With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I do hope we'll see more of Warhammer Paul in the future, if only to see him interact with either Khalida or the High Elves. For the latter, I imagine it certainly be fascinating see how conversation with the likes of Teclis or Tyrion would go.

PAUL: Why the lack of mechanical engineering? I imagine elves would find it simplicity itself, given the general high intelligence your people possess!

TECLIS: I believe my people usually prefer the works of spellcraft to the "lesser" smelly, noisy, and messy dwaf-like work of such physical labors as engineering. They are a.... proud and most sensitive lot.

 

Cool, I will wait while you find where he made himself immune to pain.

He's not dead, because bad writing ignored the consequences of the things described in the chapter.

I would think you would get that given I all but spelled out my meaning.

 

The Sheeda might not be the descendants of humanity, but their successors.

The Sheeda claim the "blood of scorpions and spiders."

They might be humans who engineered themselves into being fae-like bug people or the Sheeda might have been created as fae-like bug people.

Or if you want to get really comic book mankind nuked themselves into oblivion and the insects really did inherit the earth, evolving into bug people.

Let's face it, the fact that Sheeda and humans are genetically compatible isn't really a clue as to which origin is true.

 

Cool, I will wait while you find where he died in this chapter and when he didn't summon his rings back to him, even if rereading the chapter shows that he didn't die and managed to summon them back to him.

He's not dead, because Zoat wanted to show how his character has advanced himself in various ways that allow him to do things ordinary people can't.

And no, trying to figure out what you mean is a herculean task, seeing as you're terrible at expressing yourself more often than not.

 

And that's you admitting you can't.

No duh, but he should be, because Zoat screwed up when writing the chapter.

 

And that's you admitting you will use every single excuse to justify your beliefs, even when they don't make much sense.

Provide me with proof he died and didn't call his rings back in this chapter and I will attempt to find the part where he told Kon he made some changes to himself.

Oh why not here's the part where he said he made some changes to himself:

Bruce Banner should be dead after he got exposed to radiation.

Peter Parker should be dead after being bitten by a radioactive animal.

Plastic Man and Joker should be dead after falling in a vat of toxic chemicals.

This isn't exactly the first time a fictional character should be dead after something horrible happens to them, yet they live.

 

This is a world of comic-book physics. This is a cosmos where people are canonically able to gasp out dying words after their chest cavity gets a perfectly cylindrical hole blasted through it, despite not having a diaphragm to gasp with.

Even in real-world physics, Vae, you're just straight up wrong. And not like the "you're arguing for real-world stuff in a comic book setting" like you usually are... This time around, you're COMPLETELY wrong.

Shock doesn't work that way. Shock is the result of systemic hypoxia -- contrary to popular belief, pain has nothing to do with it. The most relevant form of shock for OL here is neurogenic shock, which is NOT a pain reaction, but is instead the result of a catastrophic neurological injury... and he's most certainly lost a large portion of his spinal cord. You might also reasonably argue for hypovolemic shock, but a double amputation isn't going to cause that right away; on the contrary, there's a reflex that tries to intentionally restrict blood flow to the extremities in such cases that's commonly (and incorrectly) associated with shock. In either case, it's well-known that it takes several seconds for unconsciousness to occur.

OL will certainly not be firing on all cylinders. He'll be experiencing a massive hormone dump as his autonomous nervous system goes haywire as a result of the massive injuries. If he were a normal human under normal physics with no schizotech, yeah, he'd be a goner, and the few seconds it would take for his brain to shut down wouldn't really make a difference.

But he HAS schizotech. His first thought after losing his hands is to call his rings to him. That'll only take a couple seconds, during which time he'll probably be rapidly fading, but the moment he gets contact with them again, the environmental shield takes over such mundane requirements as supplying oxygen to the brain. That's something that's already been established to not even require conscious awareness. And as soon as that happens, the progression of shock stops and begins to reverse. And with power rings able to take over the responsibility of keeping his body functioning, the rest of the scene is entirely consistent with established principles.

 

This isn't that little one.

Also your second attempt at an example is just straight up wrong on every level.

Finally I am laughing really hard right now given Paul did a "the more you know" segment that showed the vast vast majority of humans just die to those sorts of things. (Except the radioactive spider bite, because that's not really deadly unless the venom was already deadly.)

Partially correct, as what you described is one type of shock, but partially Incorrect because pain does cause shock.

Next time you come to an internet fight, at least do a cursory google of the subject.

 

Genuine question with no intent to mock that I would like an honest answer to: Do you Vaermina enjoy the suffering of other human beings?

 

Paul isn't the vast majority of humans in a lot of ways.

He managed to summon his rings to him before the Sheeda could kill him and they saved his life.

This isn't up for debate, it happened.

Next time you decide to defend your beliefs at least read the chapter you're debating about.

 

Is the 'entropy ray' inspired by this (awesome) bit in the Blue Beetle comic? If so, kudos - that's a great fleshing out of a throw-away gag line.

Spoiler: POTENTIAL THEOLOGICAL IMPLICATIONS

 

'looks'

Maybe 'your'

 

Well, if the energy is being channeled into the bleed it's not so much being "destroyed" as much as changed/relocated outside the universe. I suppose it just depends on your perspective.

 

I thought Leonid was staunchly atheist from the episode a while back with the Sheeda in the small town, though maybe I'm misremembering.

 

Wonder how long it will take him to remember that he lost his one and only available Spell Eater along side his chest to that weapon.

 

Something, something, British food joke.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

He may still know what the dominant faith in his country thinks on certain matters.

He may already know that, but is not thinking about it.

Tao and Adams were carrying backpacks with supplies with them so they most likely have some with them.

They don't have a subspace pocket and the League has been using magic equipment.

 

As someone's who's been to England, I am not really sure how much worse it could get.

There are some things you just shouldn't put vinegar on.

 

Understandable. Too many bad memories, too many enemies looking for vengeance. So they had their own little exodus.

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

Well, let him eat it if he wants. No need to risk your taste buds on it though.

Now those sound familiar. And is it just me, or do the 'men of water' sound like Chemo the chemical titan?

Their breeding devices? Because of course he would. Or am I forgetting something. Been a long time since I read the Seven Soldiers stories.

Reasonable enough. It makes sense that the Columbians, and thus the grundymen, are contaminated enough by Sheeda genes for the control magic used on the Sheeda creatures to affect them too...

People can justify nearly anything to themselves, given a need for it.

I'm reminded of several Necromancy greentext stories. The Caretaker and his family, for one. And another i can't remember any name for, where an odd old man, living at the edge of town, has a hidden army made from the bones of the villagers and summons them to defend it. All within the realm of 'good' Necromancy.

Hmm... While he may be atheist, I doubt he was born and raised that way. Presumably, he knows some of the traditions of the church...

For a given definition of it, yes. Some would claim otherwise, but most people don't pay attention to those assholes.

True enough. And that's before you get into other related faiths...

These days, at least. We'll not talk about the Troubles, thanks.

So they were driven onwards again and again, until they could stop the assaults. That explains so much about the Witch-Hunters' mindsets.

Like the Vatican's exorcists and the like, mentioned a long time ago? Makes sense.

Reaching for more power than their faith allows them, whether out of desire for personal gains or some other great need. All too familiar a story.

They did break away, what, three hundred years ago, at least?

Hells, where do you start?

From the Controller's files, I assume.

Oh, my god, is Gromweld right?

That honestly makes sense. Both in the comic version and in this story. Well done, Mr Zoat.

So, a bit like the Crumbler tech, but more aggressive. No wonder it went through his constructs like smoke.

Man, if only you'd trained in the early-game skill-tree branch that can deal with Magic. It's not too late to re-spec...

No doubt they're being harassed by the Sheeda. Hopefully.

Hmm... A few possibilities here. The warlock-breed are being affected by Sheeda attacks as much as the Columbians. They're being ignored because of their more 'unlocked' Sheeda traits. They're (or at least one group of them are) in control of the Sheeda creatures themselves. I suppose we'll see soon, whatever happens.

Mr Tao bows his head slightly. "Is that significant?"

 

... that’s a point- he’s extremely used to having spell eaters on hand-And even had an automated macro set to swap them in and out of sub space-
has he processed that he can’t just replace the one that got blasted and is unwarded/protected from the arcane right now?

 

His tattoos do provide him with some protection.

He may have also carried some on his person like how he didn't put his lantern in subspace, and the one on his chest was the only one that was damaged.

The others may also have extras to give him.

Tao and Adams were carrying backpacks with supplies in them, maybe there were some extra eaters.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

I guess if English food was worse than it is today, people would go to Indian restaurants instead of going to... Indian restaurants.

 

Their undetectability is the current biggest threat.

If it eworks against magic and colour powered clarke-tech it must be a real doozey.

Also: Zoat, do the Puritans know the Sheeda are kind of humans?

 

To be fair, English food culture was better before two world wars and the rationing they required (and the Labour government in the late 1940s shooting themselves in the foot by extending rationing long past the point where it was needed) ruined everything. Victorian and Edwardian food (for the upper classes) was pretty nice.

 

I'm not sure it matters considering they're biologically related.

 

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from divinity?

If they don't know the energy is being shunted to another dimension, then it would look like it was being erased, much like a bleed torsion generator would look like it was creating energy ex nihilo.