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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

"Strictly speaking, we could have gotten rid of them before all this happened."

Superman gives his head a small shake. "I don't think the League wants to become a nuclear power."

I shrug. "Who said anything about keeping them? Unlike America, the League could actually destroy the nuclear material rather than just sticking it in long term storage. I assumed that the League didn't do things like that because you didn't want to directly act against world governments."
You literally know how that story ends...

The Earth just got over it's second major alien invasion it doesn't need a third.
 
Well, Green Arrow is the everyman of the League I suppose lol, technically, I'd argue Black Canary would be more grounded, she's a metahuman but she's not exactly a millionare with a tragic backstory (I think?), but close enough lol.

I wonder what Luthor's up to now. Nice to see some humor from OL though.

And, a bit of a non-sequitor but does Wally have a name he's gonna rebrand with once he outgrows the "Kid" part of Kid Flash? Been on my mind lately since he appeared.

My mind's a bit set on Formula, for the race car thing and because he's making potions now.
 
"It means that I want to hurt. The point is, I-" I dismiss the horns, trident, wings and halo. "-quite understand if you'd rather ask… Blue Beatle?"
Isn't it supposed to be Blue Beetle? Also, when did he show up? I figured Paul would show more interest when he finally did, because N.E.M.O. hasn't been able to capture a beetle from the Reach given how self-destruct happy they are.
 
Isn't it supposed to be Blue Beetle? Also, when did he show up? I figured Paul would show more interest when he finally did, because N.E.M.O. hasn't been able to capture a beetle from the Reach given how self-destruct happy they are.
Maybe he means Ted Kord? But I read in the TV Tropes that Ted's too busy with the magitech and schizotech revolution Paul's kickstarted to be a superhero.

But if it's Jaime or someone else, yeah, even with metaknowledge, I kinda expected that a scarab arriving on Earth just after the Anti-Life Crisis to be more worrying
 
"It means that I want to hurt. The point is, I-" I dismiss the horns, trident, wings and halo. "-quite understand if you'd rather ask… Blue Beatle?"
That should say 'Beetle'. Also, when did Ted Kord become a superhero? Last I checked, Paul's influence made it so that he was fine as an inventor and company owner who could do good work through his inventions and company.
 
1st March 2013
10:57 GMT


Mr. Queen leans back slightly in his chair. "You wanna run that by me again?"

"What?"
Oh god. Oliver Queen and OL talking? This is almost as bad as Ollie and the iconic Hawkman, Katar Hol, debating politics. At least they're not likely to come to blows. Though I doubt it could reach the coolness level of Hal and Ollie's road-trip.

"Oh, it's…" He waves his right hand. "Just that out of everyone here, you're the guy I'd have though would have the least problem with them."

"Why?"
I don't know what they're talking about yet, and I already get the feeling Ollie's revving up for a big screed about something.

"Your.. huge.. body count?"

I shrug, shaking my head. "What's the got to do with it? Strategic nuclear weapons destroy whole region indiscriminately. I'm very discriminating. They're also too big and poisonous to use in intraplanetary warfare and don't work well in space."
Ah. Of course. And yes, nukes are too messy, with a tendency to flatten everything within their effective radius.

"And just like that, suddenly it makes perfect sense."

I nod. "I'm glad we understand each other."
If only it were that easy in real life... Well, besides the sarcasm.

"And don't think you understand why I'm against them at all, but…"

"I suspect that it's because they represent the capacity of humanity to violently destroy itself, and your think that by expunging them from your awareness-"
Ollie might be idealistic, but he's not that naive.

"No."

"-you can metaphorically expunge the very capacity of man to commit acts of violence."

"No, it's the 'wiping out all life on Earth' thing."
To be fair, life on Earth is fairly lucky it still exists at all, after multiple mass extinctions and at least one theorised asteroid hit.

"Wiping out all life on Earth isn't hard. Any Lantern could do it. Honestly, anyone with a few rocket motors and a little patience could do it. But honestly, the whole 'nuclear winter' thing is overdone. The bombs used on Japan threw up a lot of ash because the cities they hit were mostly made of wood and had been being bombed by incendiaries for weeks beforehand. They didn't create ash so much as throw upwards what was already there. And outside of the initial-."
A few tungsten rods flung from orbit could erase most any city from the face of the Earth, after all. A really big firework doesn't really compare.

The door to my right opens, and Superman walks in, looking pensive. "Ollie, Paul, thanks for coming."

"Don't sweat it, Clark. What is it? Want help wrangling Luthor?"
Certainly be a good idea to have a few pairs of suspicious eyes on him, after all. Guy is sneaky smart. :p

"No, I-. Luthor wants to do some… Radical things with the rebuilding project. I wanted to talk to both of you about it."

I smile, generating a construct halo and wings for Mr. Queen and a trident and horns for myself. Superman spots it and smiles.
Yeah, I doubt OL could ever really manage the angelic side of a debate. Too much of a realist.

"I wouldn't be so hard on yourself. But you do certainly have a unique perspective."

Mr. Queen glances back at his wings and then reaches up to feel his halo. "I what did I do to join the brain trust?"
...You're smart enough to know if someone's pulling something shifty, and blunt enough to confront them about it?

"You're the most normal guy on the Justice League."

"I'm a millionaire bowman."
And somehow that's still the most normal person on the team. Says a lot about the League, huh?

"Ah, okay." Superman nods. "Who would you pick?"

"C-." Mr. Queen thinks for a moment longer. "Ba-." … "What about Ray?"
Yeah, not exactly a lot of options for 'normal person' logic, are there?

"Doctor Palmer's a great guy, but he doesn't have your life experience."

I set my trident construct to float at my side and rub my hands together. "Alright, Kal-El. What morally dubious thing to you need me to convince you is rational today?"
Don't sound so eager, OL. Honestly, you know how super-villain you sound sometimes?

"It's not-." He takes a breath, then pulls over another chair and sits with us. "It's not a simple moral subject. If it was, I'd just do the right thing."

"That-." I sigh. "Did Batman tell you what I did to him?"
Knowing it happened is one thing, knowing details is quite another.

"Ah…" Superman looks a little concerned and glances at Mr. Queen, who seems similarly out of the loop. "No? Did you have an argument?"

"Do you remember how after Richard got exposed to the Anti-Life, he went through a major re-evaluation of his life choices?"
...I see Batman elected not to share said details, then.

Mr. Queen winces. "I don't know what you're about to say but I already know I'm gunna hate it."

Superman frowns. "You did something to him so he could use the yellow ring."
Right on both counts.

I nod. "I undid it afterwards, and I think it was essential to the mission, but unlike a lot of things I've done, that… I'll definitely understand if you want to run your moral quandaries with someone else."

"You undid it." He gives me a hard look, eyebrows slightly raised. "You're sure?"
Because I can understand Clark being especially worried about messing with Bruce's head. Never mind if it happened to him.

"As sure as I can be. You can't-. Experiences change a person. I couldn't just turn him back without erasing his short term memory, which would be worse. So he could still think about what happened with Richard in the same way that he did before, but he can also remember thinking about it… Differently."

"And Batman knows you did that?"
It's be kind of hard to miss, after all. I'd be more worried about him liking the change, which fortunately, he doesn't seem to have.

"He couldn't really miss it." I point to the right side of my face. "You might have noticed that one of my bruises didn't just vanish with the rest of my injuries."

"I did, I just wasn't sure what that was. That means you think you deserved to be injured, does it?"
Got it in one. And when an Orange Lantern wants to punish themselves, it can get quite intense.

"It means that I want to hurt. The point is, I-" I dismiss the horns, trident, wings and halo. "-quite understand if you'd rather ask… Blue Beatle?"

"Considering that I'm dealing with Luthor, you might still be the best guy."
Wait, do you mean Ted Kord in tights, or Jaime Reyes in the Khaji-Da scarab suit? :confused: Because either of those things is significant for different reasons.

Mr. Queen shrugs. "If it helps, he seems pretty much the same to me. You, ah… Got any plans to brainwash the rest of-. You do?"

I shrug. "The drug I used would work the same on everyone-. Any other human. I can't think of any reason why I'd want to use it on anyone else, but it-. The possibility is there."
...Let's just stuff that idea somewhere well-buried for now, eh?

Superman sighs. "The thing is, that actually makes you better for helping me with this."

"Ah." Mr. Queen glances awkwardly at me. "Should I try running now, or are you gunna give me a five minute warning?"
Oh come on, how bad could it be, Ollie?

"Before I got here, you were talking about nuclear weapons."

Mr. Queen nods. "I mean, none of the countries who own them have managed to reorganise their militaries. We could just get rid of all of the warheads."
Yes, that worked so well in Superman IV... :oops: Even without Lex's meddling, that would probably not have ended well eventually.

"That wouldn't stop them making new ones."

"Maybe they won't-." He sags a little. "Yeah, wishful thinking."
Sadly, even an idealist has to bend to reality sometimes...

"Strictly speaking, we could have gotten rid of them before all this happened."

Superman gives his head a small shake. "I don't think the League wants to become a nuclear power."
Pfft. I know you heard OL's opinion of them. Like he'd want to keep them?

I shrug. "Who said anything about keeping them? Unlike America, the League could actually destroy the nuclear material rather than just sticking it in long term storage. I assumed that the League didn't do things like that because you didn't want to directly act against world governments."

"That's a part of it. Lex has spent a few days trying to persuade me we should work a little differently."

Mr. Queen snorts. "Well if it's Lex…"
Ah. I see... He wants to set something up to handle the heroes, eh?

How illuminating. So Lex is either pushing for a support organisation for the League, or a more pro-active role in world affairs than what they've had thus far. But the former would be tainted by his involvement, and none of them would trust it to be on the level, while the latter would be crossing personal lines held by a lot of the League...
 
Isn't it supposed to be Blue Beetle? Also, when did he show up? I figured Paul would show more interest when he finally did, because N.E.M.O. hasn't been able to capture a beetle from the Reach given how self-destruct happy they are.

Maybe he means Ted Kord? But I read in the TV Tropes that Ted's too busy with the magitech and schizotech revolution Paul's kickstarted to be a superhero.

But if it's Jaime or someone else, yeah, even with metaknowledge, I kinda expected that a scarab arriving on Earth just after the Anti-Life Crisis to be more worrying

It's definitely not Jaime. Not only would the Illustres easily identify and try to take care of a Beetle infiltrator, but last thing I remember Mr. Zoat mentioning that the Beetle itself is probably in some safe storage and Ted Kord is not set to die anytime soon.

So it probably is Ted Kord, but I don't clearly remember when he entered superheroics either.
 
It's definitely not Jaime. Not only would the Illustres easily identify and try to take care of a Beetle infiltrator, but last thing I remember Mr. Zoat mentioning that the Beetle itself is probably in some safe storage and Ted Kord is not set to die anytime soon.

So it probably is Ted Kord, but I don't clearly remember when he entered superheroics either.
Maybe he decided to step up offscreen due to the Anti-Life crisis?
 
Strategic nuclear weapons destroy whole region indiscriminately.
'regions'
"I suspect that it's because they represent the capacity of humanity to violently destroy itself, and your think that by expunging them from your awareness-"
'you think'
"Wiping out all life on Earth isn't hard. Any Lantern could do it.
Well, depends on whether you want to really wipe out ALL life on Earth.
What morally dubious thing to you need me to convince you is rational today?"
'do you'
 
Well, Green Arrow is the everyman of the League I suppose lol, technically, I'd argue Black Canary would be more grounded, she's a metahuman but she's not exactly a millionare with a tragic backstory (I think?), but close enough lol.

I believe both YJ and Zoat went with the "Dinah grew up with all the Justice Society as her honorary uncles" background from JLA Year One.

I don't feel like that fits the criteria of normal childhood even grading on the curve against her fellow Leaguers.
 
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Is rebuilding the infrastructure actually hard? Agree on a plan, have Paul link up with Best Snek for a minute, et voila!
 
"What's that"
"thought"
"I don't"
"and you"
"What did I do"
Remove the "I".
Thank you, corrected.
Honestly I'd pick Superman.
Not really an option for Superman.
I think that's correct.
For Hepheastean's sake, have the basic problems really been resolved so soon, in just a couple of days, that we are already jumping into creating new or more difficult ones? What's Luthor and his ilk planning now?
No. The idea is that if they implement a change now it's harder to complain about.
Maybe he means Ted Kord?
Yes.
But I read in the TV Tropes that Ted's too busy with the magitech and schizotech revolution Paul's kickstarted to be a superhero.
He hasan't been doing much superheroing, but I don't think I wrote that he didn't do any.
 
I can just change it to say 'Ted Kord' if that's better?

My memory might be failing me, but from what I remember, when the Illustres started associating with Ted he noted that the latter wasn't superheroing. And since then he has been relatively busy and no particular mention has been made of him getting into the Blue Beetle identity, so that's why the mention is a bit jarring.
 
Maybe he means Ted Kord? But I read in the TV Tropes that Ted's too busy with the magitech and schizotech revolution Paul's kickstarted to be a superhero.

But if it's Jaime or someone else, yeah, even with metaknowledge, I kinda expected that a scarab arriving on Earth just after the Anti-Life Crisis to be more worrying

One good thing that might come of this mess (for a given value of good) is the fact that all of Earth's defenders will go nuclear (metaphorically and literally maybe) on any Reach members the very nanosecond they show up.

I think blue beetle is just a title that Kord took up during the antilife because the world needed leaders for cities/settlements. I doubt he's using the scarab, though it's possible the Anti-Life drove him to somehow awaken it on purpose or by accident.
 
What happened to Mannheim? I can't imagine what is left of the world governments left him alive even with the heroes of the world vouching the Anti-Life wasn't actually him.
 
What happened to Mannheim? I can't imagine what is left of the world governments left him alive even with the heroes of the world vouching the Anti-Life wasn't actually him.
With the way everyone was exposed to the life entity, I wonder if there's little willingness to kill anyone among the general population? They have a strong personal impetus to preserve life. It doesn't really matter in the comics if only superheroes are exposed, but here the life entity could have an effect on everyone
 
Reconstruction (part 6)
1st March 2013
11:02 GMT


Superman nods.

"Yeah, I know. But even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Orange Lantern, do you remember when we talked about me helping people by releasing kryptonian technology to Earth?"

I raise my eyebrows. "Wait, are you actually considering it?"

"I was wondering… Did you ever think that you should have built more bleed torsion generators?"

"I considered a world where I did, and realised that it would involve me doing an awful lot of work for no real personal or planetary benefit. And that's with a safe technology." I shrug. "Then other clean power technologies entered the market, prices collapsed and I got the result I wanted."

"Everywhere they were accepted."

I nod, because I spent quite a bit of time repairing nuclear power plants last month. And clearing roads for coal shipments, and repairing pipes for pumping gas… Europe and America are switching over, but it's not happening all that fast. I think Ted Kord said there was some sort of problem getting the legislation through to rewire the United States, but I stopped worrying about it because Lex was… On it.

Mr. Queen looks puzzled. "Why wouldn't they be? It's cheap, clean-." He jerks his head my way. "It is clean, right?"

"LexCorp's generator essentially absorbs solar and galactic background radiation at extreme wavelengths and turns them into useable electricity. There might be some sort of giant monster sleeping below the Earth's crust that usually feeds on those wavelengths so now it will rise up and eat us all because it's getting denied its food, but other than that possibility it's completely safe."

"When we get out of here, check for that monster."

"Already did. Couldn't find it."

He closes his eyes for a moment. "You had to put it like that."

Superman nods. "What about the other generators that got released?"

"One's a thaumic converter and the other is an oddly efficient method for producing hydrogen. I guess they used alien technology, but they can reproduce it so it doesn't really matter."

"Which is the best?"

"The radiation converter and the thaumic converter both draw on a power source that will effectively never run out. But there's only so much exotic radiation around, and I'm not sure… There might be a point where we're trying to convert more than is intersecting with the Earth. I don't know, and I'm not sure if anyone knows. The thaumic converter distorts local magic fields, which might start being a problem if more people start learning magic. And you need magic users to build and repair them. There wasn't a problem in production, but they were trying to hire Atlanteans to expand and… We were reaching the end of the 'available' Atlantean magician workforce."

"And as more people started using them, that might start being a problem anyway."

I shrug. "Maybe. They haven't been used on a wide scale yet. Now, hydrogen is dead simple. Any half-way competent engineer could make a basic hydrogen-powered generator, so there's no shortage of people who can make the high-end ones. It needs hydrogen which is generated by… Well it used to be generated by combining methane with steam, but these days it's mostly generated using genetically engineered bacteria. The only waste product is water which means that it's as environmentally safe as it can get."

"I beg your pardon?" Mr. Queen leans forward. "Weird space energy and magic I get, but how do you take in bacteria and get out water and electricity?"

"There's plenty of hydrogen in things. Getting it out with bacteria's just more energy efficient than most alternatives. That.. one actually works in my original parallel universe as well."

"So why bother repairing nuclear reactors?"

"Because they were there, along with the infrastructure and expertise to run them. If you mean 'why weren't their governments using something better', I'm not sure."

Superman nods. "According to Lex, China has a lot of restrictions on who can own their infrastructure. He'd have had to essentially give the technology away, and the only people allowed to make money on it would be the Chinese."

"True. Every company working in China has to have a certain percentage of Chinese ownership. Was Lex asking us to forcefully bypass that?"

He nods again. "He knew that we already emptied out the Gobi Desert prison. The way he put it, if we got rid of the coal power plants and put in his radiation converters, they wouldn't have any choice but to accept what he was offering. He.. also made a pretty convincing environmental argument."

Mr. Queen nods. "China does burn an awful lot of coal."

"Which releases radiation and lead into the air as well as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide and carbon particulates. China actually has smog."

"America has smog."

"It's a problem in backwards, primitive-."

Superman slight raises his right hand. "My point is, we could replace them. I could replace them."

I shrug. "Superman, if you wanted to take over the world, you should have said something a couple of weeks ago."

Mr. Queen frowns in puzzlement. "He's not talking about taking over the world. Just fixing it up a little."

"He's talking about overriding a national government when they do something stupid. And not just a small country where people might not notice." Or care. "And we're talking about doing it at a time when the national government is in a mess, and probably can't meaningfully stop us."

Mr. Queen nods. "So you think once they get organized, they're just going to undo everything."

"Remember the training exercise, when with nothing at stake the Chinese government didn't notify the Justice League?"

"That's not the same thing. We're talking about giving them stuff for free here. New reactors would let them get their whole economy started up again."

I shrug. "I could be wrong. I hope I am. But I don't think I am. They won't buy from Lex on terms he will accept because they don't want to give up control. They won't accept us switching them over on our own recognisance because it shows they've lost control. The best we could do is find a senior enough person in what's left of their government to okay it, and help that person rise to the top before anyone can stop them."

"So… Conquer the world, with extra steps."

"More 'make a deal with someone, who then conquers their own country', but basically..." I nod.

Superman regards us both with growing disquiet. "Ollie?"

Mr. Queen shrugs, leaning back in his chair. "He's not exactly wrong. What did you have in mind?"

"Kryptonian technology is a lot more advanced than human technology. Outside of some pieces of biotechnology that work with kryptonian-specific physiology, just about everything I have could improve something."

"Okay. Ah… Two options. Release designs that slightly improve things that already exist. Carbon scrubbers that are a bit more efficient that what's in use now. Or are cheaper. Slightly better solar panels that can be built using existing human technology. People will gradually switch over on their own."

"Kryptonian.. solar panels are a lot more than 'slightly' more advanced."

"Can anywhere on Earth build them?"

"A couple of places probably could." He looks pointedly at me. "I.. thought-."

"Sure, I could fabricate them, but that just makes everyone dependent on me." I shrug. "Uplift is difficult, Superman. You've seen how much progress I've made?"

He nods. "What was the other option?"

"Pick somewhere small and offer to completely uplift the place. Deliberately destroy their existing economy and culture and replace it with something that can serve as an example of what can be achieved."

Mr. Queen gives me a sideways glance. "Or just change one part. Like power generation. Making energy cheaper -and cleaner- has a whole bunch of positive knock-on effects."

"Okay. I can do that. Did you have anywhere in mind?"
 
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Superman nods. "According to Lex, China has a lot of restrictions on who can own their infrastructure. He'd have had to essentially give the technology away, and the only people allowed to make money on are would be the Chinese."
I think that should say 'make money from it'.

Mr. Queen frowns in puzzlement. "He's not talking about taking over the world. Just fixing it up a little."

"He's talking about overriding a national government when they do something stupid. And not just a small country where people might not notice." Or care. "And we're talking about doing it at a time when the national government is in a mess, and probably can't meaningfully stop us."

Mr. Queen nods. "So you think once they get organized, they're just going to undo everything."

"Remember the training exercise, when with nothing at stake the Chinese government didn't notify the Justice League?"

"That's not the same thing. We're talking about giving them stuff for free here. New reactors would let them get their whole economy started up again."

I shrug. "I could be wrong. I hope I am. But I don't think I am. They won't buy from Lex on terms he will accept because they don't want to give up control. They won't accept us switching them over on our own recognisance because it shows they've lost control. The best we could do is find a senior enough person in what's left of their government to okay it, and help that person rise to the top before anyone can stop them."

"So… Conquer the world, with extra steps."

"More 'make a deal with someone, who then conquers their own country', but basically..." I nod.

Superman regards us both with growing disquiet. "Ollie?"

Mr. Queen shrugs, leaning back in his chair. "He's not exactly wrong. What did you have in mind?"
I wonder if Ollie is slightly regretting wanting to act as a conscience for the League now that he's being asked his opinion on complicated matters like this.

"Kryptonian technology is a lot more advanced than human technology. Outside of some pieces of biotechnology that work with kryptonian-specific physiology, just about everything I have could improve something."

"Okay. Ah… Two options. Release designs that slightly improve things that already exist. Carbon scrubbers that are a bit more efficient that what's in use now. Or are cheaper. Slightly better solar panels that can be built using existing human technology. People will gradually switch over on their own."

"Kryptonian.. solar panels are a lot more than 'slightly' more advanced."

"Can anywhere on Earth build them?"

"A couple of places probably could." He looks pointedly at me. "I.. thought-."

"Sure, I could fabricate them, but that just makes everyone dependant on me." I shrug. "Uplift is difficult, Superman. You've seen how much progress I've made?"

He nods. "What was the other option?"

"Pick somewhere small and offer to completely uplift the place. Deliberately destroy their existing economy and culture and replace it with something that can serve as an example of what can be achieved."

Mr. Queen gives me a sideways glance. "Or just change one part. Like power generation. Making energy cheaper -and cleaner- has a whole bunch of positive knock-on effects."

"Okay. I can do that. Did you have anywhere in mind?"
Considering how well Ollie and Paul are acting as two sides for an argument, will this become a regular or semi-regular thing?
 
1st March 2013
11:02 GMT


Superman nods.

"Yeah, I know. But even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Orange Lantern, do you remember when we talked about me helping people by releasing kryptonian technology to Earth?"
Right, that is a lot bigger a step than what I thought it was. Not that any of the other options would be great either. But dropping such advanced technology on a population still recovering from a global mind-whammy might be a bit extreme, and likely to backfire...

I raise my eyebrows. "Wait, are you actually considering it?"

"I was wondering… Did you ever think that you should have built more bleed torsion generators?"
Well, I suppose that would have depended on whether people could reproduce them. 'Give a man a fish', and all that...

"I considered a world where I did, and realised that it would involve me doing an awful lot of work for no real personal or planetary benefit. And that's with a safe technology." I shrug. "Then other clean power technologies entered the market, prices collapsed and I got the result I wanted."

"Everywhere they were accepted."
Ideally, once the holdouts catch on that said clean technology is A: Cleaner and B: Cheaper, I could see them reconsidering.

I nod, because I spent quite a bit of time repairing nuclear power plants last month. And clearing roads for coal shipments, and repairing pipes for pumping gas… Europe and America are switching over, but it's not happening all that fast. I think Ted Kord said there was some sort of problem getting the legislation through to rewire the United States, but I stopped worrying about it because Lex was… On it.

Mr. Queen looks puzzled. "Why wouldn't they be? It's cheap, clean-." He jerks his head my way. "It is clean, right?"
Since about two weeks have passed in universe since the start of the episode. And what's the bet their equivalent of 'Big Oil' is trying to cover their beloved profits. Probably with lobbying about 'Unproven mad science' or 'Think of the cost!'

"LexCorps' generator essentially absorbs solar and galactic background radiation at extreme wavelengths and turns them into useable electricity. There might be some sort of giant monster sleeping below the Earth's crust that usually feeds on it those wavelengths so now it will rise up and eat us all because it's getting denied its food, but other than that possibility it's completely safe."

"When we get out of here, check for that monster."
Ah, I see Lex is pulling out the Knight technology, then. About time it saw use, even if it is making Lex richer.

"Already did. Couldn't find it."

He closes his eyes for a moment. "You had to put it like that."
Because now Ollie is going to be laying awake at night sweating about 'Couldn't find it' instead of 'Nothing there.' :D And I thought Renegade was a troll.

Superman nods. "What about the other generators that got released?"

"One's a thaumic converter and the other is an oddly efficient method for producing hydrogen. I guess they used alien technology, but they can reproduce it so it doesn't really matter."

"Which is the best?"
As long as neither technology can run out of control, consuming all Magic or drying up the planet, or something like that.

"The radiation converter and the thaumic converter both draw on a power source that will effectively never run out. But there's only so much exotic radiation around, and I'm not sure… There might be a point where we're trying to convert more than is intersecting with the Earth. I don't know, and I'm not sure if anyone knows. The thaumic converter distorts local magic fields, which might start being a problem if more people start learning magic. And you need magic users to build and repair them. There wasn't a problem in production, but they were trying to hire Atlanteans to expand and… We were reaching the end of the 'available' Atlantean magician workforce."
Which raises the question of why is it suddenly out there now? Did someone have a breakthrough back before the Anti-Life thing and only now manage to get things together?

"And as more people started using them, that might start being a problem anyway."

I shrug. "Maybe. They haven't been used on a wide scale yet. Now, hydrogen is dead simple. Any half-way competent engineer could make a basic hydrogen-powered generator, so there's no shortage of people who can make the high-end ones. It needs hydrogen which is generated by… Well it used to be generated by combining methane with steam, but these days it's mostly generated using genetically engineered bacteria. The only waste product is water which means that it's as environmentally safe as it can get."
...And now I'm getting Cyberpunk flashbacks, with their fuel oil replacement, CHOOH2​, that's produced by engineered bacteria. Made the companies that produced it extremely wealthy and powerful...

"I beg your pardon?" Mr. Queen leans forward. "Weird space energy and magic I get, but how do you take in bacteria and get out water and electricity?"

"There's plenty of hydrogen in things. Getting it out with bacteria's just more energy efficient than most alternatives. That.. one actually works in my original parallel universe as well."
The trick is making something that can do the job, is easy to produce but won't breed out of control. Our world is still working out the first part, never mind the second or even the third...

"So why bother repairing nuclear reactors?"

"Because they were there, along with the infrastructure and expertise to run them. If you mean 'why weren't their governments using something better', I'm not sure."
Because they're obstinate, and being too cautious about the costs involved. It would take billions to switch over, and you have the issue of maintaining power in the process. ;) And that could make for angry voters.

Superman nods. "According to Lex, China has a lot of restrictions on who can own their infrastructure. He'd have had to essentially give the technology away, and the only people allowed to make money on are would be the Chinese."

"True. Every company working in China has to have a certain percentage of Chinese ownership. Was Lex asking us to forcefully bypass that?"
Ah, Lex. Your control freak tendencies biting you in the ass.

He nods again. "He knew that we already emptied out the Gobi Desert prison. They way he put it, if we got rid of the coal power plants and put in his radiation converters, they wouldn't have any choice but to accept what he was offering. He.. also made a pretty convincing environmental argument."

Mr. Queen nods. "China does burn an awful lot of coal."
It would also force China to work with him to maintain them, since their own engineers would struggle to do so without training.

"Which releases radiation and lead into the air as well as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide and carbon particulates. China actually has smog."

"America has smog."
Not on the same level, though.

"It's a problem in backwards, primitive-."

Superman slight raises his right hand. "My point is, we could replace them. I could replace them."
And it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. But the message it would send...

I shrug. "Superman, if you wanted to take over the world, you should have said something a couple of weeks ago."

Mr. Queen frowns in puzzlement. "He's not talking about taking over the world. Just fixing it up a little."
Think a little, Ollie. How would the Chinese government react to an American Superhero, an icon of their ideals, interfering in the Party's sovereign affairs? 'Explosive' would be an understatement.

"He's talking about overriding a national government when they do something stupid. And not just a small country where people might not notice." Or care. "And we're talking about doing it at a time when the national government is in a mess, and probably can't meaningfully stop us."

Mr. Queen nods. "So you think once they get organized, they're just going to undo everything."
While playing the 'belligerent victim' card. And probably demanding reparations from anyone involved they can think of.

"Remember the training exercise, when with nothing at stake the Chinese government didn't notify the Justice League?"

"That's not the same thing. We're talking about giving them stuff for free here. New reactors would let them get their whole economy started up again."
Yes, but again, how would they maintain them? Especially if Lex decides to play keep-away with the training and scientific knowledge need?

I shrug. "I could be wrong. I hope I am. But I don't think I am. They won't buy from Lex on terms he will accept because they don't want to give up control. They won't accept us switching them over on our own recognisance because it shows they've lost control. The best we could do is find a senior enough person in what's left of their government to okay it, and help that person rise to the top before anyone can stop them."

"So… Conquer the world, with extra steps."
By proxy, at least. With the risk of said proxy being decried as a mouthpiece for 'Imperialist, capitalist American interests.'

"More 'make a deal with someone, who then conquers their own country', but basically..." I nod.

Superman regards us both with growing disquiet. "Ollie?"
He's really learning just how much of a headache dealing with OL's unique perspective is, isn't he?

Mr. Queen shrugs, leaning back in his chair. "He's not exactly wrong. What did you have in mind?"

"Kryptonian technology is a lot more advanced than human technology. Outside of some pieces of biotechnology that work with kryptonian-specific physiology, just about everything I have could improve something."
As long as you can prevent it form being weaponised, which someone will eventually try to do, and given the hypercognitive potential of DC humans, might well manage to. Never mind what Lex will do with it, because you know he will get his hands on it no matter how they try to avoid it.

"Okay. Ah… Two options. Release designs that slightly improve things that already exist. Carbon scrubbers that are a bit more efficient that what's in use now. Or are cheaper. Slightly better solar panels that can be built using existing human technology. People will gradually switch over on their own."

"Kryptonian.. solar panels are a lot more than 'slightly' more advanced."
Well, there's another clean energy source for you. Just make sure they can't be turned into solar-powered death rays or something and you're fine. :p

"Can anywhere on Earth build them?"

"A couple of places probably could." He looks pointedly at me. "I.. thought-."
And that issue brings it back to 'dependant on one source for paradigm-changing tech.'

"Sure, I could fabricate them, but that just makes everyone dependant on me." I shrug. "Uplift is difficult, Superman. You've seen how much progress I've made?"

He nods. "What was the other option?"
I bet OL's feeling such a tingle of smugness, seeing how much Kal is struggling with this. He might not be proud of it, but he's feeling it.

"Pick somewhere small and offer to completely uplift the place. Deliberately destroy their existing economy and culture and replace it with something that can serve as an example of what can be achieved."

Mr. Queen gives me a sideways glance. "Or just change one part. Like power generation. Making energy cheaper -and cleaner- has a whole bunch of positive knock-on effects."

"Okay. I can do that. Did you have anywhere in mind?"
Either is a good option, though the former smacks a little of a subtle form of conquest.

Well, whatever nations they approach would become pretty significant in no time. Though I agree, Kahndaq probably would jump at the chance, with a little persuasion from OL. If nothing else, though, it's good to hear that humanity is starting to step away from the 'primitive' methods of electric power generation. Saving the planet, one power plant at a time. :p
 
Why are they bending on lex on having him control things, versus being so pessimistic on nuclear in china?
 
"LexCorps' generator essentially absorbs solar and galactic background radiation at extreme wavelengths and turns them into useable electricity. There might be some sort of giant monster sleeping below the Earth's crust that usually feeds on it those wavelengths so now it will rise up and eat us all because it's getting denied its food, but other than that possibility it's completely safe."
'LexCorp's'?
Extraneous 'it' in second sentence.
They way he put it, if we got rid of the coal power plants and put in his radiation converters, they wouldn't have any choice but to accept what he was offering.
'The way'
"Sure, I could fabricate them, but that just makes everyone dependant on me."
'dependent'

Fun chapter. I like a bit of talking about fantasy infrastructure.
 

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