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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Queshire

    Queshire Not too sore, are you?

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    I don't think there was ever really a connection with life, and.... did Zoat ever actually confirm the Life entity being in Earth?
     
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  2. Ngamer11

    Ngamer11 I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    He did. While Paul was fused with the Ophidian, Paulphidian commented that they didn't want to disturb the Life Entity.
     
  3. Agent Orange

    Agent Orange I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I dunno about WoG but I vaguely recall Paul having a chat with Hinon and her basically confirming it.
     
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  4. Yog

    Yog Know what you're doing yet?

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    1) Citation please. And even allowing for that, SBP is rather in league of its own, and in canon worm text I don't remember similar weapons at all.
    2) What gravitational effects? are you using that "denser to the core" fanon? It's not density, it's durability that increases.


    How? No, seriously. Ok, let's say that shards can perceive him correctly. Note: that's not a given at all, if he has any scry wards, and shard remote inter-dimensional perception is technological in nature, given that those shut down ring scans completely. He might as well not exist as far as shard senses go. But, ok, let's grant it to you that shards can see him. Let's say that they have seen him use a mallet construct, a chainsaw construct and a singularity beam projectior construct. How do they know which he will use in any given situation? Please remember that he has enlightenment, which is a soul structure alteration that directly affects his decision making and is unlikely to be (easily) modeled by shards.

    Oh, and how would they model glow construct properties? Unless you posit that Miss Militia is a green lantern knockoff and her constructs are glow based of course, or something similar, modeling interactions between yellow light and, say, Gallant's emotion blasts is likely to produce "ERROR: Divide by Banana" messages.
     
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  5. Handlewithcare

    Handlewithcare I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    So we're going to see Purple Healing Starros?

    Would be hilarious to see Paul repurpose mental parasites as universal paramedics.

    Part of the Indigo Lantern Corps perhaps?
     
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  6. Idkusername

    Idkusername I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    It's an entirely different scale. Power Rings are at least a couple magnitudes above tinkers in Worm.

    'Easily modelled'. HAHAHHAHAHA

    Stop making up character motivations to suit your fucked up headcanon.
     
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  7. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    Endbringer layers being denser is canon, not fanon.

    As is the explanation given by Wildbow about just how much of a matter reserve they have to draw from and how that works.

    Scry wards protect against Power Ring scans because the light is basically magic.

    Scry Wards don't protect against anything purely technological in nature.

    Also you are over thinking things, the Shards don't have to model the "how" of what he does, just the "what" of it.

    As to how they will know what things he will use in any situation, he's human, modeling humans is not hard, they do it literally all the time.


    Not completely, they can't manipulate time for one.
     
  8. Idkusername

    Idkusername I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Where did you pull that from? I never mentioned the scope of what a Power Ring could do, though they have Worm tinkers beat at that too. And really? Power Rings can't facilitate time travel?
     
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  9. Yog

    Yog Know what you're doing yet?

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    Citation please. Because no, it's fanon, or, rather, it's directly wrong. The canon citation uses the word durability, not density.
    No, he used the word "equivalent" and he also directly stated that a planet kracking attacked is enough to kill one.
    That's your supposition. Power Rings are very explicitly not magic.
    But they can't. Sure, they could, in principle, model "this is a yellow colored solid object" for a construct. Then Gallant's fear-inducing blast (with the kinetic impact effect that should be enough to shatter it) impacts it, overcharges the construct, and causes it to explode, wiping out the neighborhood. And mistakes like that will keep on happening.
    He's an enlightened human. Enlightenment is unique to humans (or close enough), is magic/soul based and directly affects his decision making. Coupled with ring's own sensory input (which shards are unlikely to model), this means he'll be operating on unknown to shards dataset using unknown to shards decision making process. Meaning that it would be very hard, if not outright impossible to predict his behavior in any unusual situation.
     
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  10. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Okay, that one's weird.

    Purple healing ray= magic.

    When it's invented by Wonder Woman or Io, sure, okay.

    When Zoat made the inventor Paula Von Gunther, a Nazi scientist, well that leaves me wondering if in her spare time after learning magic if she took up knitting or interpretative dance in her apparently very abundant spare time on Themyscira.
     
  11. moralrelativity

    moralrelativity Not too sore, are you?

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    Why do I get the feeling that Mr Augustin is going to ride a little more recklessly from now on. After all, if he can get all fixed up for free then there's no real reason why he shouldn't have a bit more fun, right?
     
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  12. SirKaid

    SirKaid Know what you're doing yet?

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    The Nazis in DC spent a fair amount of time on magic and mystical stuff in general.
     
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  13. Information era

    Information era Getting sticky.

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    Endbringers have some weird space warping going on that messes with spatial powers. Whether that blocks a singularity beam or not is anyone's guess.

    Zoat's version of power rings is as least slightly magical. The scry wards make him invisible to magic, but not to any technological means of detection. Otherwise the dime store scry wards initially used against him wouldn't have done anything.

    Though a thought occurs, most of his power armor and stuff is at or below sivana level since it is cribbed off of other people's designs, not maltusian in origin. Would Ziz be able to brute force past any telepathy defenses he has? If so, that would be bad for him. Sure he could name protect himself, but after the first time or so Ziz could adjust and censor learning the name.

    Honestly at the end of the day it is a problem of scale. Power rings are awesome, but he has at most 400% charge at any time. He isn't invincible and that should probably be shown soon.
     
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  14. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Stupid past-me, always making my life difficult.
    Sounds about right, but artefacts relying on specific magic structures to work will fail away from their native environment.
    Then let us speak of it no more.
     
  15. Aeess

    Aeess I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Renegade used it several times in Space, on himself, on Mortalla, on Adam Blake, on various Tamaranean Slaves and he also used the Purple Death Ray against Citadelians.
     
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  16. BR549

    BR549 This is filth! FILTH!!

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    Green Lantern Rings have been capable of time travel since Alan Scott got one.

    Vaermina really needs to do the research or stop removing all doubt with every post they make.
     
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  17. CTrees

    CTrees Chasing the ring

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    On negative consequences, the simplest is that once they start going on sale/being broadly distributed, people may figure out the purple death ray. That's a pretty potent weapon to get into the wild.
     
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  18. inglorius

    inglorius Getting out there.

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    Sounds like new gods fuckery to me. Their tech is explicitly magical, Renegate used thaumic devices to boost his healing, another Grayven ship was suffused by his will, etc.
     
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  19. Yog

    Yog Know what you're doing yet?

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    Honestly, I am surprised that the purple ray is not a glow manipulation device. It's purple, which is somewhere between indigo and violet, ie compassion and love. It would make perfect sense that it be a healing device. Hell, it would even make sense if it was a device inspired by Alan's Power RIng.
     
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  20. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    You would have to change A LOT to make Paul current statement Canon as other users have noted several occasions in with the ray was used off earth (I think Grayven used it on Xeros too), the easiest thing is to change the current update and let Koriant take a few purple rays home, or find a more suitable excuse. But "It's magic and magic doesn't work off earth" is demonstrably not true or accurate.
     
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  21. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Ah...

    Yeah, okay. Let me have a rethink.
     
  22. nick012000

    nick012000 Experienced.

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    Maybe he was powering with his god-nature rather than Earth's ambient magical energy field?
     
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  23. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Okay, trying again. The SI only used it to close relatively small wounds while the Renegade has a connection to the Source.
     
  24. BlueMangoAdea

    BlueMangoAdea Alive. For now.

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    Maybe make the healing rays only work in high-magic environment(not necessarily Earth)? Both Paragon and Renegade don't exactly have normal souls, so near them counts as high-magic environment?
     
  25. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    That works for the Renegade but not for the SI.
     
  26. BlueMangoAdea

    BlueMangoAdea Alive. For now.

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    Hmm. They get "charged" in high magic environments, and eventually stop working outside high magic environments?
     
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  27. WargWolf

    WargWolf Giver of successor chapters

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    As he has Orange Enlightenment, he can simply use Orange Light as a stopgap for the lack of magic. Other laterns could possibly do the same... but it would actually drain their power reserves. Quite a bit. So, in truth, Paul is the only one who can use Purple Rays away from Earth regularly.

    That work?
     
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  28. rkyeun

    rkyeun Cabbitus Maximus

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    Suggest: It has a capacitor that stores magic, that works away from Earth for a few shots before the well runs dry and it has to recharge from Earth.
    Earth still gets to export one-use versions of the device, but when other species on other planets try to make one, it's junk because they can't ever charge the battery.
     
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  29. Zig

    Zig Getting sticky.

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    Here is a WoG stating they have a spiral galaxy's worth of matter in them (though it also states the League would probably defeat them)
    https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/worm-quotes-and-wog-repository.294448/page-6#post-16197175

    You're also missing something important. This isn't just a Worm setting. This is a setting where it is possible to dimension travel between a Worm setting, DC settings, and Thundercats. Given the nature of the entities, this means that they are very very likely to not only have encountered glow based devices (if not power rings themselves) but to have shards based on them.

    And modeling isn't that specific. He might confuse some of the lower tier Thinkers but the base powerset of the ring would be trivial to model for many. Pulling exotic tech out of his subspace pocket would definitely give him an edge against some but again, the shards are multiversal and scanning what he has in his subspace pocket would be trivial. And shards aren't technology or magic. They are biological and have exotic sensory organs.
     
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  30. Dragonriderjh

    Dragonriderjh ******** of Doom

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    Typo spotted.
     
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