With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Darko · 2026-09-23T18:26:12+0100

Vaermina said:
No, I mean in story... Lyta picked up the souls when she mind dove him, just like the Vorlon did.

Neither of those sensed a Shadow servant in him, so whatever marker the Drakh used to have is most likely gone.

Vaermina said:
Then you shouldn't have any trouble providing that evidence that Zoat rings can hack into the hostile computer networks of species roughly comparable to the Minbari

Well there were many times that Paul hacked advanced computer systems, to the point that magic was needed to counteract him.

Other countermeasures used by alien species worked because those races have had experience with power rings due to the Green Lanterns, so they would have eventually been able to figure out a way to counteract them.

Oh, and since you forgot, the Mammon version was able to basically copy Nox tech.

The Nox are more advanced than the Minbari.

Vaermina said:
Or providing evidence of him creating fake data crystals that can fool a civilization of the Minbari's general technological level

I was thinking more like having the soul write something on paper and then he'd age the paper.

Which is something that he can do.

Jankl · 2026-09-23T18:54:06+0100

Darko said:
Oh, and since you forgot, the Mammon version was able to basically copy Nox tech.

Yeah power ring technology is absolutely ridiculous. I don't know how accurate the Babylon 5 wiki is but it doesn't seem like their technology should be advanced enough to stop a power ring. https://babylon5.fandom.com/wiki/Minbari_Federation

Vaermina · 2026-09-23T20:40:58+0100

Darko said:
Neither of those sensed a Shadow servant in him, so whatever marker the Drakh used to have is most likely gone.

Lyta is only a P5 and wouldn't know what she was sensing, and he ran away from the Vorlon before it could get anywhere.

Darko said:
Well there were many times that Paul hacked advanced computer systems, to the point that magic was needed to counteract him.

Other countermeasures used by alien species worked because those races have had experience with power rings due to the Green Lanterns, so they would have eventually been able to figure out a way to counteract them.

Oh, and since you forgot, the Mammon version was able to basically copy Nox tech.

The Nox are more advanced than the Minbari.

The only technology the Nox are shown to possess is anti-gravity technology and an FTL communications system, neither of which are more advanced then what the Minbari use.

Everything else they do is psychic powers.

So for a third time I'll ask you, provide evidence of a Zoat Power Ring being used to successful hack a hostile computer network of a race technologically comparable to the Minbari.

Darko said:
I was thinking more like having the soul write something on paper and then he'd age the paper.

Which is something that he can do.

And you have evidence that the Minbari, a species that has been space faring for thousands of years, regularly use paper?

Darko · 2026-09-23T21:14:37+0100

Vaermina said:
The only technology the Nox are shown to possess is anti-gravity technology and an FTL communications system, neither of which are more advanced then what the Minbari use.

Everything else they do is psychic powers

Yeah, sure.

A race that was once a peer to the Alterans and Asgard would not have advanced tech.

Any other brilliant statements?

Vaermina said:
So for a third time I'll ask you, provide evidence of a Zoat Power Ring being used to successful hack a hostile computer network of a race technologically comparable to the Minbari

Renegade basically broke into the Fortress of Solitude in order to learn how to fix Match and alter Kon to become fully Kryptonian, and in order to do that he basically downloaded all the info the place had.

Though the Kryptonians aren't really comfortable to the Minbari. The Kryptonians are most likely more advanced.

Vaermina said:
And you have evidence that the Minbari, a species that has been space faring for thousands of years, regularly use paper

What does their age have to do with that?

Seriously, we've had computer tech for decades, but we still use paper.

The Minbari may have had advanced tech for a millennium, but they are extremely committed to their traditions and customs, so them using paper or written documents instead of totally using computers isn't exactly farfetched.

They also wouldn't be the first race that's still using archaic methods despite having advanced tech.

According to the RPG books you like to quote as if they're canon, the Narn consider it heresy to create digital copies of their holy books.

The Narn have had access to advanced tech for a century, and even if the Centauri kept some of that from them, the Narn have still had decades of freedom to switch to digital, but they haven't.

BR549 · 2026-09-23T21:45:11+0100

Jankl said:
Yeah power ring technology is absolutely ridiculous. I don't know how accurate the Babylon 5 wiki is but it doesn't seem like their technology should be advanced enough to stop a power ring.

All the Younger Races' computer systems will roll over and wave their legs in the air like an upended cockroach for a power ring intrusion.
The Vorlons might be able to stop it.
The Shadows probably would, but it depends*.
The Walkers etc. would just go "Zog No" and give an ethereially electronic raspberry.

* ...it depends on how much they use wetware for things other than running the battlecrabs.
Which...opens up a genuinely terrifying future possibility.

And that is the possibility of assimilating a Battlecrab.

Ardy · 2026-09-23T23:15:02+0100

You know what, I'm not dropping this.

I'm still REALLY miffed Santa Claus wasn't a part of defeating the anti-life. It could even make the SI really concerned that a man breaks into his super-fortress, or even Maltus for Effigy, to deliver his gifts year after year.

Vaermina · 2026-09-24T04:14:43+0100

Darko said:
Yeah, sure.

A race that was once a peer to the Alterans and Asgard would not have advanced tech.

Any other brilliant statements?

The Nox were never described as a "peer" to the Alterans in the show.

Neither were the Asgard by the way.

Darko said:
Renegade basically broke into the Fortress of Solitude in order to learn how to fix Match and alter Kon to become fully Kryptonian, and in order to do that he basically downloaded all the info the place had.

Though the Kryptonians aren't really comfortable to the Minbari. The Kryptonians are most likely more advanced.

Zoat massively nerfed Kryptonian tech on Earth 14, and as far as we know the Fortress of Solitude had no digital security.

Darko said:
What does their age have to do with that?

Seriously, we've had computer tech for decades, but we still use paper.

The Minbari may have had advanced tech for a millennium, but they are extremely committed to their traditions and customs, so them using paper or written documents instead of totally using computers isn't exactly farfetched.

They also wouldn't be the first race that's still using archaic methods despite having advanced tech.

According to the RPG books you like to quote as if they're canon, the Narn consider it heresy to create digital copies of their holy books.

The Narn have had access to advanced tech for a century, and even if the Centauri kept some of that from them, the Narn have still had decades of freedom to switch to digital, but they haven't.

The RPG books are canon, however Zoat has stated he's only using the shows.

And the Narn aren't the Minbari, they were literally an agrarian society before the Centauri found them 150 years ago.

This whole conversation is especially funny however, because JMS was such a perfectionist about the little details that he made sure the Minbari didn't use paper. The few times we actually see them passing around physical messages and the like amongst themselves, they're shown to be using some type crystaline fabric scrolls.

Darko · 2026-09-24T04:27:24+0100

Vaermina said:
The Nox were never described as a "peer" to the Alterans in the show.

Neither were the Asgard by the way.

The fact that they were allies in the first place is kinda a massive hint that even if they weren't equals in the tech department, they were still extremely advanced.

Vaermina said:
Zoat massively nerfed Kryptonian tech on Earth 14, and as far as we know the Fortress of Solitude had no digital security.

It's still incredibly advanced and better than Minbari tech.

Vaermina said:
And the Narn aren't the Minbari, they were literally an agrarian society before the Centauri found them 150 years ago

Yeah, and they've still had the ability to go fully digital, but decided not to.

Vaermina said:
This whole conversation is especially funny however, because JMS was such a perfectionist about the little details that he made sure the Minbari didn't use paper. The few times we actually see them passing around physical messages and the like amongst themselves, they're shown to be using some type crystaline fabric scrolls

And did they use such a thing during the architects time?

And if they did, what's to stop Matthew from just making something like that, given the fact that we've seen power rings be able to make things that range from fully organic bodies for intelligent beings, to anti-matter?

Mr Zoat · 2026-09-24T06:12:08+0100

4th April 2258
10:09 Station Time
Michael Garibaldi

Hm.

Okay, so it's definitely him-.

My office door opens, and my head jerks around-.

Jeff walks in. "Michael, you wanted to see me?"

"Yeah." I press a couple of buttons and put the picture my guys took of 'Matthew Underwood' up on the monitor. "This is Matthew Underwood. Stopped an attack on a minbari poet yesterday by some nutjobs who think the War's still going on."

Jeff nods, and I press the button and move to the next image. "And this was taken just before Lyta Alexander left the station."

Matthew Underwood and Lyta Alexander eating lunch together at a restaurant.

"I see. You think he had something to do with her disappearance?"

Do I?

Apart from the fact that he clearly thought I wouldn't recognise a sonic stunner, not really. Too earnest. Way too earnest.

"He didn't give me that kind of vibe. Problem is, when I asked him about it, he said 'I guess I just like helping people'."

Jeff chuckles. "Not everyone's so jaded-."

I shake my head. "Nah, see, that's not it. You ever met anyone who's been sentenced to death of personality… After it's been done?"

Jeff looks more sombre as he shakes his head. "I can't say I have."

"I have. 'I just like helping people' is one of the phrases they get programmed with. Now, would a regular guy take on two armed guys for some woman he's never met?" I shrug. "Sure, maybe. But someone who's personality is completely based around helping other people? Yeah, they'll do it ten times out of ten."

Jeff nods. "How does that relate to Lyta's disappearance?"

I shake my head, tensing my jaw. "I don't know yet. Because if I'm right, then he either had it done before he met her, or afterwards. If it was before, then he wouldn't hurt her. Could be a witness, could be a coincidence. But if it was done between now and then…"

"Then he was a murderer who got caught, sentenced and mind-wiped, and the prosecutors might not have known that Lyta was missing."

I nod. "Yeah. Now, a telepath should have gone through his head to see if there were any other victims before they carried out the sentence, but from what I hear? They all hate doing it, so they mostly just confirm that the jury got the right verdict."

"Did you already send this picture to the investigators?"

I nod, taking a deep breath. "Yeah. And they both got on the shuttle that was taking her back to Earth… But here's where things get really weird."

"Okay?"

"He got on the shuttle. He didn't get off the shuttle, and neither did she. I checked all the station's exterior cameras in case someone pulled the same boarding pod trick as our changeling friend, nothing. Fine, not my problem. But then I looked at Matthew Underwood's background, and turns out? He doesn't have one."

Jeff raises his eyebrows. "Excuse me?"

"No birth records, no tax records, no school records, nothing. He's got medical records from a check-up he had in med-bay, and that's it. As far as any record I can find says, he just appeared out of nowhere a few days before she went missing."

Jeff frowns, and I'm glad this is bugging someone else now. "Any matches on his face, fingerprints or iris scan?"

"Nada."

"Do you think he's a spy?"

"If he hadn't walked in and requested citizenship, maybe. But one of our spies would have had all these records arranged for them in advance. And if he's not one of ours, then, who? Centauri? Nah, centauri spies are pros. They'd get records in the system first, too."

"Do people who've had their minds wiped get new records?"

"They're supposed to. But get this: when he got asked where he came from, he told the guy doing the interview that he woke up on an uninhabited planet with no idea how he got there."

And now Jeff looks like I feel. "So… You think someone wiped his mind and then pushed him out an airlock?"

I lean back in my chair, shrugging. "I don't know, Commander. This one's… Weird."

"Do you want my authorization to bring him in for questioning?"

"And ask him what?" I shake my head. "Whether he's telling the truth or not, he's just gunna give us the same story. No, what I'd like you to do is request that the Justice Department confirm whether they lost him or not. That needs to come from the commanding officer."

"Okay." He nods. "Anything else?"

"Well, if he is a spy, and he's one of ours, I need to stop investigating. Now, I can send a request to Earthforce Intelligence, but if you do it they might actually answer."

"Just say we may have found one of their agents and ask if they want us to back off?"

"Yeah. Because a disappearing telepath? No one's stupid enough to try kidnapping a telepath for ransom. She didn't have any enemies and there were no signs of violence. That doesn't say 'attack' to me. That says 'telepath underground' and 'she went voluntarily'."

Jeff thinks about that for a moment. "Lyta was a member of Psi Corps."

"Yeah, well, maybe she saw something she didn't like. She was going to Earth 'cause she got ordered to, right? Maybe it was something to do with that? Whatever else she saw while she was poking around Kosh's mind? I dunno. Guess I just wanted someone else to share my frustration."

Jeff nods, then thinks for a moment. "Is he still on the station?"

"Shipping out for Minbar tomorrow."

"What for?"

"Tourism. Ambassador Delenn signed off on his visa personally."

"Is he coming back?"

"Nothing's filed, but his lease on his quarters in Brown Sector is paid up for another eight months." Aaaah. "And that's the other thing. He owns his own ship."

"His own ship?"

"Yeah. Bought it off the narn government. Personal yacht. It's moored outside the station now. Which…" I shake my head. "I don't know what it means, because I can't think of a way for someone who's been through death of personality to make enough money to buy it the regular way, and I can't think of anything he could have done for Ambassador G'kar to get it as a reward."

"Okay. I'll get those information requests filed, and you can decide if you wanna investigate any further. And…" He nods to himself. "Let me know when he comes back. I think I should have a talk with him myself."

BR549 · 2026-09-24T06:35:32+0100

For those unfamiliar, 'Jeff' would be Commander Sinclair, B5's first commander.

And here we look into the devious mind of Mister Garibaldi...who has been trying to put two and two together, and not realising he only has two and one, is getting 'mauve'.

Mr Zoat said:
John chuckles. "Not everyone's so jaded-."

'Jeff'

And if he's not one of our, then, who?

'ours'

"Shipping out for minbar tomorrow."

'Minbar'

Guess I just wanted someone else to share my frustration."

Someone other than the Egyptian god of hanging over your bed, at least.

Chojin Patriarch · 2026-09-24T07:13:05+0100

Mr Zoat said:
4th April 2258
10:09 Station Time
Michael Garibaldi

Hm.

Okay, so it's definitely him-.

Ah, and the suspicions pile up towards 'Matthew Underwood'. Of course Garibaldi would be wary of such a simple-seeming incident. Now, what will he uncover when he digs deeper, I wonder...

My office door opens, and my head jerks around-.

Jeff walks in. "Michael, you wanted to see me?"

Reading the station commander in? Good plan, especially if they need station-wide observation.

"Yeah." I press a couple of buttons and put the picture my guys took of 'Michael Underwood' up on the monitor. "This is Michael Underwood. Stopped an attack on a minbari poet yesterday by some nutjobs who think the War's still going on."

Jeff nods, and I press the button and move to the next image. "And this was taken just before Lyta Alexandra left the station."

Oh, dear. Garibaldi's been connecting the dots, I see.

Michael Underwood and Lyta Alexandra eating lunch together at a restaurant.

"I see. You think he had something to do with her disappearance?"

Ah, they have no idea what happened to her, do they? Not like she left a goodbye e-mail.

Do I?

Apart from the fact that he clearly thought I wouldn't recognise a sonic stunner, not really. Too earnest. Way too earnest.

Ah, security cameras caught the 'fight', eh?

"He didn't give me that kind of vibe. Problem is, when I asked him about it, he said 'I guess I just like helping people'."

John chuckles. "Not everyone's so jaded-."

Altruism is suspicious, in this case.

I shake my head. "Nah, see, that's not it. You ever met anyone who's been sentenced to death of personality… After it's been done?"

Jeff looks more sombre as he shakes his head. "I can't say I have."

Ooof. That's an actual criminal sentence in this era?

"I have. 'I just like helping people' is one of the phrases they get programmed with. Now, would a regular guy take on two armed guys for some woman he's never met?" I shrug. "Sure, maybe. But someone who's personality is completely based around helping other people? Yeah, they'll do it ten times out of ten."

Oh, boy. Garibaldi has totally gotten his initial guess wrong and now all his subsequent data is faulty...

Jeff nods. "How does that relate to Lyta's disappearance?"

I shake my head, tensing my jaw. "I don't know yet. Because if I'm right, then he either had it done before he met her, or afterwards. If it was before, then he wouldn't hurt her. Could be a witness, could be a coincidence. But if it was done between now and then…"

Since it has been a year since she left.

"Then he was a murderer who got caught, sentenced and mind-wiped, and the prosecutors might not have known that Lyta was missing."

I nod. "Yeah. Now, a telepath should have gone through his head to see if there were any other victims before they carried out the sentence, but from what I hear? They all hate doing it, so they mostly just confirm that the jury got the right verdict."

Ah, the outlook of the cynical man. If you start from the worst possible point, anything after becomes an improvement.

"Did you already send this picture to the investigators?"

I nod, taking a deep breath. "Yeah. And they both got on the shuttle that was taking her back to Earth… But here's where things get really weird."

Heh. One of the great mysteries of the time, if it were more widely known. Kind of like D. B. Cooper.

"Okay?"

"He got on the shuttle. He didn't get off the shuttle, and neither did she. I checked all the station's exterior cameras in case someone pulled the same boarding pod trick as our changeling friend, nothing. Fine, not my problem. But then I looked at Matthew Underwood's background, and turns out? He doesn't have one."

And that is a giant red flag right there. Not for the reasons Garibaldi is assuming, but...

Jeff raises his eyebrows. "Excuse me?"

"No birth records, no tax records, no school records, nothing. He's got medical records from a check-up he had in med-bay, and that's it. As far as any record I can find says, he just appeared out of nowhere a few days before she went missing."

It'd be interesting if they looked at the medicals and saw oddities that 'modern' humans wouldn't have. And things missing that they should. Trace elements not seen for decades, common bio-mods not found...

Jeff frowns, and I'm glad this is bugging someone else now. "Any matches on his face, fingerprints or iris scan?"

"Nada."

In their experience, that just doesn't happen, ever.

"Do you think he's a spy?"

"If he hadn't walked in and requested citizenship, maybe. But one of our spies would have had all these records arranged for them in advance. And if he's not one of ours, then, who? Centauri? Nah, centauri spies are pros. They'd get records in the system first, too."

And most other races don't have the physiology to pass for human even with cosmetic surgery.

"Do people who've had their minds wiped get new records?"

"They're supposed to. But get this: when he got asked where he came from, he told the guy doing the interview that he woke up on an uninhabited planet with no idea how he got there."

To a suspicious guy like Garibaldi, that must be extra-concerning.

And now Jeff looks like I feel. "So… You think someone wiped his mind and then pushed him out an airlock?"

I lean back in my chair, shrugging. "I don't know, Commander. This one's… Weird."

Oh, they have no idea. I wonder if the Speaker would be willing to tell them the truth if pressed...

"Do you want my authorization to bring him in for questioning?"

"And ask him what?" I shake my head. "Whether he's telling the truth or not, he's just gunna give us the same story. No, what I'd like you to do is request that the Justice Department confirm whether they lost him or not. That needs to come from the commanding officer."

Of course, the fact they won't know what the B5 team is talking about will put a cat amongst the pigeons, not that they'll say that.

"Okay." He nods. "Anything else?"

"Well, if he is a spy, and he's one of ours, I need to stop investigating. Now, I can send a request to Earthforce Intelligence, but if you do it they might actually answer."

"Just say we may have found one of their agents and ask if they want us to back off?"

That would at least be reassuringly believable...

"Yeah. Because a disappearing telepath? No one's stupid enough to try kidnapping a telepath for ransom. She didn't have any enemies and there were no signs of violence. That doesn't say 'attack' to me. That says 'telepath underground' and 'she went voluntarily'."

Which means Psi Corps will be up in arms. And likely demanding 'Matthew Underwood' be brought in for questioning yesterday.

Jeff thinks about that for a moment. "Lyta was a member of Psi Corps."

"Yeah, well, maybe she saw something she didn't like. She was going to Earth 'cause she got ordered to, right? Maybe it was something to do with that? Whatever else she saw while she was poking around Kosh's mind? I dunno. Guess I just wanted someone else to share my frustration."

Ah, closer to the truth than they realise. Yet so far away without the right clues.

Jeff nods, then thinks for a moment. "Is he still on the station?"

"Shipping out for Minbar tomorrow."

Which is also probably ringing alarm bells for Garibaldi.

"What for?"

"Tourism. Ambassador Delenn signed off on his visa personally."

Big alarm bells.

"Is he coming back?"

"Nothing's filed, but his lease on his quarters in Brown Sector is paid up for another eight months." Aaaah. "And that's the other thing. He owns his own ship."

"His own ship?"

Man, they are so suspicious of him now.

"Yeah. Bought it off the narn government. Personal yacht. It's moored outside the station now. Which…" I shake my head. "I don't know what it means, because I can't think of a way for someone who's been through death of personality to make enough money to buy it the regular way, and I can't think of anything he could have done for Ambassador G'kar to get it as a reward."

But someone acting as a special agent for someone else... Yes, I can totally see the dots he's connecting.

"Okay. I'll get those information requests filed, and you can decide if you wanna investigate any further. And…" He nods to himself. "Let me know when he comes back. I think I should have a talk with him myself."

Oh, this will be a meeting for the ages.

Ah, the joy of seeing Garibaldi and Sinclair seeing a few of the pieces, but jamming them together into completely the wrong shape based on their own assumptions and prejudices. And touching base with Earth Government is going to get all kinds of attention onto 'Matthew Underwood', not all of it good.

BR549 · 2026-09-24T07:21:44+0100

Chojin Patriarch said:
Ooof. That's an actual criminal sentence in this era?

It is.

Psi Corps uses it for their own purposes, of course.

Ah, the outlook of the cynical man. If you start from the worst possible point, anything after becomes an improvement.

I'm sure Garibaldi would observe that he'd be less cynical if the universe didn't continually prove his cynicism right.

And touching base with Earth Government is going to get all kinds of attention onto 'Matthew Underwood', not all of it good.

And when (not if; the station staff is, unavoidedly, riddled with moles for EarthGov, Psi Corps, and various other factions legit and otherwise) the bit about his apparent snatching of Lyta gets out, Psi Corps will indeed very much want his head.
Which means Mr. Bester likely looking into things personally.

And since Alfred Bester was played by Walter Koenig, the local Paul's reaction to Evil Checkov the Psi Cop will be amusing.

BoML · 2026-09-24T07:57:06+0100

Mr Zoat said:
4th April 2258
10:09 Station Time
Michael Garibaldi

Ah, we get Michael's perspective. And it was well done, full marks.

There are some events that Babylon!Paul would be of immense help, though some of the stuff would be...ridiculously trivial to him. I am more curious about his opinions about the events and the consequences thereof, and others reaction to those opinions.

And it seems that his talk with Delenn went without a hitch, if she approved the visa...practically immediately.

Rebu · 2026-09-24T08:14:16+0100

Mr Zoat said:
John chuckles. "Not everyone's so jaded-."

His name i' Jeff

Vaermina · 2026-09-24T08:18:21+0100

Darko said:
The fact that they were allies in the first place is kinda a massive hint that even if they weren't equals in the tech department, they were still extremely advanced.

No, it means they were "mature" enough to be acceptable to Ancient standards.

Darko said:
It's still incredibly advanced and better than Minbari tech.

Feel free to name technology, that doesn't rely on differing laws of physics, that they had that was more advanced then the Minbari.

Darko said:
Yeah, and they've still had the ability to go fully digital, but decided not to.

They actually don't have that ability, Narn's technology is incredibly skewed because its all things they purchased or reverse engineered.

Darko said:
And did they use such a thing during the architects time?

And if they did, what's to stop Matthew from just making something like that, given the fact that we've seen power rings be able to make things that range from fully organic bodies for intelligent beings, to anti-matter?

The Architect has only been dead for 200 years...

The Minbari were fighting a space war, against the Shadows, a thousand years ago.

By the way, you have a much higher bar now given all the proof Matthew hasn't even done the minimum effort in covering his trail so far.

Mr Zoat said:
Apart from the fact that he clearly thought I wouldn't recognise a sonic stunner, not really. Too earnest. Way too earnest.

This is kind of hilarious, like, did he just think everyone was too stupid to figure out his story was bullshit?

Mr Zoat said:
"No birth records, no tax records, no school records, nothing. He's got medical records from a check-up he had in med-bay, and that's it. As far as any record I can find says, he just appeared out of nowhere a few days before she went missing."

That is an almost impressive lack of effort.

PeriodicPedant · 2026-09-24T08:19:18+0100

Pretty good going, Garibaldi.

Mr Zoat said:
Jeff walks in. "Michael, you wanted to see me?"

"Yeah." I press a couple of buttons and put the picture my guys took of 'Michael Underwood' up on the monitor. "This is Michael Underwood. Stopped an attack on a minbari poet yesterday by some nutjobs who think the War's still going on."

Jeff nods, and I press the button and move to the next image. "And this was taken just before Lyta Alexandra left the station."

Michael Underwood and Lyta Alexandra

First Michael is correct.
All the others should be 'Matthew'.
And: Lyta Alexander, unless I'm missing something.

Mr Zoat · 2026-09-24T08:24:21+0100

BR549 said:
'Jeff'
'ours'
'Minbar'

Thank you, corrected.

Someone other than the Egyptian god of hanging over your bed, at least.

Garibaldi never called him that.

PeriodicPedant said:
First Michael is correct.
All the others should be 'Matthew'.
And: Lyta Alexander, unless I'm missing something.

Thank you, corrected.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Ah, security cameras caught the 'fight', eh?

No, he just recognised it. Garibaldi is a Chief Warrant Officer. He's seen all kinds of weapon wounds.

BR549 · 2026-09-24T08:33:48+0100

Mr Zoat said:
Garibaldi never called him that.

But Zack did, and Zack is a cooler dude than Michael, so...

Darko · 2026-09-24T13:58:23+0100

Vaermina said:
No, it means they were "mature" enough to be acceptable to Ancient standards

You do realize that by those standards anyone they would consider to be mature would basically have to build cold fusion reactors as a high school science project.

Vaermina said:
Feel free to name technology, that doesn't rely on differing laws of physics, that they had that was more advanced then the Minbari

Hmm, everything.

Ohh, and before I forgot, power rings were also able to copy Cooperative tech, like Rocket's belt.

Vaermina said:
They actually don't have that ability, Narn's technology is incredibly skewed because its all things they purchased or reverse engineered

We've seen them use computers.

Once you're able to have and use those, digitizing things isn't some arcane rite.

Vaermina said:
The Architect has only been dead for 200 years...

The Minbari were fighting a space war, against the Shadows, a thousand years ago

And?

Did Minbari use crystal paper 200 years ago, or did they still use paper for some things?

And what would stop the architect from using it, even if others used a different method?

And why wouldn't Matthew be able to just fabricate the necessary materials.

Vaermina said:
By the way, you have a much higher bar now given all the proof Matthew hasn't even done the minimum effort in covering his trail so far

Vaermina said:
This is kind of hilarious, like, did he just think everyone was too stupid to figure out his story was bullshit?

Vaermina said:
That is an almost impressive lack of effort.

Why would he need a better cover story?

He doesn't really have anything to do with humanity, since there don't seem to be any human souls.

He doesn't really need a job, since with the ring he's basically self-sustaining.

He has a ship to live on, and it wouldn't be that difficult to imagine that some of the alien governments would let him live on their worlds.

Most people also don't, and can't, do background checks on anyone they think is suspicious, so he doesn't really have much to fear.

The ambassadors he spoke to may have the resources to check his background, but the fact that he doesn't have one isn't going to be surprising.

Thus is a guy that has a bunch of ghosts inside him and is helping them achieve peace. The fact that they can't find a birth certificate isn't going to be weirdest thing about him.

Mr Zoat · 2026-09-24T15:18:57+0100

Darko said:
Thus is a guy that has a bunch of ghosts inside him and is helping them achieve peace. The fact that they can't find a birth certificate isn't going to be weirdest thing about him.

They could find a birth certificate, but it would be for someone who died two hundred years ago as an old man.

Darko · 2026-09-24T16:10:51+0100

Mr Zoat said:
Ambassador G'kar to get it as a reward.

"G'Kar"

The second letter should be capitalized in a Narn name.

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