With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

He may have tried to follow up on that but got nowhere.

The info may not have been in the place they attacked and Highfather may not want them to get anywhere near Key before he gets rid of the Equation in him, and Highfather himself may not know how to do it.

The only ones who may know are Desaad, who may have figured it out, and Darkseid.

If Paul didn't find anything about this then he may have focused on other uplift projects and just forgot about it because he had so much on his plate already.

He may call him Lantern now as a show of respect for his rank, while he views Illustres as his god name.

He may feel like calling Paul by his god name would be wrong when they are on a mission.

It can be like calling a cop officer instead of their name when you meet them for the first time, or calling your commanding officer by their name rather than title when on a mission. It can be weird.

No, renegade Dox is the Clarissi in the renegade side.

Renegade is called First Lantern, at least that's what renegade Komand'r called him once if I remember correctly.

The Clarissi is basically in charge of organising a Corps.

The Illustres may be the most skillful of the ring users, and maybe train the other elite Lanterns as well as lead their Honor Guard.

The First Lantern may serve as the Corps champion and similarly lead the Honor Guard.

At least that's my understanding from what I've read, but I could be wrong.

 

In this story, the title First Lantern is like a dictator in Republican Rome. An individual is given extraordinary authority to deal with a crisis. It reflects the fact that Grayven can do whatever the heck he wants.

 

It's fine if that happened, but that would deserve a mention in-story at the very least, and I don't believe that was the case. Of course, New Genesis can't really be allowed to be competent or make meaningful headway (in 3 canon seasons all we've seen from them are a bunch of naive idealistic teens and possibly Metron, who while not incompetent isn't on anyone's side but his own). I don't think Paragon's ever explicitly given a reason for not wanting to visit Highfather though, even if there are a bunch I can think of.

Maybe I forgot (semi-ironic given what I'm discussing) or am just mistaken, but doesn't Paragon have an eidetic memory for everything that happened after his initial power ring-assisted makeover?

 

New Gods tend to think of paragon as being an Apokaliptian due to his avarice composed soul so he may not want to deal with the suspicion they would have of him.

Highfather is also interested in upholding the treaty and helping them against Apokalips may be breaking it.

Yes Apokalips is doing horrible things now, but I'm betting that if they actually went to war it would be a hundred times worse and hundreds of worlds could burn.

Paul may not be trying to deal with Highfather because he doesn't consider it possible to get anything from him.

Scott wasn't able to make much headway and he's the guys son, while Paul is just some stranger that has no connection to him and feels Apokaliptian.

Paul may have an eidetic memory but he may not instantly remember things, but when he does he remembers every single detail.

 

Actually there's a potential third source of New Gods.

You see, in the comics, Metron? Metron claims to be born of neither New Genesis or Apokalips.

He uses it to justify his lack of interest in the New God-Apokalips war. "It's not my war, I'm from neither planet, sort it out yourselves."

Offhand if Zoat didn't want to make something up whole cloth, he could use Magog's people.

In the Magog series it turned out that Gog when he pulled his Galactus impression and made Magog his herald turned him into an Old God.

Much to Magog's surprise, Magog's (as in the Old God, not David Reid) relatives showed up alive on Earth.

The kingdom of Blighted Albion. Gogmagog is a giant from Athurian myth.

So in DC it seems that the original King Arthur was/is an Old God.

So it wouldn't be too much of a change to make Blighted Albion a third faction of New Gods.

Not that I'm holding my breath, but thought I'd put it out there.

 

I played one of those in a game once. Well, mine didn't have the needle-sized rapier; that was his teammate (who rode a large, trained housecat). My character was a spellcaster, preferring fiery lasers or blasts of razor-sharp sand.

Missing the closing quote on the godspeech.

 

Given we have evidence of him forgetting things since his "upgrade" I don't think his memory would qualify as eidetic.

 

He displayed some things even pretty early on. IIRC, when ParaPaul and Wonder Woman first met Barda and Scott Free, he managed to produce Godspeech that Barda could hear, though he didn't notice or intend to (something like 'pointless pointless stop stop').

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

Maybe 'to the'

'is' not 'if'

Maybe 'going to'

Truly it is a tragedy on the same level as Hitlers death.

Sniff sniff.

 

Given they had thousands of years to study a Father Box it shouldn't.

But then I suspect Zoat forgot about that.

 

Canis is right to be worried. Apokolips exists in a higher plane of existence anything that destroyed it would have to be so powerful it's a threat to all existence. Second if the new gods are gone who took their concepts over? Something had to because the Sheeda prove tyranny and war still exist.

 

I think he'll be fine when he learns that they only know about the New Gods because a caveman that was experimented on by them travelled to the Sheeda's time and was captured.

 

Was Paul actually accelerating his brain here? If so, it's not clear because it's not consistent with the way you've described this in past episodes.

 

In Young Justice Apokolipse is just another planet in the universe that can be reached through regular space.

 

I don't think Apokalips exists in something like the Sphere of Gods in this story, but is just a planet in the universe and not one in another dimension.

It could have been destroyed by either the New Genesians, or maybe the Lanterns or something else.

They could have also destroyed themselves or made themselves irrevelant in the greater scheme of the universe.

In Earth 50 they went civil war after Darkseid's death, so maybe Darkseid was killed and they went to war with each other and either blew themselves up or are still fighting but have no spaceships, ways to build more, or anyone that has any power worth mentioning.

The New Gods also probably don't manage their concepts on a universal scale.

They have powers connected to their concepts, like Metron being super intelligent and Darkseid being able to dominate people, but I don't think they serve as some kind of necessary cogs in the universe.

War and Tyranny existed long before they came about and will probably continue to exist long after they're gone.

Though I guess it could be possible to do some kind of ritual on them that gets rid of, or buries, their concept on a universal scale.

I remember this YJ SI story in which the MC, who is blessed by a lot of pagan gods to act as a priest, captures and magically mutilates a child abuse elemental or something, and it allows him to deal a giant blow to child abusers in the world.

 

Redirecting the Harrowing to appear on Apokolips may be useful.

 

At least you know this 'light at the end of the tunnel' isn't a train. Hopefully whatever's ahead doesn't hit like one.

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Typical Sheeda, really. Repurposing something that already exists. and since this is DC, that cavern could be the size of a city.

Crud, the whole region is riddled with Sheeda tunnels, isn't it? They could come up like anthills everywhere. No wonder the others are running around putting out brush fires.

Great, more dealing with ol' Swirly-cheeks' false joviality.

Objective in sight. But don't forget about the defences.

Because of course Melmoth can recognise an Apokaliptian. Guess that Father Box is playing nice for him then.

Gods, will someone shut him up please? Dude is tailor-made to get on people's nerves, isn't he?

Time for some rip-'n'-tear action on the pixies. Remember, kill the mobs, then go looting.

Something like baby plasma constructs? Miniature versions of the living sun The Renegade fought?

No time for chit-chat, Canis. Get your DPS butt in gear. And good to see there are still things that can surprise OL...

...Well, that's not good. Weapons tailored for anti-Lantern work?

...Arm gone? Ouch. Howsabout you don't pull that tanking shit again, OL? I rather doubt you can take too much of that.

-Try to survive. Seriously, this is bad tactical thinking. Bearding the enemy in their own lair, on ground of their preparation. No wonder they're kicking your arse. I thought you were listening during the Team's lectures, OL?

Thankfully, OL still has his rings buried inside his chest and brain, doesn't he? Good thing, methinks. Might want to make that a more permanent option.

Oh, that's just bullshit. It's not even phasing, much less vaporous.

You know it, pointy-ears. I'm going to enjoy seeing your immortal ass get kicked repeatedly.

So, they die upon exploding. Just hope you can keep tossing steel plates at them, then.

Crap, you pulled too much aggro. Dammit, OL!

'So well'? Just a matter of time, pinky.

At least Swirly-cheeks has been shut up (Thank you, Canis!) And now we get to see some accelerated thinking.

Bubble-shield from hell, baby. Now that is how you tank an army of glob-goblins...

Oof. Yay for Lantern adaptability. That's one hell of a mess.

Ah, good, he's intact. Mostly, I assume.

He'd probably take one look, shrug dismissively and order them squashed like the bugs they are. Sheeda are petty, sadistic and small-minded, at their core. I doubt He would find anything noteworthy about them.

Eh, worst case, the named nobility would escape somehow and turn up on Earth, because Fifth World. At extreme worst, you get Final Crisis.

And splitting the party further. Goddammit, OL...

And the chase continues. Let's hope there's at least some way to extract the captives easily down there, or OL is facing one nasty Escort Mission to get them out. Assuming he can't Transition them out. Of course, who knows what's ahead...

 

Well that certainly sounds... interesting, got a link?

 

Lord Darkseid would likely find that a amusing diversion.

 

They don't really.

That was something invented by Zoat, in actuality the only one's with that sort of power are Darkseid and the like who have fragments of the Anti-Life/Life equation.

 

Even if they can't do much damage to them they can still hurt Apokalips a bit and be wiped out in the process.

So win win for the good guys.

Having difficulty with that using my phone, but the story is called 'The Gift of the One' by ganonso on SB.

I'll be back to using a computer tomorrow and I'll see about sending it to you, but be warned the story can be a bit poetic in its descriptions and it hasn't been updated for some time.

 

Thanks, and the poetic nature of it probably won't bother me, I have rather high tolerances for formatting after all my years of reading fanfics.

 

Melmoth is basically a discount version of Darkseid.

An evil ruler that does evil things for his own evil pleasure, so it makes sense that the Box would work for him.

Granted Melmoth may not want to use the AL Equation because he's a jovial guy and considers the Equation to be so.... ugh.... emo.

Seriously Darkseid is just a gigantic emo when you think about it.

I think the Sheeda had these giant green blob monsters working for them, so that could be the blobs we're seeing now.

In fairness to Paul's tactical decisions, they needed to save those people and see what Melmoth was doing, so they needed to get inside.

Sometimes some decisions will have a lot of faults no matter what.

Darkseid is himself petty and sadistic, though not that much small minded in his desire for suffering.

He emotionally abuses Kalibak and has billions of people tortured and wants to wipe out free will because his girlfriend died.

 

I have to ask at some point will Paul stop sand bagging during this little adventure and the follow up invasion?

 

He may still think that he can handle this without going full Host of the Ophidian, at least for now.

If the Harrowing is happening on Earth then he may change his mind.

 

No, it means 'in the direction of, trying to reach'.

Thank you, corrected.

 

..how does he have mageslayers... I thought those needed enchanting?

 

He keeps a supply of them.