philosophical discussion with, huh? On the other hand, we've seen Dreams killed before. Usually they stayed gone, until Morpheus recreated them. But what of formerly Human dreams, hmm?

And he's not joking. The whole 'light tap on the head' to put someone out is such an overused trope. And one a lot of viewers/readers are well aware is rather fake...

Not quite gripping him by the balls, but I suspect you have his undivided attention right now.

Don't worry, it'll get easier as you get used to it again.

I mean, it probably doesn't look like an actual firearm, but I doubt this guy knows that. And one of the options was a truth gas...

Still, even looking down the barrel of something resembling an old pump spray-gun is intimidating. (Flit-Gun, huh? Never knew they were called anything...)

Yes, I'm sure there are. Anything is a commodity if someone wants it badly enough...

Ooh, good point. We've been told they do have people who go out searching for new and interesting dream concepts... But I should wonder if it's legal to strip-mine people's minds for them.

And which situation is this one, eh? I'm pretty sure Alan didn't owe anyone here anything...

Well, I didn't think it would turn into that kind of dream.

Maybe he's having trouble even picturing how that would work. But it does sound like an effective way to immobilise someone.

Yeah, hard to run, or even move easily, in that sort of pose.

And I suspect things will not go well for him and his buddies when they do get here.

Welp. Of course someone got into trouble. I was half expecting it to be Doctor Mist, since we still haven't seen him. What's the bet he's letting the Flow guide him, and just ambling around town until just what he needs falls into his lap? I mean, Constantine can't be the only wizard who can operate like that, after all.

 

Heck, he'd probably be better than Constantine if he knew that skill.

That puritan witch guy said that one important part of synchronicity traveling is allowing yourself to be guided by a higher power.

Constantine wouldn't let that happen, so he's missing out on some tricks.

Mist may be able to allow himself to be guided.

 

oh.

This seems like a tragic violation against Alan. I’m disturbed by this. I was certainly wrong about that timeshare presentation… That’ll teach me to trust a haggler.

Well presented I guess, Mr Zoat.


On a completely unrelated note, does Paul still have the Bowel Disruptor he looted from Prankster (Uncle Oswald)?

 

Sandy is quickly cementing his place as my favorite character of this arc.

 

Yup. A pop-culture expert would have been paranoid cautious enough to have seen something coming.

Hope is truly a double edged sword.

 

Man. These guys are lucky OL wasn’t the one to find Alan. He gets…Not Nice, when his friends are endangered.

 

That's probably how it works for them, but I would guess that for the Holder of the Laughing Magician and the current Incarnation of the FOOL it probably works differently for him, I view it as John having either Admin privileges or considered a Priority Asset by the Wave. Or something along these lines

 

Who was this? I don’t remember him at all.

 

Power Ring Blue was married to Zorina Zatara so that the latter could take over as the next leader of the branch of the Zatara Crime Family that her father current leads.

 

MOST of the Endless are amoral. But there's one exception.

 

Though Raul could also take Baul's place since he's also in a relationship with an underage sadistic murderer.

 

Thank you, corrected.

Though to restate, she wasn't under the local age of consent.

I don't believe that she's ever been convicted of murder.

 

Good for Sandy! But poor Alan, having those dreams potentially ripped from him. I don't think it will be pleasant upon waking

 

That not necessarily true the Zatara's are an Italian family and a majority of the family is in Italy the age of consent Italy is 14 and then it moves up to I think the next 16

The age of consent in Italy is 14 years old, and rises to 16 when one participant is in a position of authority or influence over the other (teacher, clergyman, etc). Additionally, it is illegal to perform sexual acts when an individual under 14 is present to witness them, even if said minor does not participate.​

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But yeah to her Family she was not considered underage, now in the U.S it's a different story but I would imagine that they would have gotten married in Italy in a church with the Family there. Odds are the Family approved so it would have all been Legal and above board. In America it would be a Crime and not possible but in other Countries not so much

 

Two. Gorgeous, and Destruction.

 

What year did Zorina and Paul get married? Because Zorina could be 16 at time of marriage.

 

I believe she was 16 in May 2010 she was 14 and I forget what year it was but I think it was over a Year after they met that she married him so she was likely 15 at the youngest but more likely 16