With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Maybe he ends as a minotaur or a centaur.

In fact it would be hilarious if he ends being the same species as Tirek.

 

Hm...

 

Well... that is an interesting possible future appearance.

Zoat is Discord a Lord of Chaos, like Klarion and Mordru, in your story?

 

The Renegade doesn't know. Or care.

 

Is there actually a version of the SI who landed in My Little Pony, and if yes what Ring would you give him?

 

What, G1? No.

 

no its text, image, video and audio communication between users in a chat channel.
although it is quite chaotic, i'll admit

 

Edgy black alicorn OC?

For real?

That probably will make Grayven want to shot himself.

 

I wouldn't expect Gravy to change at all, since Zoat added resistance to transformation to New God powers.

 

No no, that's a hurrock, from Tamora Pierce's Wild Magic series. Sort of. Actual hurrock's are supposed to have forward facing eyes, but that was the best picture I could find. Basically, they're what happens when people think too much about what an evil Pegasus would look like and cause the world's magic to respond.

 

Sounds like an.... interesting magic system.

Wonder what happens when people are perverts...

 

I don’t get the Ignatius thing.

 

'Nazi' is an abbreviation of 'Ignatius'.

 

...The Atlantean cannot be a jew...

hahahahah

Oh my sides.

 

Okay, now Zoat is just teasing us. Hitler clone lives in Brazil, right?

 

Yes.

 

Of course she did. Overhearing is extremely sensitive. And I doubt Angelika feels the need to respect people's privacy, given most of the Team's attitude towards her... I suspect she's feeling very ostracized right now...

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

Nice easy conversation starter, eh?

...Yeah. I'll bet it was.

Ah, the Earth Ten equivalent of 'commie-blocks'. Fast, easy-to-build and soulless as machinery storage.

<Facepalm> Dammit... That's gonna piss so many people off...

There is no global conspiracy of Jews on Earth-16, Overgirl. Supervillains, yes, but their religion has little to do with it.

I wonder how she'll take the fact a literal Greek deity is keeping humanity from inflating itself into financial collapse...

<Facepalm> For Eris' sake...

Thank you! Good gravy, she just refuses to change, doesn't she? Hopefully that obnoxious devotion to her ingrained beliefs gets worn down a little...

Yes, bit of an eye-opener wasn't it? Discovering one of your groups of 'subhumans' were badass war heroes?

Some cracks showing, I hope.

Got it in one, Overgirl.

...Ugh, I should just tape my hand to my face at this rate...

Not so fun now, is it, Angelika? Look up the connotations of the words you've been using, see what you discover.

...Well, shit, that's a big hit to the relationship score. Fast talking engage!

She's got a few things to think about now... Hope she actually does so.

Though Angelika no doubt caught the start of that outburst... Good...

And better she make herself useful than sit around the Fortress watching cat videos...

Up until the local folks got sick of them, yes? To Wikipedia! er... Encarta Populi! ...Ew, what a mess.

Maybe leave it until after this mess is sorted out?

Focus on the task at hand, ladies. No doubt shit is going to get effed up at some point.

Well, at least most of the crap that went down in Brazil happened more than twenty years ago... Let's keep the shouting related to the story, though? And seriously, how much more messed up could it have been with superhumans running around?

 

And the clone is still basically meaningless here. Like, the only way it could possibly matter is if Paul tried to pass the clone off as the original. And the clone was actually somehow a decent enough actor to fool Overgirl.

Of course some of this feels like it could be a setback.

"Brazil wouldn't have these shitty slums if National Socialists were in charge like on my Earth."

Somehow I think the message that nations are run better on Earth 10 isn't the one you want to be sending. Or the stuff about keeping capitalism in check.

 

I mean, he's only twice now pontificated about how easy the mission will be. By the time he gets there the Black Lanterns will have taken over Truggs, who will be using futuretech to clone Darkseid and the Anti-Monitor as a legion of zombie-slaves.

 

Oh, no. He's going to have Fire on the same team as Euanthe. As if the social juggling act wasn't bad enough already...

 

Nazis are all about dem genes. Someone with Hitler's genes despising Nazis? Impossibru!!!

 

No Jews in Atlantis? Silly Overgirl! The Jews made it deep into China and Sub-Saharan Africa long before the age of European Colonialism. So why not Atlantis as well?

 

While I can certainly appreciate the idea of Overgirl meeting a clone of Hitler who hates Nazis, I'd feel really bad about forcing him to meet her. Otto (I think his name was) very much wants to bury that part of his creation and forget about it. He's got a wife and kids plus the knowledge of being a clone of a man as widely reviled as Hitler would weigh on anyone. Why not just leave the man in peace?

 

Bizzare thing to me is that the nazi's were only really socialist in name and out of necessity, wherever possible they actively pushed for little government involvement in stuff like banks and construction but they were basically forced to be involved if Hitler wanted to get the economy churning out tanks, planes and bullets for WW2. It's even noted from his associates that he stated many times that he loathed socialists and socialism as it goes against social darwinism which was so predominant at the time. They used those policies because otherwise Germany would've starved and likely collapsed without them. Its genuinely shocking to me that the nazi's of earth 10 actually stayed socialist once it became obvious that they had taken out any countries that were threats to them.

 

That's not how they worked at all, Handle. Even the Nazis understood the importance of indoctrinating people into their belief system.

When they thought an unusual number of Poles had Aryan enough features to qualify for Germanization, they brushed it off by concluding they were just Germans who had been Polonized. That they were saving them from degeneracy by re-Germanizing them.

A clone of Hitler not being a Nazi isn't a mind shattering revelation. They'd just brush it off because of course their enemies would raise a clone to hate them.

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Well, apparently Hitler hated both egalitarian socialism and free market capitalism.

Both in public and in private, Hitler expressed disdain for capitalism, arguing that it holds nations ransom in the interests of a parasitic cosmopolitan rentier class. He opposed free market capitalism because it "could not be trusted to put national interests first," and he desired an economy that would direct resources "in ways that matched the many national goals of the regime," such as the buildup of the military, building programs for cities and roads, and economic self-sufficiency. Hitler also distrusted capitalism for being unreliable due to its egotism and he preferred a state-directed economy that maintains private property and competition but subordinates them to the interests of the Volk.

And apparently Joseph Goebbels once wrote that Communism and Capitalism were both awful, but if Germany was forced to choose one or the other than it would be better to "go down with Bolshevism than to live in eternal slavery to Capitalism".

We can't really be sure in what ways the introduction of advanced Kryptonian technology could have influenced the way they do things, but I think a victorious Nazi Germany would probably continue down the path of state capitalism.

Maybe having an economy more like modern China's?

 

I'd honestly been staying out of the rhetoric regarding the Nazi stuff and just sit and wait to see where the plot was going, but RNG seems to have dropped Nazi related stuff in my lap. Stumbled across a documentary "Nazis on Drugs: Hitler and the Blitzkrieg" based on a book similarly named "Blitzed: Drugs in Nazi Germany"

Wiki info reference for the short version.

The doc covered 2 major themes, the first use of uppers on all sides of the war at an industrial scale (with the german army producing and issuing what we now refer to as crystal meth for their troops to keep them awake and alert for days during the blitz) and a break down from captured medical notes taken by Hitler's doctor, in particular the wide range of drugs he was being pumped full of (mostly a weird cocktail of hormones, cocaine and what we'd now refer to as oxycodone.)

They even documented Hitler as sleeping through D-day because he'd been up all night on uppers and had been sedated to get some rest, and his body guards refused to let anyone get him up.

Now I've often heard the story told that the Allies stopped trying to kill Hitler because he was doing more damage to the Axis war effort while in power, and they were worried that if they offed him that they might end up with someone competent in charge, but this is the first time I have seen it brought to the forefront that his physical health and addictions may have played a much larger part in his documented slide into less and less rational orders as the war wrapped up, rather then his imbalances being entirely mental, as the Nazi's held him up as a symbol of purity and clean living.

With that as the setting for Earth Prime, I'd be curious as to how that went for earth-16's version, which may have gone a similar way (magic LSD had to be invented first before Paul got any after all), where as earth 10's likely had some level of Kryptonian medical science early on, which might have had a impact on the leadership on that front.

Anyway, just found it curious when stumbling upon it.

 

Nope.

They nationalised a lot of stuff. That's Socialism, and Fasism.

They were all about Govenment control, to the point that they wanted to choose almost everything.


All Socialist/Communist nations in history, up to and including right now, the leaders have never let go of power.


The Nazi's were anti-Communist, but had very similar ideals. They just wanted it to stop at the limits of their race. While blaming/hating all other races that didn't somehow become respected.

 

I mean if you look into Mussolini's writings (particularly his autobiography's his primary complaint about socialism and communism where based around the Italian socialist party which he viewed as betraying socialist principles leading to his "socialism is dead" rant.

 

Can someone clarify on who is Demetrios Prokopios? I don't believe I've ever come across him.