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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Half of that is true.
    It was a stupid idea so I decided to ignore it.
    No, Greater Germainia expanded their territory in Africa at the expense of the other European nations. Not hugely because they didn't have the people to settle Eastern Europe and Africa at the same time.
    Basically the same as he does now: mild concern.
    Will who show up?
     
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  2. Darko

    Darko Experienced.

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    Sorry will Power Girl show up in the paragon timeline, or in an April Fools like episode?
     
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  3. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Yes, in canon series 2.
     
  4. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Okay, Power Girl, that makes sense.

    DC does have a Will Power, Johnny Thunder's illegitimate son.

    But I didn't think enough people had read Primal Force for him to get requests. :)
     
  5. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    So does this mean Kara will eventually become power girl, or we will get another Kryptonian woman to play the role?


    I am not familiar with the comics alternative origins of Power Girl so anyone be free to clarify.
     
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  6. SIDoragon

    SIDoragon Getting sticky.

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    Curious that they have gone this far down the Danner formula rabbit hole without any actual evidence that it is, in fact, a Danner Enhanced person who is doing this.
     
  7. rdfox

    rdfox Getting sticky.

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    I saw this line, Zoat, and this instantly popped into my head:

     
  8. Steelplaza

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    This is one of those points in a long-running story where it would be really useful to have a short summary of all the "Danner Formula" stuff to remind readers of what is going on. I mean, it's all been in the story previously, but a lot of it was literal real-time years-ago with many, many chapters/arcs in between. I can't completely recall myself what the deal is with Iron Monroe, how the Danner formula was created, what their current status is, or any of that.

    And then thing is, there's plenty of excuse to just have OL "explain the situation" to Overgirl (but really to remind the readers). Like, "I don't know exactly how it went down in your universe but here the Danner formula was invented by blah-blah-blah, they did this-and-that, the superheroes intervened here, the formula languished there, and here's where we are today". Could be done in a paragraph or two, probably.
     
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  9. Coda

    Coda I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Maybe being out of the way, with a population not likely to interbreed outside of the area, was a safety precaution in case things went wrong, and/or a way to keep the endowed powers from getting into the hands of his enemies. People from a "civilized" area would have their own ideas about politics, after all.

    Nah, she's just tsundere. :V
     
  10. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Yes, one of those.
    Thank you, corrected.
    Basically, because that's where he was when he decided to do it.
     
  11. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    My guess is: the MLP elements of friendship are essentially their universe’s version of the lantern rings. Except while the lanterns formed from various creatures feeling emotions, the elements of friendship formed from beings that achieved great feats in their respective elements. If an Alicorn is basically a god, an element is basically a small piece of a super-Alicorn (might be of a different species). They are all bound together by the feat of the sixth Alicorn - the one of magic, who succeeded in creating a ritual to combine the powers into one. Before that, all was Discord and friendship did not exist. Notice how none of the individual elements have an defense against Discord, but only work through combining into friendship - his one weakness.
     
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  12. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Her being an alternate universe Supergirl is the go to.

    Galatea the clone from the cartoon seemed to be made in homage to Power Girl.

    She was Arion's granddaughter, her powers coming from magical enhancement, for a while.

    A storyline had Psycho Pirate make up (?) alternate origins though- Ultraman's cousin who replicated his powers to escape her parents Alan Scott and Sandra Knight, Cassie Sandmark and Conner's daughter from the future, daughter of Captain Marvel and Luma Lynai, she's Ursa who escaped from the Phantom Zone, she's the mother of Nightwing and Firebird from the shrunken city of Kandor, and that she's the daxamite Andromeda from the 30th century.

    I put a question mark there because Psycho Pirate survived Crisis, and is well aware of multiversal shenanigans, so he might have made that stuff up whole cloth, or those might be things that are true somewhere in the DC multiverse.
     
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    nick012000 Experienced.

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    I am now imagining Lex Luther with a button in a glass box labelled “Break glass in event of alien invasion,” connected to a bunch of genomorph growth tubes containing Danner-enhanced human clones grown to adulthood and kept in stasis until the button is pressed.
     
  14. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    But at the last second he would just use it to try and kill Superman instead.

    Because that's Lex.
     
  15. Threadmarks: Jungle Gym (part 10)
    Mr Zoat

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    Dr Munro looks around the logging camp.

    "I… Never saw this.. part of the records."

    "This part? I thought that you researched your father's activity thoroughly."

    "Up to his arrest, yes. After that…"

    I nod sympathetically. "Blue Lantern showed me the pictures of Sons of Dawn, and their autopsy reports. I suppose that you wouldn't have learned that much about him or the formula by reading about the clean up."

    "No. I should, though. I might have learned more about how to avoid his mistakes."

    I smile. "Why, are you planning on taking over a country-?"

    He snaps his head in my direction. "God, no."

    "Sorry, I was just trying to-."

    "No, no, you meant it as a joke. I… My father… They revered him, you know? And he'd have known them from… Before they were born. Every couple he gave the formula to, he was the only man in the villages who knew anything about modern medicine. And…" He sighs. "You know how much they all looked up to him."

    I nod.

    "I hadn't realised that you would take it quite this much to heart."

    He shrugs. "I guess I see too much of myself in him not to. What do you think he should have done differently?"

    "Depends what his objective was. Going back to America and setting up there would have avoided the fatal flaw he encountered. And if he went back to visit your mother then he clearly had the ability to go back. But I suppose that would have risked the American government acquiring the Formula."

    "Would that have been so bad?"

    "Not sure-. No, it would have been. The first generation would have reached adulthood at the same time you did, in the fifties. If America had gotten mass recruitable Danner enhanciles during the Cold War, they'd have made as many as they could and… They couldn't have reliably hidden it. They'd have arm-twisted as many of those people into the military as possible. I… Think that would have caused a nuclear war."

    And given the nuclear weapons in use at the time…

    Danner enhanciles would be able to survive near misses, and the likelihood of a nuclear winter gets overstated, but long-range bombers would still destroy cities. And the longer they waited, the more devastating it would get. On.. the other hand, given the distances involved, a platoon of Danner enhanciles that kept moving and spread out could have destroyed most of the Soviet Union's manufacturing capacity, given supplies and enough time. The only real counterstrategy would be mining their own factories.

    Europe would be doomed, but I think the US would win without being crippled itself. Which… Means that there was a good chance that they would go for it.

    Up until the Russians got the Garrick Formula, then everyone would be doomed. Though… In that situation, would Mr Garrick have kept it to himself?

    "I think so too. Did you know they had the theory for nuclear weapons in the Great War?"

    "Yes, though I don't know if Hugo would have known that. And no one could have predicted exactly how they affected the strategic situation."

    "He-." He takes a moment. "No, I suppose he couldn't. But he wasn't exactly Ben Salmon. He saw the whole of the Great War, and rather than turn his back on fighting he decided another war was the way to go." Dr Munro shakes his head. "I.. think the only reason he didn't start up in America was because his abilities hadn't ever been well-received there."

    "And he probably wasn't all that fond of Germany, so they're out. What would be the ideal? Somewhere with access to medicine, but where he could still dominate the local people."

    "Domin-? He didn't take over the tribes."

    "No, but he'd have to be sure that his enhanciles would follow his lead. Otherwise they'd just default to being loyal to their own government and.. probably cause a war. Social isolation would help with that, otherwise… He'd have to have an in with a new government, somewhere that would willingly offer him virtual autonomy. I… Think that a colony in Africa might have been best, but... It would really depend on exactly what he wanted."

    "I always thought it was 'more people like him'."

    "That's what it looked like, but… Okay, he takes over Brazil, and… Restores democracy-."

    "No, he'd have to deal with.. a lot of things first."

    "Okay, so he runs things as fairly as he can, breaks up opposing power blocks semi-legally, gets elected and starts dishing out the Formula to everyone. Every nation that can immediately grabs it and gives it to everyone they can. Nothing much happens for a decade or two, then… Every country that's been able to go into mass production steamrollers every country that can't. Germany… The far right probably has an edge, but there's a good chance that the country just tears itself apart. The British Empire flat out annexes China and… Splits the Middle East with France as a better alternative to going to war against them. Only now there's no way for a local resistance movement to fight their supersoldiers. I.. don't.. think Britain would go to war against the Soviet Union just because they really hate Communism and knew that their supersoldier strength advantage wouldn't last, but I can't rule it out."

    "Brazil's a nicer place to live with a good man running it and their neighbours get enough enhanciles of their own that they don't start wars of conquest after Hugo leaves office. Hugo himself would be revered as the man who saved Brazilian democracy and could do whatever he wanted with his time. Since he's not aging and plenty of women would be as strong as him… Have a family? Act as a political advisor to his successors?"

    "You..? Think it would always lead to war? Across the world?"

    "People leverage their advantages. Particularly if they know that their rivals are trying to catch up with them. The Soviet Union would struggle to go into Danner formula production as quickly as the other world powers but could easily overrun Europe when they did. Britain wouldn't want to risk sharing it with their new Chinese subjects so they'd have to go early."

    I shrug.

    "Chemical industries become a key strategic resource while projectile weapons are increasingly sidelined. Any poison that can kill Danner enhanciles goes into mass production, and the remaining empires are very careful about which of their citizens and subjects are loyal enough to be trusted with it. I don't imagine that superheroes remain independent, because there are too many people with powers for them to seem 'special'. And some of them flat out couldn't compete with Danner enhanciles."

    Dr Munro bows his head. "Maybe it's just as well he lost."

    "Impossible to say. So, the nearest people we could talk to-."

    "Squire to Orange Lantern."

    I raise my ring to my head.

    "Orange Lantern here. Doctor Munro has agreed to assist us."

    "Dawn Warrior has as well. As long as we agree to keep things confidential."

    "'Don't tell the Brazilians' confidential or 'don't tell Batman' confidential?"

    Not that I mind either way, I just need to know in advance.

    "Don't tell the Brazilians."

    "Then that's fine. One moment." I look over to where Tempest is sitting cross-legged on the ground, his eyes closed and his tattoos glowing. "Tempest, any luck?"

    He opens his eyes and shakes his head.

    "Okay, stay where you are. We'll come to you."
     
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  16. yingyang590

    yingyang590 Your first time is always over so quickly, isn't it?

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    Wasn't that just the plot of Uber?
     
  17. Chojin Patriarch

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    Kind of ruined the image you had of him, huh?

    Honestly, given the DCU, not an unreasonable concern...

    Basically a local deity. That can give a person quite the complex...

    Now that's a loaded question. OL would do a hell of a lot of things differently.

    Fifties America? Early years of the Cold War? Oh, all hell would break loose.

    Burnt cinder time. Sure, the Danner Enhanciles would be resistant but they'd still suffer from fallout.

    And even that would only slow them down. Skin tough enough to resist artillery shells, and all that.

    Superspeedsters vs powerhouses. No winners there.

    Better to start somewhere that has less stigma against superhuman abilities...

    That would not have taken much, so he probably didn't think about it. Or he wanted to keep his forces manageable by himself.

    Then again, he probably wasn't comfortable with Africa, perhaps?

    Again, look at the history of Brazilian politics. Holy shit.

    And in his own little corner, Hugo sits there with head in hands in despair.

    Human nature. It's that simple. Tribe before outsiders.

    A world of superhumans descends into violence and flames. Typical really.

    Ah, the others checking in, eh?

    Well, at least they'll hopefully have the responsible party outnumbered...

    Heh. Starting to see why Batman would start to not like him...

    Whoever's responsible, they must be good at concealment...

    Lots of musing about Hugo's motives. Unfortunately, there's no way to ask the man himself, short of a seance...
     
  18. Sceptic

    Sceptic Critical Irrationalist

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    Are you sure that's Lex? Because I'm having a hard time imagining him waiting until the last second.
     
  19. Handlewithcare

    Handlewithcare I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Damn, what a depressing yet probably accurate analysis.

    There is also the interesting question of technological development. If near everyone had access to such superpowers, the need for much technology would disappear.

    Take the Garrick formula: would we develop computers, at least as they are now, when someone can do a billion calculations each second anyway with pen and paper?
     
  20. Gantradies

    Gantradies Not too sore, are you?

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    the reason i consider it a legitimate concern, is..well.....

    On Earth-prime, they were quite active in murdering "undesirables" outside their own territory to the point of weakening their own war industry/fighting capability- they wasted materials/time/resources setting up .... and i feel dirty even SAYING the word, Extermination camps in occupied territory, that they kept operating right up until the opposition was close to overrunning them....

    A rational government running under a rational policy/ideology WOULDN'T, but a world/europe-spanning Nazi government, who's already murdered a good chunk of the planet's population in cold blood,enslaved, literally or by way of brainwashing,the rest, getting word that there are alternate/near-parallels where their counterparts failed- and the "threats" they "had" to "remove" still exist?

    given how OG was taught/indoctrinated that it was a do or die,had to be done "totally not a causeless/reason-less atrocity" type thing, there's a..chance they'd outright HAVE to start spooling up for a cross-earth campaign to avert social destabilization,long term or short, even if the people at the helm currently aren't on the level of manic, puppy-kicking, baby-bayoneting psychopathy as their predecessors-that their own hollow attempts at justifying the.....feel dirty again SAYING that word and the coming word in the same sentence even in context... Holocaust means that ideologically they HAVE to, or its an admission they were full of shit ....

    ..... you know, im....
    thinking about..potential side-applications of the Danner formula-
    does it have to be administered to a "complete" life-form?
    could be a number of interesting/unconventional applications if you were able to apply it to vat-grown/manufactured tissue- e.g enhanced "factory made" cyborgs/constructs that TECHNICALLY could be argued to be legal IF they never had a human brain/were sentient,or things like some of the Unmanned Gear's from MGS4 and onwards using cultured muscle tissue instead of conventional robotics....
     
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    Slayer Anderson Orthodox Heretic

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    ...I kind of really want to play a DC-verse CKII set immediately prior to World War I and covering these events.

    Between Danner, Garrick, magic shenanigans, and fringe pre-Golden Age superheroes, it sounds like a very interesting world to play around in.
     
  22. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Well, he's got to pontificate that he could have saved the world years ago if only Superman would get out of his way. That humanity would have been strong and prepped for this invasion years ago if only Superman would get out of his way. That humanity would already be a race of demi-gods (Under a god-king Luthor of course) spreading throughout the galaxy if only Superman would get out of his way.

    That takes time.

    Then Superman will take a step to the side and say something along the lines of "Then do it Lex."

    Something something, Lex will rage and try to kill Superman.

    Because if he were really serious about all his Pro-Transhuman shit, Lex would have done it years ago. Nothing's been stopping him but his own evil, ego, greed, and need to be worshiped.
     
  23. Simonbob

    Simonbob Really? You don't say.

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    DC.

    OL's been to multiple afterlives. Why not go ask him?

    Bring a historian.
     
  24. Ace Dreamer

    Ace Dreamer Questioning The Nature of our Realities

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    I guess this'd be something a bit like a reverse Terminator? Those are a skin over robotic innards. This could be, say, a (cloned) human body from the jaw, down (includes the lower brain), with all the higher mental functions provided by an AI. Probably powered by a bio-to-electric converter implanted in the body. A nice feature would be poison gas filters...
    If the AI was something like the Zeta Project, with the holo disguise capability, these could be truly horrible...
     
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    Navi-Hank An engine fuled by spite

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    Either he doesn't know where he is or the silver City won't let him
     
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    ForeverShogo Know what you're doing yet?

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    Interesting that he thinks the United States getting a crop of Danner Enhanciles in the 50s would be enough to trigger WW3.

    But if you had to have a WW3, having it in the 50s is the best time to have it if you're the United States. The United States had a near monopoly on nukes, with the Soviets only just starting nuclear production. It was also in a time when the only real way you had to deliver nukes was through the use of strategic bombers, and the United States had a much better strategic bomber fleet able to reliably hit Soviet targets. Conversely, the ability of Soviet strategic bombers to actually hit the contiguous United States was considered to be unreliable at best even as late as 1959.

    Germany would be pretty fucked, but the devastation would mostly be east of the Rhine River. Not to say western Europe would get out of it unscathed, but those nations would survive.

    Other than losses incurred on the front lines . . . To be honest, the United States would have come out of a 50s WW3 virtually untouched. It's the United States' allies who would suffer in such a war. Not the United states itself.

    And that's before you add in whatever impact a crop of Danner Enhanciles would have had on such a war.

    With a presumably ever increasing population of Danner Enhanciles . . . The US would have had a lot to gain and very little to lose from a hypothetical 50's WW3.
     
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    Rhomanion1 Making the rounds.

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    So like super-strong servitors?
     
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    Khettien Perpetually confused

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    If he'd waited a decade, America probably would have ripped itself apart in another civil war. Can't imagine the counterculture with Danner enhanciles would stay peaceful, on either side.
     
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    Siskulous Know what you're doing yet?

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    Should be "rather than"
     
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    Coda I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    When referring to consolidated political power, "blocs". Yes, it's silly, especially since it's just literally the French word for "block." But that's how it is.

    Probably. Computers weren't so much invented because they can do the work faster. They were invented because they can do it tirelessly and consistently. The Garrick formula doesn't keep you from getting bored, needing sleep, or making mistakes.
     
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