What are your most hated fanfic tropes

[vinzzz001]

My problem with 'no killing' rule is that I often see that has with a moral logic that is honestly not tied to any sense of good or evil.

So, let's say you don't kill because killing is bad.
So you would logically force the state to never kill.
But that never happens. For the MC, the government is somehow above their rule.

That not to say that often for those it doesn't matter whether you are killing someone who arguably deserves it, like Gihren Zabi.
The 'kill' is bad, worse than the bad guy who killed millions.

Come on. Killing is an action, it can either be a good action or a bad one.
You can kill people like Griffith, Gihren, Jamitov, Blue Cosmos, Joker and others, and others. That would not be a bad act.

Now if you kill the guy crossing the street? You are evil.

Often those guys SEEM critically unable to differentiate both, which means they are unable to say what is good or what is evil, to which the main question is 'why are you playing superhero then? You don't have the condition to do that '

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This describes it really well. Especially with MC who break laws left and right, yet this is the hill they'll die on.

More so you know from past events that the villain won't reform, will escape soon, and do it all over again. Especially with meta-knowledge.

 

[Stimpak Medic]

I strongly dislike the non-killing heroic MCs. Especially if they go out of their way to save the villain, who just murdered and tortured kids or so. Not just not killing them, but actively preventing villains from dying because of their own stupidity.

Oh, and the MC is totally okay with committing any other crimes apart from killing for their own convenience.

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Reminds me of this manga I read like ten years ago, where the Mc had to clean up after all the goodie two shoes isekai mcs that didn't kill the demon king/bbeg, or otherwise died or screwed up. He basically had to kill the demon king/bbeg, and even sometimes the isekai hero that joined forces with evil for whatever selfish reasons. I think it was called something along the lines of "I clean up after the heroes leave."

 

[mogged]

I strongly dislike the non-killing heroic MCs. Especially if they go out of their way to save the villain, who just murdered and tortured kids or so. Not just not killing them, but actively preventing villains from dying because of their own stupidity.

Oh, and the MC is totally okay with committing any other crimes apart from killing for their own convenience.

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On the other hand, it's also amusing when it's an MC who doesn't mind killing and crimes but an otherwise irredeemable antagonist gets a pass because the author couldn't possibly have their MC kill a girl ESPECIALLY an attractive one lol

 

[Stimpak Medic]

On the other hand, it's also amusing when it's an MC who doesn't mind killing and crimes but an otherwise irredeemable antagonist gets a pass because the author couldn't possibly have their MC kill a girl ESPECIALLY an attractive one lol

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TSMT. Like I get hesitating to kill women is culturally, and to some extent biologically engrained in some of us, but god damn, sometimes "off with her head" is the only way to solve the issue.

 

[Theman]

My problem with 'no killing' rule is that I often see that has with a moral logic that is honestly not tied to any sense of good or evil.

So, let's say you don't kill because killing is bad.
So you would logically force the state to never kill.
But that never happens. For the MC, the government is somehow above their rule.

That not to say that often for those it doesn't matter whether you are killing someone who arguably deserves it, like Gihren Zabi.
The 'kill' is bad, worse than the bad guy who killed millions.

Come on. Killing is an action, it can either be a good action or a bad one.
You can kill people like Griffith, Gihren, Jamitov, Blue Cosmos, Joker and others, and others. That would not be a bad act.

Now if you kill the guy crossing the street? You are evil.

Often those guys SEEM critically unable to differentiate both, which means they are unable to say what is good or what is evil, to which the main question is 'why are you playing superhero then? You don't have the condition to do that '

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I mean you could have a Superman tier guy who enforces a no kill rule on everyone, and will permanently cripple anyone who tries to kill would be interesting having a story where an entire army that is going to war or a police action gets crippled.

 

[Maou09]

I don't know if this counts as a trope, but I hate mind control. Both from a meta perspective and from a moral perspective. I won't speak much about the morality of it here, because that's mainly just my personal opinion and to each his own, but from a meta perspective, it's such an obnoxious tool that authors use to handwave potential conflicts.

One of the worst things a story can have is mind control. It's bad when the enemies have it, and even worse when the protagonist has it. It just saps away all the tension in a story. There's no stopping the mc from just mind controlling all his problems away. Especially in a setting where the MC's mind control is basically inviolable and the victims have no chance to get out of it.

The worst part about protagonists who use mind control is the author tendency to downplay how seriously fucked up that shit is. This is mainly done for protagonists who are 'good', or at least the author attempts to not make them come off as a complete piece of shit. There's a very big cognitive dissonance with a 'good potrayed' protagonist committing obvious acts of evil. You're not any better because you chose to mind control your enemy instead of just killing them. It's one thing when that shit is done for pragmatic reasons, but trying to spin it as a moral victory is ridiculous. It's like excusing rape.

 

[xihute]

You're not any better because you chose to mind control your enemy instead of just killing them.

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I thought that's what's called the rehabilitation

 

[Avernus]

I mean you could have a Superman tier guy who enforces a no kill rule on everyone, and will permanently cripple anyone who tries to kill would be interesting having a story where an entire army that is going to war or a police action gets crippled.

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I'm reminded of a novel where everyone avoided killing people because if you killed someone, their ghost would come back and do terrible things to you. The result being that the bad guys would indirectly kill people, so the ghost wouldn't have a specific target. Burning crops, rounding people up into camps and sealing them inside to starve to death, that sort of thing. Don't recall the title though.

 

[Stanley_Jeb]

I mean you could have a Superman tier guy who enforces a no kill rule on everyone, and will permanently cripple anyone who tries to kill would be interesting having a story where an entire army that is going to war or a police action gets crippled.

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Funnily enough, one of the origins of Supermans choice not to kill is because its something which should only be done when its the only option to stop a threat. Of course, comic writers, having a bit more self-awareness than nowadays, realized that Superman is so powerful its never the only option fir him.

 

[Avernus]

Funnily enough, one of the origins of Supermans choice not to kill is because its something which should only be done when its the only option to stop a threat. Of course, comic writers, having a bit more self-awareness than nowadays, realized that Superman is so powerful its never the only option fir him.

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Superman to Joker:

"Batman doesn't kill people because he has a code. I don't have a code. I just don't generally kill people."

"Generally?"

"Like you said, I'm vague."

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[humon]

Superman to Joker:

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Sounds a bit like the line from Machete

- "Please, Father. Have mercy"
- "God has mercy. I don't" *blam*

 

[Theman]

I don't know if this counts as a trope, but I hate mind control. Both from a meta perspective and from a moral perspective. I won't speak much about the morality of it here, because that's mainly just my personal opinion and to each his own, but from a meta perspective, it's such an obnoxious tool that authors use to handwave potential conflicts.

One of the worst things a story can have is mind control. It's bad when the enemies have it, and even worse when the protagonist has it. It just saps away all the tension in a story. There's no stopping the mc from just mind controlling all his problems away. Especially in a setting where the MC's mind control is basically inviolable and the victims have no chance to get out of it.

The worst part about protagonists who use mind control is the author tendency to downplay how seriously fucked up that shit is. This is mainly done for protagonists who are 'good', or at least the author attempts to not make them come off as a complete piece of shit. There's a very big cognitive dissonance with a 'good potrayed' protagonist committing obvious acts of evil. You're not any better because you chose to mind control your enemy instead of just killing them. It's one thing when that shit is done for pragmatic reasons, but trying to spin it as a moral victory is ridiculous. It's like excusing rape.

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Nah this is a dumb argument guns and mind control and drugs are tools. If I hold you at gunpoint and force you to give me all your cash it's not the same as if I held you at gunpoint and forced you to suck a dick.

It's also not the same if I drug/roofied you to steal your money vs roofing you to have sex with you.

The same applies to mind control. Hypnotizing you to give me all your money is not the same as hypnotizing you to have sex.

 

[Avernus]

Nah this is a dumb argument guns and mind control and drugs are tools. If I hold you at gunpoint and force you to give me all your cash it's not the same as if I held you at gunpoint and forced you to suck a dick.

It's also not the same if I drug/roofied you to steal your money vs roofing you to have sex with you.

The same applies to mind control. Hypnotizing you to give me all your money is not the same as hypnotizing you to have sex.

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No, mind controlling someone for money is like raping them for money (but worse); mind control is a violation in its own right.

 

[Lightbringer]

I mean you could have a Superman tier guy who enforces a no kill rule on everyone, and will permanently cripple anyone who tries to kill would be interesting having a story where an entire army that is going to war or a police action gets crippled.

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Eh, no, I hate Kira Yamatos.

No, mind controlling someone for money is like raping them for money (but worse); mind control is a violation in its own right.

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Would that make scamming rape?

 

[xihute]

Would that make scamming rape?

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The better question is: Are taxes rape?

The answer is yes. The IRS fucked me in the ass.

 

[Lightbringer]

The better question is: Are taxes rape?

The answer is yes. The IRS fucked me in the ass.

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I mean, they technically are, they would violate your physical integrity and harm you if you didn't pay taxes so...
IRS is a creeper.

 

[Avernus]

Would that make scamming rape?

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Does it involve forcible brain surgery? Because to be even close to mind control it would have to.

 

[xihute]

Does it involve forcible brain surgery? Because to be even close to mind control it would have to.

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Does forcibly changing the brain through use of sound waves counts?

 

[Avernus]

Does forcibly changing the brain through use of sound waves counts?

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That would likely be fatal.

And no, "talking" is not "forcibly changing the brain through use of sound waves".

 

[Theman]

No, mind controlling someone for money is like raping them for money (but worse); mind control is a violation in its own right.

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Yeah people will disagree. Flat out would you rather be mind controlled to give someone your wallet in a world where such a thing is possible? Or would you rather be beaten by a thug with a baseball bat until you give him your money? I'd rather the first for me personally.

 

[Avernus]

Yeah people will disagree. Flat out would you rather be mind controlled to give someone your wallet in a world where such a thing is possible? Or would you rather be beaten by a thug with a baseball bat until you give him your money? I'd rather the first for me personally.

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You would have no choice in the matter. They could just combine the two; take your wallet, beat you half to death with a baseball bat for fun and make you genuinely praise them for it. You aren't even really there anymore, just whatever twisted thing they left in place to pilot your former body.

 

[Stimpak Medic]

You would have no choice in the matter. They could just combine the two; take your wallet, beat you half to death with a baseball bat for fun and make you genuinely praise them for it. You aren't even really there anymore, just whatever twisted thing they left in place to pilot your former body.

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The fact that you even have to explain these concepts in the first place is insane, but this is a porn forum, so I guess people do need these concepts explained to them.

 

[xihute]

That would likely be fatal.

And no, "talking" is not "forcibly changing the brain through use of sound waves".

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Haha, you got it.

From a certain point of view, it is

Every talk changes the brain, and so unwanted speech is a "forcibly changing the brain".
Ergo: the charismatic people are mind-controlling rapists.

(Would such a defence hold in the court? "My honour, he talked to me! It was obviously a case of self-defence.")

Does anyone know a sci-fi where communication is treated as an aggression? Only the Blindsight comes to mind, and it's not exactly that.

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The fact that you even have to explain these concepts in the first place is insane, but this is a porn forum, so I guess people do need these concepts explained to them.

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I'm one of the confused. Could you explain to me why removing sexual element from the rape is the default option?

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A irl rape case I once read about in an article. Guys and girls were in a van, the guys closed the doors and pestered the girls until they had sex with them. There were no threats, only pestering going on for hours, and not being able to leave.

That's also why ass-long police interrogations have a high chance of getting false positives, people admitting to crimes they didn't commit because they were talked at for hours (I once watched a twelve-ish boy being interrogated by the police until they convinced him that he killed his little sister).

So, seriously now. I wouldn't call speech "mind-control" or "rape", but the line is a bit more blurry, and I can see people arguing for it.

 

[Avernus]

Every talk changes the brain, and so unwanted speech is a "forcibly changing the brain".

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No, it's not. Not even close; that argument renders the whole concept meaningless by defining every interaction as "forcible".

It serves no function except as an excuse; by that logic beating a woman until half her bones are broken and she can't move then raping her is no different than sweet talking her into bed because both are "forcible".

 

[xihute]

No, it's not. Not even close; that argument renders the whole concept meaningless by defining every interaction as "forcible".

It serves no function except as an excuse; by that logic beating a woman until half her bones are broken and she can't move then raping her is no different than sweet talking her into bed because both are "forcible".

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I think there's a difference, but I get your viewpoint.

Could you explain to me why removing sexual element from the rape is the default option and not just an excuse to call something a rape?

 

[king7marble]

Not sure if I've said this or not but when authors nerf their MC. Like, I read a fic where the MC was supposed to be a kage level fighter but was losing to genin ninjas. Like wtf? Another thing I hate is when the MC is some overly pure and anti-sex person who shames others for having sex while saying that they can totally get someone to sleep with but won't because or whatever reason. The worst offenders of this are also always in more sexual worlds like dxd and I kid you not, ONE IN FUCKING KUROINU!!!

 

[Stanley_Jeb]

Could you explain to me why removing sexual element from the rape is the default option and not just an excuse to call something a rape?

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Eh, it's kinda a cultural thing. You know how everyone was "nazis" for a while? It's kinda like that.
Generally, rape in such, uh, culture refers to a form of deep violation. Of course, that's different for every person: There's people out there who consider things such as cat-calling them a form of rape because, y'know, they "feel violated". Hell, someone calling taxes "rape" isn't even that far off from what I've heard some people say who imagine themselves on the top of a hypothetical AnCap-foodchain. Rape, like Nazi, just has that bit of an extra punch to it.
As for Mind Control in particular, it just makes people very uncomfortable, in the same way burying someone alive does. It's a complete loss, and violation, of agency. I personally wouldn't argue every mind control or manipulation is that serious, it's not like I'm not already selling off eight hours of my life per day to some random rich person, so whether I whore out my mind one way or the other feels like a meaningless distinction, but not everyone sees it that way, and they're entitled to that.

 

[Theman]

You would have no choice in the matter. They could just combine the two; take your wallet, beat you half to death with a baseball bat for fun and make you genuinely praise them for it. You aren't even really there anymore, just whatever twisted thing they left in place to pilot your former body.

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So you have to completely change the scenario and mix both of the. When they were seperate to make your point?


So if someone mind controled you to give them your wallet and you did so then they walked away. You Avernus are dead and it's some other person living your life? That's your opinion I'd say it's pretty hysterical.

 

[xihute]

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Thanks, it's nice to learn something curious from time to time.

I knew about the non-sexual meaning of rape, but always thought that's commonly accepted as a secondary, a niche meaning. A metaphor, a simile to get emotional weight across - but now I know that some treat it literally.

I'm bit miffed about it because we have different words for a reason, but now I will be less confused what people are talking about.

 

[Stimpak Medic]

Not sure if I've said this or not but when authors nerf their MC. Like, I read a fic where the MC was supposed to be a kage level fighter but was losing to genin ninjas. Like wtf? Another thing I hate is when the MC is some overly pure and anti-sex person who shames others for having sex while saying that they can totally get someone to sleep with but won't because or whatever reason. The worst offenders of this are also always in more sexual worlds like dxd and I kid you not, ONE IN FUCKING KUROINU!!!

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This, but with Superman and Goku in crossovers. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone turn Goku from someone who can destroy planets, to for some reason struggling with characters like Ruby Rose, Senran Kagura characters, and even once, Albedo from Overlord.

A single serious punch from Goku would atomize all of them instantly. Yet you expect me to think Goku would struggle with Albedo? Her and all her worn equipment are getting atomized by goku breathing a little too hard in her general direction.