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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    I think he could have just teleported into the zone, instead of just walking in there by foot.
     
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    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    Cauldron would have stopped him.

    Even if it took portaling a bunch of Bakuda's timestop bombs onto the place.

    Remember, they literally have the best precogs in existence working for them, the ability to remotely view anything, and the ability to portal anything anywhere.
     
  3. Sorrow

    Sorrow Making the rounds.

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    I've been wondering, is Earth Bet/Worm just the version Earth of the Universe that Lord Protector finds himself in? Or did he have to transfer dimensions?
     
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  4. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    The question is, how long ago does a mass killing have to happen before it's purely historical? A few episodes ago we had a tribe in Brazil who considered the Brazilian government to be Portuguese collaborators despite the killing happening centuries ago. Here, we have Lord Protector talking to the inhabitants of a town whose previous inhabitants they killed a few years ago. Lord Protector himself is the ruler of both cats and lizards who have killed the others' people, military and civilian. Obviously we don't draw the line at any point within the last twenty years, but other than that, when?
     
  5. l---erddad---l

    l---erddad---l Wait, google can see this?

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    I think it has to do with transition of power. Generally speaking, it's not considered fair to perfectly ascribe crimes to people who didn't commit them but they can be partially ascribed if you benefited from the crimes (hence holding Americans mildly responsible for everything that happened with the indigenous tribes even tho we weren't there), but I think it's a bunch of gray areas past the transition of power from one generation to the next. I think in this case it most definitely isn't, because it's the same guy who did it. The crime is something he did personally, so even if you can't blame his children for it, you can still blame him.

    I mean, personally I think this is an entirely Paul thing to do. Nilbog isn't going to harm anyone if he's left alone AND has what he needs to prosper. This includes needing food for his creations. Then, Paul can get work out of something that was a threat beforehand, and also neutralize the threat. Maybe not the generally accepted as moral thing to do, since humans are all about retribution, but I think it's the utilitarian thing to do.
     
  6. Aeess

    Aeess I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I mean you could argue that Nilbog is a rapist/pedophile since he's having sex with his creations and it's debatable how much they can consent. Not to mention that he has them eat each other(though he does not really have an alternative). So I am not sure you could say that he isn't harming anyone at the moment.

    Overall I consider dealing with him rather morally questionable unless truly necessary.
     
  7. Assblaster5000

    Assblaster5000 Your first time is always over so quickly, isn't it?

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    Huh, was actually right? Are people genuinely not going to argue about a work of fiction beyond the semantics of a single word?

    ...

    I wasn't aware I'd stepped into The Twilight Zone.
     
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    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    Nilbog is insane and has the functional mentality of a human child.

    Anything Paul does with him is the equivalent of hitting a tanker truck full of unstable nitroglycerin with a sledge hammer.
     
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  9. Assblaster5000

    Assblaster5000 Your first time is always over so quickly, isn't it?

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    Never mind then, hello once again Earth, how I missed you for those short few moments.

    At least I don't have to worry about a child willing me out of existence anymore.
     
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    That's assuming they can actually view him, precog him, or move him anywhere.

    He has advanced tech and magic, probably even added something like the paragons tattoos, so it's possible they can't even see him right now. And Lisa passed out after seeing him so he may somehow be resistant to such powers.

    Even if they are capable of viewing him, they may not want to interfere because they may like to see how he works and his modus operandi.

    And before you say that this doesn't make sense remember that they did do a lot of weird shit in canon that didn't make much sense.

    Good answer on why Nilbog should be blamed and held accountable for his actions.

    This Paul may be trying out paragons whole rehabilitation thing.

    Nilbog is a fairly powerful biomancer, so maybe LP is trying to get him to use his powers for something more productive.
     
  11. Rani

    Rani I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Nilbog wasn't insane and childlike when he started. That was attributed to him spending over a decade with no contact with anyone except for yes men who worshiped him as a god.
     
  12. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    Even if he was not insane and childlike when he started, which is debatable seeing as what he did to that city and its inhabitants is not exactly the mark of a sane man, now he is very much insane and childlike.
     
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  13. Rani

    Rani I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    His power basically went to his head. He was a loner theorized to have gotten his powers as a result of losing his job as a banker and having no way to pay off the bills he had piling up when he couldn't find a new job quickly.

    His extermination of the town was pretty methodically and thought out, he didn't just brute force zerg rush it.
     
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    That still doesn't exactly disprove the possibility that he was insane during that time.

    It may disprove the possibility that he was childlike during that time, and even that's not a guarantee, but not the insanity thing.

    Now however he very much is insane and childlike.
     
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    I... don't think Nilbog did these things in Worm.

    I could be wrong as it's been some time since I read Worm, but I think you may be thinking of that guy from Rick and Morty who Beth trapped in that place Rick made for her so she doesn't kill other children.
     
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    l---erddad---l Wait, google can see this?

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    After they die he reuses their biomaterial, but there's nothing aside from pessimism that says that he had sex with his creations. It seems like he saw them as pseudo-children subjects of his kingdom.
     
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    Yeah I think he mistook Nilbog for that guy from Rick and Morty.
     
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  18. Aeess

    Aeess I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    No he definitely did that, here look
    https://parahumans.wordpress.com/2013/07/27/sting-26-4/
    Though there are obvious similarities to King Tommy, that have been pointed out before.

    Nilbog obviously came first.
     
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  20. Coda

    Coda Not too sore, are you?

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    its

    comma instead of semicolon
     
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    Even assuming LP was nothing but a blindspot, which we know he isn't since people can see and hear him, Clairvoyant would still know where he was from the blindspot itself.

    Further you're missing an important point, Niblog isn't a "wait and see" level of problem, he's a "kill it with nuclear fire" problem that only avoids being killed with fire due to the fact that the scales are precariously weighed on the razor edge of doing so being more damaging then just letting him sit in the town till everything starves to death.




    Like hitting a giant tanker truck full of unstable nitroglycerin with a sledgehammer...
     
  22. Mr Zoat

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
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    iamnuff Connoisseur.

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    Yeah, Nilbog is an entirely reprehensible creature.
    I can't think of any reason to deal with him, or anything useful that he could give you beyond canon-fodder troops.

    None of those people were an enlightened Yellow Lantern.

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but at this point he should be more than capable of sterilising an area X kilometres wide, which would render all of Nilbog's backup plans totally futile.
    All of his stuff is trapped in Ellisburg, or he'd have used it already to try to break containment, and all of his creations are purely biological in nature.
    Just exterminate all lifeforms inside the containment area. Everything from people to bugs to bacteria. Go a mile or two deep underground too.
    Hit em with the blue-rinse.
    If you can brute-force Lung, then you can brute-force Nilbog

    But you can't take away the risk of a runaway Biological WMD, because that's literally what they are, and whileever Nilbog remains Nilbog (An unrepentant insane mass-murderer) that is all they will ever be.
    Them being sapient lifeforms is true, but they're unceasingly loyal to their creator, who is a mass-murdering lunatic, so it doesn't matter.

    He made them to murder a city, and if not for the containment zone aggressively exterminating anything that attempts to leave the area and his own lack of resources preventing him from forcing his way out, he'd have killed millions or billions more people.
    Dude needs to die, and that means all his kids need to go with him.

    No pity for any of them.

    Long enough that the person who perpetrated it isn't still alive and ruling the country.
     
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    l---erddad---l Wait, google can see this?

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    I 1000% disagree here. To not pity a sentient being for being in a situation which completely disallows their life from continuing to exist means that you are unable to empathize with others at a normal level. If a cult indoctrinates children to be assassins, you would mourn them, even as you accept that generally they're too far gone to be redeemed.
     
  25. Senevri

    Senevri Getting sticky.

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    Am I supposed to get Oliver Cromwell vibes here?
     
  26. Vaermina

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    He can't even really give that since his Troops are basically much less intelligent Skaven that will overrun and depopulate pretty much anywhere they are sent.
     
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    iamnuff Connoisseur.

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    I don't empathise with monsters.

    These aren't cultist children. They're puppets.

    All of nilbog's children love him enough to be willing to die for him. That's not natural.
    No rebellion? No teenage angst? No dislike for his methods? No diverging opinions at all?
    It could be a facet of their youth, I suppose. The eldest of them is four years old.

    On the other hand, they don't seem to have much capacity for empathy and they'd rip you to shreds in a moment if he gave the order.
    No, I see them as extensions of Nilbog's will, and he needs to die. Therefore they need to die, because they are part of him.

    You can't cut off a man's head and leave his limbs alive, so you can't kill Nilbog without wiping out his spawn too.

    Whether they 'deserve' pity or not is irreverent. It won't change the facts of the situation, and it might make the necessary work of sterilising the area harder or more emotionally damaging for yourself than if you just chose not to.
     
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    He's not a blind spot to most people that are just watching him in person, kinda like how Paul whose tattoos make him difficult to view through arcane means, but seeing him with eyes is still possible, but he most likely is one to Thinkers given what happened to Lisa.

    He may also have a way of avoiding people knowing where he was by searching that blind spot, especially after spending several days in that universe, and he also would have good reason to cloak himself using some of his equipment, which the locals may not be able to detect since its not exactly tinkertech, but rather alien tech combined with magic, both things that I think a lot of the locals don't have much, if any, experience with.

    As for Cauldron letting him do all these things, they may not be able to see him or grab him, or even if they can after spending several days killing high level threats they may want to recruit him for their 'Kill Zion' plan that they're willing to take a risk on seeing how he works.

    And don't say that it doesn't make sense that they would do that. A whole lot of their actions in canon didn't make sense.
     
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    You forget that Zoat already directly stated that what happened to Lisa and that it had nothing to do with any sort of magical blocking ability/technology.

    Also the LP is way to low tier to be any use against Zion.
     
  30. Darko

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    Citation for the first one please.

    Also he could have started using such equipment after spending some time in Earth Bet, after figuring out what types of powers exist there.

    LP is an enlightened Lantern with extremely advanced equipment.

    That's not exactly low tier in any sense of the word, seeing as he's at least on the Triumvirates level, if not higher.

    Power rings in the comics have done some extremely powerful things, up to and including destroying planets.
     
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