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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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WereDragon said:
This feels uncomfortably close to mind control. Of the sort Paul just spent an episode arguing with Anarchy about. And that they deliberately hid away the spear of destiny to avoid.
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This isn't an artificial construct purposefully made to affect minds. It's literally something that came about naturally due to magic, so it'll exist whether or not they do anything to it. So now that they know about it, it's better to keep an eye on it to prevent evil from messing with it than pretending it doesn't exist.
 
I can see the foreign trainees ask Paul or Uncle Sam ask if their own nations/homelands have their own Heartlands as well, Toyman or the telepathic gorilla, with the answer being yes or it will develop overtime organically or given their line of business someone will try to create it artificially.
 
Mr Zoat said:
We don't know that. We aren't ever presented with an in-universe power scale. All we can do is compare the observed and almost certainly incomplete feats shown on screen.
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In the early seasons, Twilight, the elemental magician and Celestia's personal apprentice, experienced difficulty teleporting. This suggests that teleportation is highly advanced magic.
I don't remember them trying to change Rarity's mane, and even if they couldn't, that might just mean that they haven't learned that particular spell.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbUcl8jkuxQ They used many different spells, but their combined magical skills weren't enough. Trixie had enough magical skills for that.
I... Don't remember her teleporting without magic, which... Would require a machine?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JAQWvE4tcU ㅤㅤ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyPg0AOq_eE nope.
When does an earth pony who isn't Pinkie Pie do things like that?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSDyk9qyXys (+ just like Pinkie teleported in the same episode) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz_NehWgxd8&pp=ygUZbWxwIGNoZWVzZSBzYW5kd2ljaCBzZW5zZQ== ㅤㅤㅤ https://youtu.be/tpdjSd_u7I4?si=n0fsp1cq0XrqW4Cv&t=322
Apple Bloom was afflicted by a magical disease. I don't think we can take that as representative of how it works.
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When Starlight swapped the marks on Celestia and Luna, they, along with the marks, gained the necessary magic to do each other's work.



P.s. Oh my god, I read on and this is the best treatment of Celestia out of all the tons of fanfics I've read. It's hard to describe how impressed I am.
 
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WereDragon said:
This feels uncomfortably close to mind control. Of the sort Paul just spent an episode arguing with Anarchy about. And that they deliberately hid away the spear of destiny to avoid.
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The difference being, this arose from the place rather than being imposed upon it externally. It was explicitly stated as being the goal and essential to the state they were trying to build by the founders of that state. And it's not being administered by a normal human person but by that state made flesh.

Complaining about it is a bit like a Christian confessing their sin, feeling better about it and then complaining about feeling better.
 
Vaermina said:
Those things make up a lot more then 1% of the setting...
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And they rarely show up compared to everything else.

Vaermina said:
He can talk to them, but that is all that has been shown in this story
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Except not, since he can also apparently channel them and let them talk with others.

Like the Narn resistance leader.

Vaermina said:
You seem to have forgotten that before he got enlightenment Paul was heavily limited in how he could change himself due to most changes conflicting with this own subconcious wants.
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Yeah, but then he didn't need to change his appearance in order to hide.

Vaermina said:
No, it means he's no more powerful then early story Paul.

In fact, he's actually weaker then early story Paul, because he can't carry a lantern around with him to recharge and only regains a small trickle of power over time
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Gonna need an actual quote where this is stated.

Vaermina said:
Who then trapped him in a bubble that he was only able to escape from because the Vorlon had a shocked Pikachu face moment.

The real funny thing there is that that was probably the worst thing that could happen, cause now he might think he can do the same with Z'ha'dum. Except that would end up with the Eye frying his brain the moment he got close.
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Keep telling yourself that.

Vaermina said:
Points at High Noon thread in Rants, personal attacks go there.
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That wasn't an attack as much as it was an observation of your actions and the consequences of those actions.

There's a reason a lot of people have you on Ignore, and it's not because you speak the truth or whatever.

Vaermina said:
None of which is creating constructs of living things.
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Again, it is possible for an orange ring to create complex organic matter.

Vaermina said:
have, which is why I know the scene your talking about doesn't go how you're describing
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I'll give you this much, you were right.

I guess I just misremembered G'Kar holding the gun as Lyta shooting the Shadow instead of lobotomizing it.

Though I'm still certain a power ring can hurt them.
 
So, this just occured to me, but if there is a literal Uncle Sam in the DC Universe, are there also living embodiments of other aspects of American culture and society, like Aunt Columbia/Lady Liberty?

And what about embodiments of the countries where you and I came from, Mr. Zoat? Are there personifications of Canada (Johnny Canuck?) or The UK (John Bull?) running around too? Will we ever meet them in the story?
 
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CrazyNoVa said:
So, this just occured to me, but if there is a literal Uncle Sam in the DC Universe, are there also living embodiments of other aspects of American culture and society, like Aunt Columbia/Lady Liberty?
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There was that Johnny Reb character.

He was basically the embodiment of the Confederacy and was Sam's evil twin.

CrazyNoVa said:
And what about embodiments of the countries where you and I came from, Mr. Zoat? Are there personifications of Canada (Johnny Canuck?) or The UK (John Bull?) running around too? Will we ever meet them in the story?
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There was Captain Nazi, and I think some people thought that Russian director was the embodiment of his own country.
 
boo600 said:
Ah, but Uncle Sam just said it was OK. It's probably something along the line of probability control, or Synchronicity Wave Traveling - removing the worms in Washington leads to evidence being uncovered that actually takes out the evil corrupt cabals and bribe takers, or something happens that scares the craven cowards and causes them to flee with the vast sums of money they've already managed to suck from the marrow of the people.
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I'd speculate it's better for actual superheroes like OL and Zatanna to expose them. Heroes have been around long enough to influence some of America's metaphysical processes (or to have their own metaphysical weight). A non-American, America-hating villain entering the heartlands and exposing a worm would probably cause additional problems in the medium and long term.
 
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