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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Duke Long said:
He's apologising for that, and not, I don't know, asking Mister Miracle to boom tube him to Daxam? Without warning Oh El or presumably anyone else important, might I add? Superman really fucked up this time.
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He's apologising for doing something that he understands to be wrong (and hasn't internalized to be 'not his fault'), not for something that he considers to have been the 'right' decision based on the information he had at the time (wrong in hindsight, but he doesn't see it as being wrong to start with). OL's decision-making process is really alien to the rest of the League, so it's not surprising that they don't automatically assume that he made the right choices when someone accuses him of doing something wrong. Superman-16p probably still thinks Paul's handling of the situation with Nabu was very wrong, and that also colours his perceptions of Paul's decision-making.
 
Prince Charon said:
He's apologising for doing something that he understands to be wrong (and hasn't internalized to be 'not his fault'), not for something that he considers to have been the 'right' decision based on the information he had at the time (wrong in hindsight, but he doesn't see it as being wrong to start with). OL's decision-making process is really alien to the rest of the League, so it's not surprising that they don't automatically assume that he made the right choices when someone accuses him of doing something wrong. Superman-16p probably still thinks Paul's handling of the situation with Nabu was very wrong, and that also colours his perceptions of Paul's decision-making.
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That's why I can't wait to see Paul resolve the Rimbor situation for the League. Really force it down their throats that what they believe is right isn't always right and that sometimes they really can only pick the least bad option/pragmatic option at the time.
 
Ngamer11 said:
That's why I can't wait to see Paul resolve the Rimbor situation for the League. Really force it down their throats that what they believe is right isn't always right and that sometimes they really can only pick the least bad option/pragmatic option at the time.
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The problem is that if his solution is too far outside their worldview, they can avoid thinking about that by just being annoyed that he 'rushed things' and didn't let them come up with the 'right' solution.
 
Prince Charon said:
The problem is that if his solution is too far outside their worldview, they can avoid thinking about that by just being annoyed that he 'rushed things' and didn't let them come up with the 'right' solution.
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That might be a little hard to do as Mr. Zoat has Rimbor declaring the Justice League war mongers and indicated that the truth of them being under mind control when that happened is not going to help their case at all. Paul is going to have to save the day in a way they don't want and they can only shut up and accept it.
 
Ngamer11 said:
That might be a little hard to do as Mr. Zoat has Rimbor declaring the Justice League war mongers and indicated that the truth of them being under mind control when that happened is not going to help their case at all. Paul is going to have to save the day in a way they don't want and they can only shut up and accept it.
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I feel like we're talking past each other, but I'm too tired to be sure.
 
Mquz said:
A Red oni and a Blue oni with contrasting personalities is a Japanese trope, associated originally with Zenki and Goki, oni from Japanese folklore. There's a tv trope for it.
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Red\Blue dichotomy is a very common thing across many cultures, likely due to how the two colours are on the opposite ends of the perceivable spectrum and thus feel like opposites on a fundamental level.
 
CrazyNoVa said:
Are you setting up Clark to learn how to access his Electric Blue Superman powers? Because when I think of Superman and energy manipulation, that's the first thing that comes to mind.
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No.

Regarding Superman taking a trip to Daxam himself... The SI is not a member of the Justice League. Superman is effectively his superior. Him wanting to get an idea for himself what Daxam is like is completely reasonable, and the SI didn't know that the Eradicator Program was there. Is there something I'm missing?
 
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Mr Zoat said:
"Batman." Since Jade's exo-mantle includes scry wards and she hasn't taken off her helmet I'm not completely sure what her expression is, but I can guess. "You're going after Batman."

"Sort of."
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Didn't we establish that scry wards don't keep working indefinitely in low magic environments? It probably shouldn't be applying here.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Regarding Superman taking a trip to Daxam himself... The SI is not a member of the Justice League. Superman is effectively his superior. Him wanting to get an idea for himself what Daxam is like is completely reasonable, and the SI didn't know that the Eradicator Program was there. Is there something I'm missing?
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Given that the daxamites were known to be very culturally and specically xenophobic and could probably be guessed to have real-time interstellar communication (given that they did turn out to have it and I assume that was a known capability of that era of kryptonian technology), and he doesn't have any particular stealth capabilities, him visiting could have endangered the negotiations. The fact that seemingly nobody in the negotiating room knew he was visiting is a clear failure of communication. Unless the Green Lanterns knew and just didn't say anything?

There was also some risk to his own safety involved in the trip, even considering the fact that the specific thing which happened could not reasonably have been predicted. The fact that he seemingly went alone and possibly without informing many people was unnecessarily risky. I suppose if he had the ability to ring up Mister Miracle at any moment and ask for a boom tube home this isn't really much of a problem unless he gets instantly incapacitated (which he did, but that's just bad luck).
 
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Ngamer11 said:
That might be a little hard to do as Mr. Zoat has Rimbor declaring the Justice League war mongers and indicated that the truth of them being under mind control when that happened is not going to help their case at all. Paul is going to have to save the day in a way they don't want and they can only shut up and accept it.
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??? Did I somehow miss a lot of thread marks? Where did this come up? When did this happen?
 
CrazyNoVa said:
Are you setting up Clark to learn how to access his Electric Blue Superman powers? Because when I think of Superman and energy manipulation, that's the first thing that comes to mind.
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I think he's setting up Clark to learn Christopher Kent of Earth-16's powers. Raised in a Buddhist monastery and has several powers that normal Supermen didn't, including the abilities to manipulate external energy(like heat vision), absorb and "metabolize" other types of radiation for power(which we saw Superman do here) and even increase his own size.
 
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