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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. moralrelativity

    moralrelativity Recovering pendant.

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    Or it could be that Mr Zoat's just fucking with you.
     
  2. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Discord is irrelevant. I put him is because there's no way he wouldn't be interested in what's happening and I wanted a reason why he wasn't getting involved more.
     
  3. TheMidnightRook

    TheMidnightRook Well worn.

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    It's not a new sentence though, it's a continuation after an ellipsis.
     
  4. Massgamer

    Massgamer Not too sore, are you?

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    I actually like Discord since he was reformed so sad was chased off.

    Curious, why was Changing Man killed since out of all the Lords of Chaos he was pretty chill and good?
     
  5. Gromweld

    Gromweld Learning By Mistake

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    I've been looking forward to a Discord appearance/cameo this whole trip to Equestria... and this was quite the let-down. Especially given Grayven ostensibly just went through some major character growth focused on reigning in his assholish tendencies, but barely even two episode-parts later Grayven is immediately moving directly to threatening murder without even trying to ask for Discord to help/remove the local Chaos interference. Especially since the SI apparently knows that Discord can be redeemed/toned down already.

    Grayven just went through a defining character moment about the power of friendship while at the same time removing the Anti-Life chunk in his soul, and then the first 'new' character interaction with someone he (meta) knows can be reasoned with is "I am going to murder you." This feels... bizarre, honestly. Why didn't Grayven just ask first?
     
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  6. Handlewithcare

    Handlewithcare Versed in the lewd.

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    If Sunset's magic works, what's to stop everyone from copying it and become Alicorns themselves?

    (Big Mac would do it in a flash)

    There is a great fanfic, The Great Alicorn Hunt, where that is basically the end goal. A sort of Transponiest Singularity, where everyone is immortal, extremely powerful and has access to all three pony magic types.
     
  7. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    My guess would be that Discord managed to tether his soul to Wilson. Though who knows. I know there’s at least one fic where the pie family are all Discord worshipers.
     
  8. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    The Changing Man may not have been as malicious as the other three Chaos Lords, but he was insane and dangerous, so reasoning with him may not have been possible.

    Can't wait to see if renegades killing of all these Chaos Lords comes to bite him in the ass, like say other Chaos Lords sending someone to kill him and potentially destroying the Sword of the Fallen, seems a bit unfair that paragon lost his while renegade has only been getting more cool stuff.
    I think Zoat said something about the renegade facing some problems from killing those Chaos Lords?
     
  9. Chojin Patriarch

    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker

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    You know, His timestamp seems to have become more of a celebration of being Anti-life free. Like... "Goooood Morning, Equestria!"

    Always pays to ask. After all, she might have gone on a Larfleeze-worthy kleptomaniac streak.

    "Something about Pinkie Pie keeping her up all night."

    Heheh. A good reminder that for all her youthful looks, she is an alicorn, and over a thousand years old. She is no mere conjurer or prestidigitator, she is an expert in Magic. God only knows what would happen of she became a Planeswalker and mastered another kind of Magic...:D

    She hasn't been lazing around on vacation. This was a working holiday.

    She really feels strongly about this, doesn't she? Looks like Atlantis might have another export avenue...

    And further lessons to be provided in person, until she gets a full curriculum going, eh? Imagine if some Unicorns agreed to be exchange students at Circe's school.

    They might be adopted a bit quicker, if Twilight gets a look at the notation system. She'd be all "This is perfect! It makes it all so easy!"

    Looks like Luna wants a way to differentiate herself from her sister. This might be a good way to do it: focus on her magical talents.

    ...It's like Lisa Frank threw up on a hippo... Oh, god, don't tell me there are sapient Hippos on Wilson...

    Better loosen up that Sword, Grayven. The old lizard is probably listening in as you speak.

    Oh, that is the perfect cue.

    No thoughts of Star Trek, Grayven? That's a geek penalty! Or were you not a fan?

    For when you need a second pair of eyes on something, but don't trust anyone else...

    Bah, as if he followed simple laws of physics.

    And that's new. I suppose it makes sense, though.

    "He caused the death of a hundred thousand children as a distraction..."
    "Yes, well, boys will be boys..."

    I do hope the implications are beginning to dawn on him...

    "And not that immortal, either."

    Honestly, one of the least harmful Lords, from what I hear. Much like Constantine, more dangerous to those around him by neglectfulness than any maliciousness.

    Boy, is Discord gonna be surprised...

    Ah, that 'A God Am I' arrogance. Not believing that a mortal could do him harm?

    Admittedly, him believing that may well allow it to be true, in full cartoon logic. "What I don't know can't hurt me..." and all that.

    But it's slowly sinking in... That just maybe...

    Interesting Glyph. The local equivalent of Renegade, I take it, to go alongside the 'Paragon' symbol last episode.

    Message received, It seems. The only thing missing was a 'points to eyes, points to Discord' gesture.

    Ah, Luna has no objection to the vague threat of violence against Discord's pers-... Oh, wait, she has less reason to like him than Grayven does...

    Very effective. Nothing like Fear as a motivator.

    Which I suspect Luna is perfectly fine with...

    Oh, this is going to be good...

    Thinks: "Oh dear, what have I gotten myself into?"

    Sunset... Let's keep the magical experimentation ethical, please. Let's not give Celestia another reason to exile you again.

    Welp, Discord appeared. I can see his fans are already a little put out by his reaction. The question is, can that little threat keep him from returning at the worst possible moment? Because you just know he'll do it, just to be an arse.

    Oooh, Godspeech! <Snaps fingers>
     
  10. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

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    Mordru is generally presented as being up there with Time Trapper and Darkseid.

    As for Shade the Changing Man, his feats don't matter because a Shade the Changing Man who is qualified to be a Lord of Chaos is verging on "In Name Only" characterization, since his powers don't come from knowing any magic whatsoever but from possessing the M-Vest.
     
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  11. Ganurath

    Ganurath Apologizes For Nothing

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    Paragon's John Constantine: "Not every Chaos Lord."
    If you're invested in the Enchant skill enough to make Continuous Effect gear and use it as your primary mode of attack, you're invested enough to make some gear that can do a passable job of inflicting said attack. I personally prefer loading a low damage effect with a strong soul for a nice thick reserve to call on, and low down rapid fire for accelerated Enchant XP gain. Item activations are only worth 0.1 XP, while recharging an item or creating one is worth 5 each. Also, putting the Continuous Levitate enchantment on an Exquisite Amulet instead of an Exquisite Ring gets you just as much potency without the swap hazard.
     
  12. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Zoat already changed several characters powers and originsin this story:
    -making Blackfire a more positive character that didn't betray her planet and torture her sister, but was captured because her brother joined a resistance
    -making Captain Nazi like Uncle Sam, magic superhero representing his country< while in the comics he was created through science by his brother who was a scientist and not a sorcerer like in this story

    So yeah him making Changing Man a Lord of Chaos isn't that odd.

    In regards to who is the most powerful Chaos Lord it could depend on what ritual they used to ascend and how much chaos magic they took in to themselves, how skilled they are in wielding their powers, how much knowledge they have etc.
    Mordru was probably the most powerful in this regard seeing as he came from a mystically advanced civilization while the others may have come from magical societies but probably not as advanced as Xerox.
     
  13. Slayer Anderson

    Slayer Anderson Orthodox Heretic

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    I prefer this one, but I suppose that's just a matter of taste.
     
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  14. deccan2008

    deccan2008 Getting out there.

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    Ponies can wield swords?
     
  15. Hell's Razer

    Hell's Razer Passive Member

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    Huh. Learn something new every day, I guess.
     
  16. Senevri

    Senevri Not too sore, are you?

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    Um. Did Sunset just, sort of assume she was banished? Because I find no reference to such in the wiki.
     
  17. Senevri

    Senevri Not too sore, are you?

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    Murderhobo. Who still doesn't know it just reincarnates them as mortals.
    ... Uh-oh. Aand now there's a sudden feeling of dread.
     
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  18. PrinceJonathan

    PrinceJonathan Versed in the lewd.

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    I think she was banished only in the context of this story. In the show I think she just ran away.
     
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  19. moralrelativity

    moralrelativity Recovering pendant.

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    You're fighting a lost battle here. Mr Zoat has very consistently stuck to his style choice throughout the 3+ million words he's written. He's not going to change his mind now. Take it from me... I've tried at least twice.
     
  20. BR549

    BR549 This is filth! FILTH!!

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    Also it's worth remembering that while it's not technically Earth-16 canon, one of the DC Nation shorts that aired alongside Young Justice was "Shade, The Changing Man"...who was presented as a Lord of Chaos, albiet a (mostly?) benevolent one.
     
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  21. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    He already knows they come back without powers, when he learned the knife depowers and reincarnates instead of killing he informed Xerox that Mordru would come back without powers and that lady told him they noticed and had already dealt with him.

    Grayven also found Klarion when he had no powers and is implied he killed him a second time without the sword.

    In short, he isn't being completely honest with Luna (he is omitting information in regards to the capabilities of the sword), but he is being truthful that for the most part the lords of chaos he stabbed ARE dead, they just had to be killed twice.
     
  22. Rafin

    Rafin Not too sore, are you?

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    When and how did he kill Oggar? And what gave him the cause?
     
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  23. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    He and Circe were plotting, but it wasn't mentioned they had killed him already... In short it happened off screen same as the changing man.
     
  24. Aeess

    Aeess I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Renegade didnt exactly kill Oggar, but rather lend Adom the Sword of the Fallen so he and Circe could kill him.
     
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  25. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    I stand corrected.
     
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  26. Darko

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    Renegade had Klarion assimilated after discovering his mortal state and probably wanted to do something similar to Mordru but he was killed by his former victims.
     
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  27. WereDragon

    WereDragon Bookwyrm

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    Seriously are there no clocks in Equestria? Sundials? Calendar monoliths?

    Well that is a new one.

    And yet he keeps stabbing people who are invariably replaced, often by even more reprehensible reprobates.


    Same thing that stops everyone from running a two-hour marathon, mastering the violin or comprehending the legal code. Most people simply aren’t up to the task.
     
  28. Ciber

    Ciber Know what you're doing yet?

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    I just love the image of Fluttershy trying to coax Discord out from under her bed.
     
  29. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

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    No, that's fannon. Fannon I can only assume was started by people who know jack about Lords of Chaos or Shade the Changing Man. I've seen those shorts, there's nothing nada zilch zero indicating he's a lord of chaos in them.

    Incorrect. Captain Nazi claimed to be the embodiment of National Socialism in Villains United #1 while fighting Black Adam, so no, Zoat didn't make that up.
     
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  30. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    No one reads the FAQ. No one reads the FAQ.
    'Reformed' Discord sided with Tirek. 'Reformed' Discord feigned illness, and later sheltered Tirek (again), Chryalis and the other one.
    Powerful insane magic user trying to commit mass murder in a country that's had quite enough of that.
    Do you know how many ponies died during Tirek's rampage?
    Because the process is immensly complex. You would need a magic talent unicorn or alicorn every time. Otherwise, there isn't anything stopping everypony.
    I read that up until the end of the Windy City arc, which was almost pure nonsensical soapboxing, then gave up after the author repeatedly refused to engage with me.
    He did?

    The obvious consequence is that he's cutting himself off from potential allies. Not all Lords of Chaos are as bad as the ones he's encountered.
    It's the Hellblazer version.
     
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