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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Cuchulin

    Cuchulin I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Good. That means we will be saved from any INTELLIGANT life forms discovering this world (or at least much of North America) is filled with feces flinging monkeys.
     
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  2. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    Ah the world.

    Truly it...sucks.
     
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  3. Ace Dreamer

    Ace Dreamer Questioning The Nature of our Realities

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    So, if it sucks all the time, that can obviously be harnessed as a source of power? :)

    Things to worry about: OL getting drunk enough that he says, "I've got this, hold my ring"? :)

    (You can decide if that's better or worse than "Hold my beer". :) )

    EDIT:

    I seem to keep putting 'OJ' instead of 'OL' - I think it's because orange juice (OJ), is, strangely, orange...
     
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  4. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    All versions of Mumm-Ra can be hurt by sunlight.

    It can't kill him though.
     
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  5. Norgarth

    Norgarth Making the rounds.

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    Yeah, I too foresee Lynn (and the other kids) demanding ponyback rides from her dad, and maybe Sunset):D
     
  6. Coda

    Coda Not too sore, are you?

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    You say that as if this author already doesn't blithely discard things that are nominally canon after a point of divergence.

    I know he's been asking a lot of questions, but this is a legitimate correction.

    We have brown gravy too!
     
  7. ForeverShogo

    ForeverShogo Know what you're doing yet?

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    White gravy is still gravy. It's still made with meat drippings. It's just whitened instead of browned.

    And it's just one type of gravy used in America. Not the only kind. We have the normal gravies too.
     
  8. Cuchulin

    Cuchulin I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    We also have Wavy Gravy , for now at least.
     
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  9. Railhazar

    Railhazar Getting sticky.

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    Well, it seems that the issue between Celestia and Sunset can't be surmize anymore as it's all Celestia's fault.

    Sunset doesn't want to make peace. She want Celestia to tell her she was wrong.

    The issue is that she is not. The Starswirl's Alicorne Ascension Spell needs for the recipient to go throught some form
    of spiritual enlightement about the nature of Harmony, Friendship and how Magic is connected to these concepts.

    However the path of enlightement is not found in books or the cold fact of the scientific method.

    Sunset firmly and stubbornly followed a pure scientific approach.

    Unfortunately, it was not a job for a scholar or a scientist but for a philosopher.

    Ultimately, Celestia biggest failure was her inability to convey this fact.

    Right now, Sunset Shimmer is an angry scientist who has missed and is still missing the point in spite of having succeed in
    her goal.

    The point is a that she was a poor student. She stubbornly refused to listen to her teacher, distrust her and arrogantly decide
    that she knew better than the thousand year old Alicorn who has ascended throught Starswirl's spell.

    So instead to sit down for a second to reflect upon that she may actualy be wrong.

    She decided to blame Celestia for all her woe like Dr Doom did to Reed Richards.
     
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  10. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
  11. QuiescentQueste

    QuiescentQueste Not too sore, are you?

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    Celestia was wrong. Literally none of what you said here is correct because CELESTIA WAS WRONG. You are also wrong by Zoat's canon.
     
  12. Thewildwolfofwesteros

    Thewildwolfofwesteros Hedonist

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    Do you have a link to the chapter with red lantern paul and the false angel I've been looking through the thread and cant find them?
     
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  13. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Here, here, here and here.
    How are we defining 'false'?
     
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  14. Wheenesss

    Wheenesss I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    It's the chapter named 'Fratricide Squad' if I recall correctly.
     
  15. AtomicGeneral25

    AtomicGeneral25 Insert Creativity Here

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    This would be a very good point, if it were not for the fact that Celestia was in fact wrong. She tried to get Sunset to follow the path that would allow her to ascend using Star swirl's spell (the philosophical approach as you put it). Based on everything Celestia knew about ascension, this was a reasonable course of action to take, even if she did a poor job of conveying the meaning to Sunset, it wouldn't change the fact that she thought Sunset's purely scientific approach wouldn't work. She wasn't being malicious in that, and a lot of things had to go exactly right for sunset to gain the capability to prove her wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that, at the end of the day, a purely scientific approach did work, Sunset proved it, and therefore Celestia was in fact wrong, and therefore was wrong to stifle Sunset's exploration of that approach.
     
  16. Cuchulin

    Cuchulin I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    No, if Sunset was a scientist it is in part because that is what Celestia taught her to be. Sunset missed the point because Celestia was trying to communicate in Zen Koans an trying to force Sunset to be some pony she wasn't. If Celestia wanted Sunset to be like Twilight then she didn't want a student so much as a cultist.
     
  17. Thewildwolfofwesteros

    Thewildwolfofwesteros Hedonist

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    I thank you both for your assistance, also the red lanterns are not how I expected them to be
     
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  18. Lazurman

    Lazurman Drunk Snek

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    Hey, I just had a thought. Was it ever mentioned what OL would do if he woke up in orbit of Earth with a power ring in the Mass Effect universe?

    Considering how much mileage the Paragon/Renegade symbols have been getting, I'd have thought there'd be a few snips in the 'verse they're from.
     
  19. Agent Orange

    Agent Orange Not too sore, are you?

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    Beeline for the nearest Cerberus Taco cart recruitment booth? On one hand it involves dealing with human scum with delusion of competence on the other... well Miranda.

    Alternately,

    Do the same with the Migrant Fleet and hit on Xen? Claudia Black is Claudia Black matter the species.
     
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  20. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    This whole pony episode thing may end on Thursday instead of Wednesday.

    Wednesday is April 1st so Zoat could have been trolling when he said we'd be finished with the ponies by then
     
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  21. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    There is nothing in ME that can charge the ring of a rockies lantern, he would have to assimilate a bunch of people and have the ring consume the resulting constructs for charge... And I don't know if that is a charge positive exchange.

    The first thing he would have to do is pillage databases for the restricted information on military grade cybernetic implants and power armor (armiger combat insertion armor build for human specs, then start to add cybernetics, nanomachines and element zero like a transhuman amalgam of the best Alec Ryder, the cyborgs NY from multi-player and Shepard post rebirth with a few book characters as well) to give himself an edge for when the charge dies.

    I wouldn't go with the flotilla quarians, they are too focused on getting their home world to use their neurons properly, if you want quarians bootie the Turians host a sizeable diaspora of quarians that abandoned the space gypsy fleet (the propaganda novela Yalí loves was made by them).
     
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  22. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    I don't think consuming the construct lanterns allows him to recharge his ring.
     
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  23. Agent Orange

    Agent Orange Not too sore, are you?

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    I think that's still negative charge by the standards set for this story. Assimilating people/Identity Theft still costs charge so he would still end up with less than he spent. Sybarite somehow managed to make it work with demons (thou I still don't understand how) but there's a dearth of those in Mass Effect verse. *shrug* Fallout SI made it work so I guess blowing the available charge for one-time self-enhancement would have him set on the personal power angle. Since it's Mass Effect I guess that means he'll just have to become Niftu Cal. That being said, no meta-knowledge so he'd probably waste quite a bit of charge just gathering information on upgrades.

    Yeah, this.

    I'm sorry, I stopped reading anything after 'I wouldn't go with the flotilla quarians' because that would mean no Claudia Black's voice.
     
  24. Threadmarks: Equestrian Guise (part 20)
    Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    1st April
    23:31 GMT -6


    The boom tube closes behind us and I open a new one to her laboratory almost immediately.

    "I realise that you're a little fraught, but you should probably switch the time ratio-."

    "Yeah." She trots forward. "Yeah."

    I follow her through, and… Looks like she didn't clear away the conjured ropes she used to bind Twilight. Sunset's horn glows as she points it at the inscriptions trapping the Earth 16 end of the portal in place, a ripple of power washing over it.

    "There. One to one. Circe will only be out by about a minute."

    I pick up the remains of the bondage gear in a construct.

    "What happened with this? And Twilight's tour?"

    "Fifteen to one, remember?" She levitates it out of my construct and places in it a thaumically isolating crate. "I'd barely gotten her untied before we felt Luna's magic through the mirror. I guess I'll… Give Twilight a tour some other time."

    "So.. you're… Alright with Twilight?"

    "Yeaah..? It's not like I thought I was Celestia's only student ever or anything. And… If we're right about her planning on using me to help Luna and… She didn't tell Twilight more than she told me… None of this… Was Twilight's fault." She gives her head a small shake. "And I got what I wanted anyway…"

    "Anger isn't really rational like that."

    "No. No, it's-. She's fine." She snorts quietly. "And maybe I can help open her mind to… Things that Celestia won't teach her."

    I nod. "Like bondage."

    She makes a small horse-splutter noise. "Not according to a rumour I heard-. That was you."

    I grin and nod. "Not the bondage part specifically, but I told a few guards that alicornism was sexually transmitted."

    Sunset looks at me for a moment, head tilted slightly to the right. "That's… A horribly you thing to say."

    "Thank you. And I hope you're not going to have a story about you creeping into Celestia's room with a-."

    "No! No, Grayven, that's-. Gross. And… And disgusting and it wouldn't even have worked." She shudders. "Uugh. I feel like I need a shower."

    "Slight problem with that."

    She frowns, then looks down at herself. "I'll just.. use the g-troll shower. They.. have one, right?"

    "Yes, but… Remember we're not actually that tall, just… Bigger than the other ponies."

    "Speak for yourself. I think I'm as tall like this as I am as a human."

    We stand in her laboratory for a few moments.

    "So… Celestia?"

    She waves her head from left to right.

    "I don’t.. know..? I don't know what I wanted, I don't know what I was expectingI don't know."

    I nod, and lay down on the floor.

    "Okay, so, what did the two of you talk about?"

    "I, um. We.. started with… Just.. the first time I was in the garden. I didn't really remember it. Wasn't really paying any attention to anything that wasn't her."

    "How long ago..?"

    "I don't know. A few weeks after I went to live in Canterlot? I grew up on the other side of the country and I was getting a bit overwhelmed with everything. We just.. chatted. Which was weird, because-. We don't exactly deify Celestia, but if you don't live close enough to Canterlot to actually see her, she's kind of…"

    "A sort of living myth."

    Sunset nods. "And not like Superman, or.. you. We don't have TV or radio. We haven't even had colour photography for all that long. And suddenly she's there and talking to me."

    "You left your friends behind." She looks at me with an interrogative frown. "When you moved."

    "Oh. Yeah. No one I was super close to, but… Yeah."

    I nod. No local friends, not much in common…

    "Did the other foals at the school mostly come from Canterlot?"

    "Mostly from Canterlot. Canterlot's a mostly-unicorn city, the centre of government and.. the.. second?" She thinks for a moment, then nods. "Second most populous city. It's not that surprising."

    But she was an outsider, and amongst the scions of powerful families she was selected for particular privilege. And she outperformed them all. Would that have discouraged ponies from befriending her, in the early days, before she got out of the habit? Don't know. And it's probably not relevant.

    "And then?"

    "She… Said that she hadn't banished me, and that she just wanted me to get some more experience outside of the palace before I started studying again. And that she was looking for a student because of Luna but that wasn't why she picked me, or why we had the relationship that we did."

    "Do you believe her?"

    "… Yeah. I mean, even if she didn't mean to when she started teaching me, I don’t think-. She wouldn't have put up with me as long as she did if-. Once it was pretty clear that I wasn't going to be using the Elements."

    "And did hearing that make you feel any better?"

    "I don’t know-. No. No, it didn't. Because it means that I didn't need to run through the mirror. There are plenty of other libraries in Equestria, especially in Canterlot. And I could-. Making friends wouldn't be that bad?"

    "Would you have made friends?"

    "No." She doesn't hesitate. "I was convinced that Celestia was holding out on me, because she was. I'd have kept looking. And I told her that, and wanted to know why she lied to me. And she-. She said that it was because I wasn't ready. I was sitting there.. as an alicorn, and she was telling me I wasn't ready."

    "Huh?"

    "Oh, she thinks I cheated. That I found some sort of.. nearly dark magic way around the 'natural'… Healthy way to become an alicorn. I think she wanted me to… I don't know, turn myself back, go back to Equestria and try learning what she was trying to teach me in the first place. And I wanted to know why she thought I'd want to, and she just-. She had no idea why I wouldn't. Like she literally couldn't understand what I was saying. And then I tried asking about all the stuff she obviously got wrong when she was teaching me, all the stuff she-. Should have done differently if she'd wanted me to end up like she said she wanted me to. I mean, if she wanted me to make friends so badly why didn't she say that instead of showing me the Mirror!"

    And she's crying, snot running down her muzzle.

    "Why-? And then she just-"

    I raise my right wing.

    "-couldn't understand why I thought she was part of the problem!"

    She dives into my side, pressing herself up against me and sobbing into my barrel as I wrap my wing around her.

    "Why doesn't she get it?!"
     
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  25. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    I thought that most of the upgrades Alliance marines got were genetic? Regardless, that's just going to make him a slightly optimised version of something that already exists in the setting. Assimilating a reaper and sharing its knowledge with the Geth Entire is a far better use of an orange ring's abilities.
     
  26. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    'plenty of other' not 'plent of other'

    'holding out on' not 'holding on out'
     
  27. BlueAnime88

    BlueAnime88 Getting out there.

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    out on me?
     
  28. Cuchulin

    Cuchulin I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Seems like Sunbutt is just to used to being "right" and having all the answers.
     
  29. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    Spend a thousand years with everyone practically considering you to a infallible god and you would find it difficult to consider yourself wrong.
     
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    I am going to guess the same reason why you don't get it.
     
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