With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Chaoswind · 2026-02-16T03:13:12+0000

Vaermina said:
He thought he was fine.

But like Evil Paul what he thinks and what reality actually is are often two very different things.

The ironic thing is that he is behaving worse after the demon got killed.

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For example.

Didn't care about the people that were turned into youma and killed them for being in his way, no attempt to reduce his lethality was taken.

When he witnesses a murder between celestial guardians, he just shrugs steals the power source/soul of a victim and gives it to the local Paul, without any consideration or even informing the Paul about it.

Vaermina · 2026-02-16T03:37:44+0000

Chaoswind said:
The ironic thing is that he is behaving worse after the demon got killed.

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For example.

Didn't care about the people that were turned into youma and killed them for being in his way, no attempt to reduce his lethality was taken.

When he witnesses a murder between celestial guardians, he just shrugs steals the power source/soul of a victim and gives it to the local Paul, without any consideration or even informing the Paul about it.

Eh, I'd say Orange Lantern hasn't really cared about the collateral damage of his actions for long while.

He only really pretends to be because the various groups he's allied with on Earth 16 get annoyed with innocent death.

Frozen20XX · 2026-02-16T05:58:22+0000

Vaermina said:
Given he just had Sailor Venus prove that having a demon in his ring is corrupting do you really think he'll be dumb enough to do that again?

The Praexis Demons, Hellwraith, and Satanus were assimilated with no real issue nor did he have any reservations about doing so.

To my knowledge, the Mammite Demon wasn't even in Paragon's ring, it was in his soul directly as a side-effect of when he got infused with hell magic and had to get shot by Jade with the Ace of Winchesters. That's a bit different than turning a demon into a construct lantern and keeping it in his ring.

RoninSword said:
Paul used the Sword of the Fallen on all of them (except Satanus who is now human) because it was proven that someone who was sufficiently skilled with demon and hell magic could still do stuff to them, even as constructs.

The hellwraith was killed by Demon Nabu and OL had no issue keeping it. If anything, having the Demon Nabu might make him more open to assimilating them since he views him as an easy way to deal with corrupt construct lanterns. And Renegade was able to deal with his construct lantern Nabu by ordering him to be subservient to whoever wore him and to let the remove him at their leisure.

Mr Zoat said:
"I did. Then I got into a fight with Agony and he shredded them. Permanently, as far as I can tell. Just got the one left now, and I don't really… Like… Bringing it out."
"Can you control it?"
"Yes. In fact, I think I can control it better than I thought I could."
"Then by all means."
I hold out my left hand. "Hellwraith."
The.. thing drizzles out of my left ring. "Yes, Master?"
And I look… Huh. It's… Behaving like a creepy demon monster because I want it to. My own assumption that it would behave in that way combined with my desire not to alter my Construct Lanterns' natural behaviour… Not that they have natural behaviour… And that's the only reason. Huh. At least that means that I don't have to worry about it actually possessing someone when I don't want it to.

Mr Zoat said:
I hold up my left hand. "No, no, he has a point. That sort of thing can have mystical significance." I take the helm in both hands again and hold it up level with my eyes. "Lantern Nabu. Direct command. You will be obedient and subservient to Giovanni Zatara in all matters. Confirm command."
"i CoNfIrM."
The voice is strained, distorted, but it's unquestionably him. "Glad to hear it." Turning, I use my right hand to toss the helm to Zatara. He catches it, still looking more than a little stunned at the turn of events. "You'll make a better Fate than he ever did."
"I'm… I'm in control. I can feel his power, his knowledge. They are mine now!"

Mr Zoat said:
I roll my eyes. As if that matters anymore. "Lantern Nabu, you are hereby instructed to permit Giovanni Zatara to remove you at his leisure. Confirm command."
"cOnFiRmEd."
Mister Zatara tilts his head to the side for a moment, then reaches up and lifts the Helmet from his head. He holds it out to look it in the eyepieces. "What.. exactly.. did you do to Nabu?"
I shrug. "I can't honestly claim to understand the process exactly. It appears that I can use the orange light to.. well, replace any living thing, convert all of its energy and matter into an enduring construct. Nabu's personality and memories remain unaltered, it's simply that rather than you being subservient to him, he's subservient to me."

So without outside influence, like how the Praexis got corrupted by eating portals to hell, I don't think turning the Doom demons into construct lanterns should be an issue.. or at least, not one that OL would immediately consider.

Zig · 2026-02-16T06:19:32+0000

Frozen20XX said:
The Praexis Demons, Hellwraith, and Satanus were assimilated with no real issue nor did he have any reservations about doing so.

To my knowledge, the Mammite Demon wasn't even in Paragon's ring, it was in his soul directly as a side-effect of when he got infused with hell magic and had to get shot by Jade with the Ace of Winchesters. That's a bit different than turning a demon into a construct lantern and keeping it in his ring.

The hellwraith was killed by Demon Nabu and OL had no issue keeping it. If anything, having the Demon Nabu might make him more open to assimilating them since he views him as an easy way to deal with corrupt construct lanterns. And Renegade was able to deal with his construct lantern Nabu by ordering him to be subservient to whoever wore him and to let the remove him at their leisure.

So without outside influence, like how the Praexis got corrupted by eating portals to hell, I don't think turning the Doom demons into construct lanterns should be an issue.. or at least, not one that OL would immediately consider.

There was an issue with the praxis demons. but I think it was specific to them because they were eating things, converting them to orange light, and that was giving them the energy t multiply without his input, and they still had a link to hell, so with them multiplying it could cause the orange light to "take over" hell of vice versa. I don't believe any non self replicating demon is gonna cause an issue

Mr Zoat · 2026-02-16T06:22:08+0000

20th August 2013
10:01 GMT -7

"Mother Box-."

Actually…

"Ping?"

"Persuader, why don't you make a portal for us?"

I can't see her face with that mask on, but I do see her shrug her shoulders. "Because I've got no idea where we're going."

"Do you need to know that? You didn't know what the layout of Challenger Mountain was before you opened a portal to here."

Her shoulders relax as she takes a moment to stare at the blade of the atomic axe. I considered using New God technology to augment it, but I decided against it on the grounds that I've got no idea at all how the blasted thing works and I don't want it to stop working.

"Controller Hinon, right?"

I nod. "Hinon Hee Hanannan."

She raises the axe into a high guard. "Try saying that three times fast."

"Hinonheehanannanhinonheehanannanhinonheehanannanhingonheeharannan-." She stares at me as Iname giggles. I shrug. "I managed three."

Iname stops giggling, looking slightly concerned. "Master, what do we do if the Lady Controller is doing something-"

Persuader swings her axe, slicing through reality and eliminating the space between us and our target.

"- private?"

"Brace for the end-"

Controller Hinon looks up at me through the jagged tear in reality.

"-times. Controller Hinon! Good morning."

She gives me a low wattage glare, then closes her eyes, shakes her head, and drifts slightly to the side so that we can enter…

I look around at the blank walls, utilitarian furniture and the strange machines-.

"Hinon, is this actually where you live?"

"Yes. I don't normally receive guests here, but for you I suppose that I'm obliged to make an exception."

Persuader follows me through, checks for concealed attackers, then for exit points, then puts her back against a solid-looking wall and waits for fighting. Ah, a real knock out the old block.

Iname-. Is already inside, looking around. "It is a very nice home that you have. Very minimalistic."

"It's just because I can't be bothered to decorate."

"I could decorate for you!" Iname smiles. "What colours do you like?"

Hinon sighs, quietly. Then she looks over to Persuader. "Are you going to leave that open?"

Persuader shrugs. Not The Boss Of Me

"Well." Hinon points to the rift with her right hand, and-.

Owowow.

Closes it, causing all three of us New Gods in the room to wince as something very wrong happens to… Something. I cover my reaction best, just tensing up a little. Iname ducks like she just heard the first rumblings of an earthquake and Persuader… She's acting like she's dizzy, staggering a few steps back and forth before she deliberately slams the back of her helmet against the wall to try and clear her head.

"Alright." I make a point of loosening up as the rift snaps shut. "Point made. Be polite to the elderly millennial."

"Especially when you break into her home." Judging us appropriately cowed, she floats over to a… Work surface of some sort. "I have several options for you."

The three of us cluster around, though I sit down because the display is clearly intended to be at a convenient height for maltusians.

"The first is a planet provisionally named Cargg." She brings up an image of a star system… With three suns? "Presently uninhabited. Weakly magical."

Iname peers at it. "Lady Controller, where is the planet?"

The image zooms in…

I frown. "What's it's orbit like?"

"It barely has one. It effectively rests in a LaGrange point while the suns orbit around each other."

"That… Can't be stable."

She rolls her eyes at me. "And yet it is. Cargg has almost constant daylight, though it's far enough away from the stars that the surface temperature is merely 'hot' rather than 'scorching'. If you can't see a star then it's probably raining on you."

I nod. "No seasons, either. Neighbours?"

"No one who wants it. None of them are aggressively expansionist and there are other systems around for them to settle."

"Other planets in the system?"

"Small desolate rocks. They could be mined, but they're all too hot, too small, or have exactly the sort of orbital paths a planet trying to include all three suns sounds like it would have."

"Plants? Animals?"

"Nothing readily domesticable. Quite a few things feed on light or electromagnetic radiation."

That sounds like a killer. "Electromagnetic radiation?"

"Elevated, but you could cope."

I shrug. "We could just build everything underground. This sounds not so much like it's a good option as one which technically meets my requirements." Hm. "Where did the magic come from? Did you drop off you-know-what here?"

"No. We once tried building a superstructure around the three suns."

"Oh? Is any of it still there?"

"No, it was fully demolished."

"Why?"

"The Guardians involved found that Oa made a better centre of operations. Since the superstructure wasn't needed, and we don't continue with pointless projects, the decision was made to scrap it. There are probably one or two odd trace elements in the stars, but that's all that's left."

"This… Sounds like something we can put on the long list." The very long list. "Anything else?"

"Yes." Cargg vanishes, and is replaced by a significantly more normal-looking system. "The Krilt system. Moderate magic presence, no easily inhabitable worlds, but there are a number of planetoids which could easily be adapted to your use."

I sigh. "What's wrong with it?"

"There used to be another planet here. It vanished, and we're not sure where it went."

"You don't know where a planet went?"

"We don't watch everything all the time. Sometimes planets vanish."

"Was it inhabited?"

"Yes-."

"Pass. Next."

CrazyNoVa · 2026-02-16T06:24:44+0000

Zig said:
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FUCKING GENIUS.

Mr Zoat · 2026-02-16T06:32:22+0000

Zig said:
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Unless you live in Britain. Thanks, Kier.

Chaoswind said:
So it's that an error that you plan to fix or one that you will roll with?

I'll just roll with it.

john doe 777 · 2026-02-16T06:51:11+0000

Yeah maybe stay away from those two solar systems. Either seem like horror movie planets

BR549 · 2026-02-16T06:53:53+0000

Mr Zoat said:
"There used to be another planet here. It vanished, and we're not sure where it went."

"You don't know where a planet went?"

"We don't watch everything all the time. Sometimes planets vanish."

"Hmmm. Lost a planet, Controller Hanannan has. How embarassing."

Zig · 2026-02-16T06:56:23+0000

Mr Zoat said:
Unless you live in Britain. Thanks, Kier.

I'll just roll with it.

How about this one?

Wondering if he's gonna recognize the planets, and if he's gonna care of he does... Didn't the LOSH already appear? and does the hypertime thing the SI did affect the Renegade verse? So like, if he does mess up those planets, the LOSH should still exist right?

GigaVanguard · 2026-02-16T07:06:09+0000

Zig said:
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Absolutely brilliant.

Chojin Patriarch · 2026-02-16T07:13:53+0000

Mr Zoat said:
20th August 2013
10:01 GMT -7

"Mother Box-."

Actually…

"Ping?"

"Oh? You think she can do a better job of it? Let's see her try." I suppose he'd like to get his staff to push their limits, and there's nothing like carving a negative-space wedgie across the galaxy with a wave of an axe for that.

"Persuader, why don't you make a portal for us?"

I can't see her face with that mask on, but I do see her shrug her shoulders. "Because I've got no idea where we're going."

At this point, she might be strong enough that that doesn't matter. Give her a target, and she can find it.

"Do you need to know that? You didn't know what the layout of Challenger Mountain was before you opened a portal to here."

Her shoulders relax as she takes a moment to stare at the blade of the atomic axe. I considered using New God technology to augment it, but I decided against it on the grounds that I've got no idea at all how the blasted thing works and I don't want it to stop working.

Perhaps she's been reluctant to test herself that way for fear of something going wrong, just like the Renegade's reluctance to modify her axe.

"Controller Hinon, right?"

I nod. "Hinon Hee Hanannan."

Maltusian full names always sound kind of funny when you say them out loud.

She raises the axe into a high guard. "Try saying that three times fast."

"Hinonheehanannanhinonheehanannanhinonheehanannanhingonheeharannan-." She stares at me as Iname giggles. I shrug. "I managed three."

True. The fourth one tripped you up good. Still, 'dad'ing it up like that does ease the tension of the moment.

Iname stops giggling, looking slightly concerned. "Master, what do we do it the Lady Controller is doing something-"

Persuader swings her axe, slicing through reality and eliminating the space between us and our target.

IF it's science, she'll probably be annoyed for you contaminating the experiment...

"- private?"

"Brace for the end-"

...I can't picture her doing anything 'private' like 'this and that'.

Controller Hinon looks up at me through the jagged tear in reality.

"-times. Controller Hinon! Good morning."

Well, this isn't going to lower her opinion of your intelligence any. Won't raise it, either, though.

She gives me a low wattage glare, then closes her eyes, shakes her head, and drifts slightly to the side so that we can enter…

I look around at the blank walls, utilitarian furniture and the strange machines-.

I doubt it's pure kirbytech, that's more New Genesis' thing. But it's probably the sort of background you'd see in, say, Reed Richards' lab.

"Hinon, is this actually wear you live?"

"Yes. I don't normally receive guests here, but for you I suppose that I'm obliged to make an exception."

And it's probably not like she bothers to make appointments with people.

Persuader follows me through, checks for concealed attackers, then for exit points, then puts her back against a solid-looking wall and waits for fighting. Ah, a real knock out the old block.

Iname-. Is already inside, looking around. "It is a very nice home that you have. Very minimalistic."

The two extremes of propriety, I suppose. Misa at least has Japanese etiquette on her side.

"It's just because I can't be bothered to decorate."

"I could decorate for you!" Iname smiles. "What colours do you like?"

As long as she doesn't lean in on the 'gothic lolita' aesthetic.

Hinon sighs, quietly. Then she looks over to Persuader. "Are you going to leave that open?"

Persuader shrugs. Not The Boss Of Me

Now, now, let's not antagonise the granny with godlike powers. By comparison, you're a wimpy little toddler.

"Well." Hinon points to the rift with her right hand, and-.

Owowow.

Showing off for the kiddies to remind them who's the big dog in the room, of course.

Closes it, causing all three of us New Gods in the room to wince as something very wrong happens to… Something. I cover my reaction best, just tensing up a little. Iname ducks like she just heard the first rumblings of an earthquake and Persuader… She's acting like she's dizzy, staggering a few steps back and forth before she deliberately slams the back of her helmet against the wall to try and clear her head.

Presumably she's the most affected because she made the problem in the first place and was the most closely tied to it.

"Alright." I make a point of loosening up as the rift snaps shut. "Point made. Be polite to the elderly millennial."

"Especially when you break into her home." Judging us appropriately cowed, she floats over to a… Work surface of some sort. "I have several options for you."

'Millennial' takes on a wholly different meaning when used in this context. Sadly, English doesn't really have any good adjectives for time past that that wouldn't be insulting.

The three of us cluster around, though I sit down because the display is clearly intended to be at a convenient height for maltusians.

"The first is a planet provisionally named Cargg." She brings up an image of a star systems… With three suns? "Presently uninhabited. Weakly magical."

There's a name from the DC planetary catalogue. It'll one day be the homeworld of Triplicate Girl of the legion of Superheroes...

Iname peers at it. "Lady Controller, where is the planet?"

The image zooms in…

I frown. "What's it's orbit like?"

It's either making a big wobbly loop around the centre point of the three star's shared gravity well, or kind of suspended in the middle. I don't know the actual specifics of such a position, but in the DC universe, anything goes.

"It barely has one. It effectively rests in a LaGrange point while the suns orbit around each other."

"That… Can't be stable."

I shudder to imagine the gravitational tidal forces at play on it...

She rolls her eyes at me. "And yet it is. Cargg has almost constant daylight, though it's far enough away from the stars that the surface temperature is merely 'hot' rather than 'scorching'. If you can't see a star then it's probably raining on you."

I nod. "No seasons, either. Neighbours?"

I get the feeling that would be kind of rough for human circadian rhythms.

"No one who wants it. None of them are aggressively expansionist and there are other systems around for them to settle."

"Other planets in the system?"

Ah, too much trouble to step in and claim it, and no special qualities that make it worth claiming.

"Small desolate rocks. They could be mined, but they're all too hot, too small, or have exactly the sort of orbital paths a planet trying to include all three suns sounds like it would have."

"Plants? Animals?"

Orbital paths akin to flies buzzing about an interestingly smelly lump, perhaps. wild, staccato shifts in direction and no doubt a hassle to navigate safely.

"Nothing readily domesticable. Quite a few things feed on light or electromagnetic radiation."

That sounds like a killer. "Electromagnetic radiation?"

So laser weapons would be far less effective than desirable. And probably heavily armoured with energy-resistant hides.

"Elevated, but you could cope."

I shrug. "We could just build everything underground. This sounds not so much like it's a good option as one which technically meets my requirements." Hm. "Where did the magic come from? Did you drop off you-know-what here?"

Heh. Hinon certainly expects him to be talking about the Starheart, doesn't she?

"No. We once tried building a superstructure around the three suns."

"Oh? Is any of it still there?"

'Superstructure' doesn't really describe the immensity of something that big. Even 'megastructure' falls a little flat.

"No, it was fully demolished."

"Why?"

Because why bother leaving it there? Setting it up to withstand the tidal forces would be a waste of time if they're not going to use it.

"The Guardians involved found that Oa made a better centre of operations. Since the superstructure wasn't needed, and we don't continue with pointless projects, the decision was made to scrap it. There are probably one or two odd trace elements in the stars, but that's all that's left."

Being a nominal 'centre of the universe', not that that's accurate in this reality.

"This… Sounds like something we can put on the long list." The very long list. "Anything else?"

"Yes." Cargg vanishes, and is replaced by a significantly more normal-looking system. "The Krilt system. Moderate magic presence, no easily inhabitable worlds, but there are a number of planetoids which could easily be adapted to your use."

Hmm... No sign of anything on the wiki by that name. Let's see what's so special about it?

I sigh. "What's wrong with it?"

"There used to be another planet here. It vanished, and we're not sure where it went."

...Okay, that would be a little concerning. Especially for any native population.

"You don't know where a planet went?"

"We don't watch everything all the time. Sometimes planets vanish."

And none of you got curious as to why? The joy of living so long that you technically have seen everything.

"Was it inhabited?"

"Yes-."

"Pass. Next."

I suppose there's no point showing concern about it if it's been gone for so long. The inhabitants would have adapted to whatever new circumstances they ended up in.

That's two very odd bits of cosmic alignments that are more likely to occur in comic books universes. I find myself wondering if the missing planet was anything like Bgztl, birthplace of Phantom Girl of the Legion. Just a planet that somehow got folded into a space-time wedgie, theorised to be something like the Phantom Zone. Just not located in the same place as Earth...

Duke Long · 2026-02-16T09:58:08+0000

Mr Zoat said:
Iname stops giggling, looking slightly concerned. "Master, what do we do it the Lady Controller is doing something-"

'if'

Mr Zoat said:
"Hinon, is this actually wear you live?"

'where', unless this building technomagically folds down into a clothing item or somesuch.

Mr Zoat said:
Persuader follows me through, checks for concealed attackers, then for exit points, then puts her back against a solid-looking wall and waits for fighting. Ah, a real knock out the old block.

Took me a moment to realise this wasn't a mistake, haha.

Mr Zoat said:
"The first is a planet provisionally named Cargg." She brings up an image of a star systems… With three suns? "Presently uninhabited. Weakly magical."

'system'? Or is he momentarily confused by its trinary nature?

Interesting that its orbit seemingly changes between now and then. Or did you just think it being in a weird LaGrange point would be cooler? If so, I agree.

Mr Zoat said:
"The Guardians involved found that Oa made a better centre of operations. Since the superstructure wasn't needed, and we don't continue with pointless projects, the decision was made to scrap it. There are probably one or two odd trace elements in the stars, but that's all that's left."

Interesting that this caused Cargg to be magical. I wonder what the megastructure was for? Such a vast structure would probably serve some purpose beyond aesthetics, though it would certainly be an intimidating display of their power. It couldn't be merely space because they seem to get by fine on Oa, which is a fraction of the size.

Mr Zoat said:
"Yes." Cargg vanishes, and is replaced by a significantly more normal-looking system. "The Krilt system. Moderate magic presence, no easily inhabitable worlds, but there are a number of planetoids which could easily be adapted to your use."

The wording of 'magic presence' is strange, I think magic tends to be attached to planets while this seems to suggest otherwise. Is it that several planetoids are magical, similar to how in Sol both Earth and Mars are? Or is it possible to freely use magic in open space?

Mr Zoat · 2026-02-16T10:09:34+0000

Zig said:
How about this one?

Thank you, I hate it.

Duke Long said:
'if'
'where', unless this building technomagically folds down into a clothing item or somesuch.
'system'?

Thank you, corrected.

Interesting that its orbit seemingly changes between now and then. Or did you just think it being in a weird LaGrange point would be cooler?

Basically, yes. How does the canon version handle it?

The wording of 'magic presence' is strange, I think magic tends to be attached to planets while this seems to suggest otherwise. Is it that several planetoids are magical, similar to how in Sol both Earth and Mars are? Or is it possible to freely use magic in open space?

I mean, it's possible, but making the connection to the Dream without a thaumosphere is pretty hard, and then you've got to mess things around manually rather than using established systems.

Duke Long · 2026-02-16T10:23:28+0000

Mr Zoat said:
Basically, yes. How does the canon version handle it?

Oh, I haven't a clue. I'm just referring to how the wiki you linked says, 'It has a complicated orbit around three suns.'

Mr Zoat said:
I mean, it's possible, but making the connection to the Dream without a thaumosphere is pretty hard, and then you've got to mess things around manually rather than using established systems.

Ah, okay, so it's just some magic planetoids. Actually, does the place where the vanished planet used to be still have a thaumosphere? I'd guess not?

Mr Zoat · 2026-02-16T10:39:46+0000

Duke Long said:
Oh, I haven't a clue. I'm just referring to how the wiki you linked says, 'It has a complicated orbit around three suns.'

Well, from the perspective of any of the suns, it does.

Ah, okay, so it's just some magic planetoids. Actually, does the place where the vanished planet used to be still have a thaumosphere? I'd guess not?

Yes. Just a very... Small one.

Steelplaza · 2026-02-16T13:15:01+0000

To be fair, it's the demand for a magical presence that makes this difficult. If it weren't for that, the Controllers could build a planet to specification. (Though finding one to specification would be less work.)

But you want a place that's both magical and uninhabited? That's more difficult.

...maybe Grayven is going about this backwards. Would it be possible to take a planet and work out a way to make it magical, if only slowly and over time? It's a colony, so it could grow as the population does. You'd have to either connect it to the Dream, or maybe find a way to connect it to the Source?

Mr Zoat · 2026-02-16T13:37:14+0000

Steelplaza said:
...maybe Grayven is going about this backwards. Would it be possible to take a planet and work out a way to make it magical, if only slowly and over time? It's a colony, so it could grow as the population does. You'd have to either connect it to the Dream, or maybe find a way to connect it to the Source?

Certainly, but they want something that they can use now.

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