[Harry Potter] Malfoid Stories

[Leo 123]

Could a dynamic like this apply to Dracaena ever? https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12853647/15/The-Legacy-of-Bleiss-A-Discord-Anthology

Bleiss attempts to bribe Blake with an early copy of a book rather than just ask her friend for advice on how to ask Jaune out.

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"Bleiss..."

"Yes. The great Bleiss has failed. Ha ha, very funny, can you help now?" Bleiss said, sarcasm moving to helpless sorrow. Blake noticed the tensing around Bleiss's ruby eyes as she held back tears, the blush of embarrassment on her cheeks that stood out like a red flag against snow.

Blake paused for a moment, unsure of what to do.

Then she put out her arms and hugged the heiress close. After a short sniffle, the heiress returned it.

"If you want help, all you have to do is ask," Blake whispered. "You don't have to pay your friends."

"I know, stupid cat," Bleiss mumbled. "Now get off before people get the wrong idea." Blake smiled, pushing the other girl away as she quirked an eyebrow.

"Didn't you say girl on girl was hot earlier?" she asked. Bleiss rolled her eyes, waving a hand at her.

"Hot to read. Not hot when your friend is trying to molest you in a shady hallway," she muttered. She pushed the book into Blake's chest. "Here. A gift. Now how do I get into Jaune's pants?" Blake laughed as they started walking back to their dorm.

"Well, first you'll want to try to get closer by degrees. One step at a time."

I think the person it makes the most sense for Dracaena to ask for advice would be Hermione, because she's close to harry and also because she's not part of the stuck up pureblood group, and thus has an easier time relating to Harry.

I'm just not sure when you could have Dracaena ask Hermione for advice like that. Most of the time they're at odds until Harry and Dracaena are already dating. So this would require Dracaena and Hermione to have started getting along somewhat. Alternately, Dracaena asks one of the Slytherin girls. The issue there being they don't know Harry either, plus they're probably from rich wizarding families and will have the same ideas that Dracaena has that are not working for her.

Although, you could have it be Dracaena is still at odds with Hermione, but is hoping her bribe/present will be enough to get her to help anyway. Maybe if she starts the conversation with an apology for all the nasty things she's done for the last few years and is trying to make amends, it would be more believable for Hermione to not tell her to shove it where the sun does not shine and instead agree to help.

Thoughts?

 

[CountvonBarnOwl]

You forgot to complete your thought.

Yeah, the idea that they are from subordinate families in some way just makes sense. I can't remember where I heard the idea but I've thought something along those lines for a while. It seems most people prefer to let the other Slytherin girls become Dracaena's mean girl squad while Crabbe and Goyle stay male, which makes sense to me. Gives the background Slytherin girls some more screen time. I wonder what Crabbe and Goyle were threatened with by Lucius if they upset his daughter of tried anything with her lol.

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Wow, I really am starting to fall apart. You have my sincere apologies. As does everyone else here, for this and any other instances of error, mistake of fact, cantankerousness & irritability, or any other demonstration of lapsed judgment I have otherwise here displayed resulting in inconvenience, headache or general other stress/making your lives more difficult.

Onto Crabbe and Goyle. A cool moment for them demonstrating their teamwork. It is definitely doable.

Especially since the other dark wizard probably is not used to squaring up against opponents who can whip out the Cruciatus casually or Fiendfyre (at least Crabbe can, albeit with some difficulty and lack of control, but that is why he is a good runner). They can, together, probably pull a much more seasoned opponent down. Likely through a combination of ambush, distraction, a level of coordination not really seen among dark wizards, and a level of willingness to employ dark arts that people with that kind of innate trust in each other don't usually come with.

Of course, I would give Lucius and the sires Crabbe and Goyle a similar relationship so this is not a game breaker.

But any Death Eater who isn't from one of those families, or Voldemort, or one of his favored lieutenants or praetorians (or any other unaffiliated dark/otherwise wizard who Malfoid pointed at) would be in for a rude awakening going in against the two.

Ah, it's kept a bit vague in both the books and movies, but Narcissa is the youngest sister. Bellatrix is the oldest, Andromeda is the middle child, and Narcissa the baby.

I can't remember where I read it, but I think they got along quite well. Before Andromeda eloped with a muggleborn and Bellatrix went full loon, of course. And Cissy isn't even a Death Eater.

It's partly why I like Malfoid scenarios having a happy ending with the in-laws. Lucius and Narcissa are a bizarrely normal, healthy and utterly loyal couple in the middle of, well, everything.

Also, wow, that history lesson. I'm largely ignorant on the intricacies of European history, so that was a doozy.

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You're right, I somehow got the ages of the Black sisters reversed in my head somehow. Like I said, I am out of sorts and off my game.

But yeah, the Black sisters must have been close and the fact that Bella hasn't flown off the handle on Narcissa for Voldemort related reasons.

I definitely like the Malfoid in-laws too. And Harry's kids are going to need the grandparents.

I know this because half of my thoughts about a Malfoid rewrite is chewing on the need to make Hermione anything other than a Deus Ex Machina, Harry an actual hero who isn't a cameraman going through plot tool checkpoints, and to conceptually separate the two because they're Rowling's narrative-siamese-twin self inserts.

It's mainly because I can't think of Harry as a guy who'd be wholeheartedly embracing Malfoid at the end otherwise.

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And there you've hit on another key point in the character writing.

I'd love to hear more thoughts along that line, where you think Rowling made mistakes by way of using the double-self-insert. Like, Harry Cameraman is definitely a thing and you cannot really get him to embrace Malfoid at the end so you're right on that end, but where does one begin in defining Harry was his own person and giving him achievements and mile markers of his own that aren't just 'his friend, who reminds me very much of myself, gave him the answer.'

I'd be thrilled to hear more.

Umbrage? Or Umbridge? It's Umbridge.

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It is funny because the word umbrage means to take issue with or exception to. Also consider the fact that the word 'dolorous' means severe, or grave (in the sense of weight), or sorrowful.

So it is entirely fair to say that most people who interact with Dolores Umbridge end up taking dolorous umbrage with her person, personality, presence, manner, mood, demeanor, conduct, and conversation.

But if you see me type umbrage when I should have put Umbridge going forward it was probably a bit more than a Freudian Slip.

Like see below. The Malfoid vs Umbridge is slow-going, so I typed this up.

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Severe Exception, A Prologue and a Conclusion

Percy Weasley arrived at Hogwarts baffled. The 1995-96 academic year had started off so well. The ministry was making real headway, achieving real reform, feedback about what was happening on the ground was trickling straight into Minister Fudge's own office. Educational Decree No. 23 was a stroke of genius. Percy wondered why nobody had thought of it during his time at Hogwarts.

But as September turned toward October, one open question remained open.

Who murdered Dolores Umbrage?

And Percy Weasley, Assistant Personal Secretary, formerly Junior Personal Assistant Scribe to the Minister for Magic, had been sent to figure it out.

The news that the murder had happened at all was something of a mixed blessing for Percy. The Departmental Permanent Undersecretary to the Ministry for Magic was dead. The bold assassination of a high-ranking official or functionary always wrapped a dozen questions into one. Who? Why? How? And so on…

But it had been an early career jump the likes of which Percy could never have conceived. Granted, it had been preceded by his last job as Junior Personal Assistant Scribe, accompanying the Minister for Magic to meet with the PM.

Percy had gotten a look under the proverbial hood with how magical and muggle governments interwove. The weathered PM did not rise from his chair, nor did he give Minister Fudge leave to sit. Instead, he asked half a dozen uncomfortable questions about what Fudge, who was a nominal part of his cabinet, intended to do about the murder of a department's top civil servant in what was, to the vast majority of Britain, a historical ruin. As well as what Fudge proposed he should say during PMQs, should the opposition – or worse, the back-benchers – get a hold of the information.

As Cornelius Fudge broke out into a flop sweat, the very, very loquacious Cabinet Secretary spoke at length – not that he seemed able to speak in any other way – about the dangers of letting this murder go unanswered, and what it would mean for whole the British system. Percy agreed, it would be 'the thin end of the wedge,' if public functionaries started getting murdered without any response it would mean the end of the realm, the end of the monarchy, and – Merlin forbid – the end of the government, if the MoM couldn't tide the matter over in-house.

"I don't want to lose you from the cabinet, Niel. But the only thing you've produced on the credits side is apprehending one terrorist. On the other hand, one of your top civil servants was murdered barely a month into her new position, you're still down a serial killer, and after that little… hehe… football riot, shall we say, in Dartmoor, I am running out of plausible excuses to make to your colleagues over the apparent favoritism. If MI5 has to get involved in magical affairs it will mean a man overboard."

With a simple "Yes, Prime Minster," Cornielius Fudge left, whiter than a sheet, his staff in tow. Back in his own office he started muttering like a man possessed. Percy personally did not understand why it sounded like the Prime Minister and his top brass were blaming Minister Fudge for the murder, it wasn't like he had committed it, but when he asked why, Fudge simply told him to solve the murder himself and ejected him from his office.

Once his placards and stationery were all changed to reflect his new authority, Percy Weasley set out.

Curiously, for a witch dying in an old, storied, and already profusely haunted building, Dolores Umbrage had left no ghost. Which, given the dastardly state of both her remains and her office, and the fact that Halloween was creeping up made the affair triply shocking.

And stranger than that, the Aurors sent by the Investigation Department could not detect any trace or residual uses of magic on the corpse. The means by which Dolores Umbrage had been dispatched had been entirely muggle in nature. But forensic reconstruction revealed that the Undersecretary's head, heart, and a number of other bones and organs had not just been pulped and used to paint her desk, floor, ceiling, and walls of her office.

Percy, logically, was therefore looking for somebody who understood muggle tools and artefacts well enough to use them, but also magically inclined enough to have a firm grip on what elements of magical significance most of the missing remains had.

But who understood muggles and muggle artefacts as well as a Muggleborn, had access to old, esoteric, arcane, and very dark knowledge in ways that only a true Pureblood family would have or be able to appreciate, and would want to hurt a Ministry official..?

Percy Weasley wished he had not asked himself those questions. Somewhere in the back of his mind, he found four people, four people in Hogwarts who were from an old Pureblood family, four scions of a family whose patriarch was currently the head of the Misuse of Muggle Artefacts Office, and who – through a combination of resentment and close associations with the clearly-off-their-rockers Albus Dumbledore and Harry Potter – would have very good cause to see Ministry officials come to harm.

It couldn't be.

Even without his suspicions, Percy Weasley did not think he was ready to see his siblings again.

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Basically the only idea that my brain wanted to work with for the past four days was detective Percy Weasley sorting through the aftermath. It will not go well.

 

[Leo 123]

Wow, I really am starting to fall apart. You have my sincere apologies. As does everyone else here, for this and any other instances of error, mistake of fact, cantankerousness & irritability, or any other demonstration of lapsed judgment I have otherwise here displayed resulting in inconvenience, headache or general other stress/making your lives more difficult.

Onto Crabbe and Goyle. A cool moment for them demonstrating their teamwork. It is definitely doable.

Especially since the other dark wizard probably is not used to squaring up against opponents who can whip out the Cruciatus casually or Fiendfyre (at least Crabbe can, albeit with some difficulty and lack of control, but that is why he is a good runner). They can, together, probably pull a much more seasoned opponent down. Likely through a combination of ambush, distraction, a level of coordination not really seen among dark wizards, and a level of willingness to employ dark arts that people with that kind of innate trust in each other don't usually come with.

Of course, I would give Lucius and the sires Crabbe and Goyle a similar relationship so this is not a game breaker.

But any Death Eater who isn't from one of those families, or Voldemort, or one of his favored lieutenants or praetorians (or any other unaffiliated dark/otherwise wizard who Malfoid pointed at) would be in for a rude awakening going in against the two.

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No worries.
Crabbe and Goyle. They may be barely literate, but point them at someone and ask them to fight, they'll put their base cunning and ruthless aggression to surprisingly good use. That's a good point about teamwork being lacking among a lot of other dark wizards. I guess that's a downside to a person like Voldemort building an army and a social movement. He'll only be able to keep the other sociopaths who want to murder lots of people and take power. Not a lot of friendly, sociable types, or even just stable professionals.

All this just reminded me of the best wingman Ron and how he's supposedly holding off everyone at Hogwarts while Harry and Dracaena do things that Umbridge would take umbrage with. Dracaena could assign Crabbe and Goyle to help him, and that's how Ron lasts so long. Not that Ron has good teamwork with them, but he can stand there taking all the agro while they act as DPS.

 

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Harry, Ron, Lyra and Daphne are all walking around the castle one night and come across Snape and his real doll Lily. Lily is mocking him and singing James praise. How does it go from there.

 

[Typhonis]

You know, with how few purebloods and even the Sacred Twenty-Eight are left, I think polygamy is still legal and moral in the British Wizarding World. So, Harem Ron, perhaps?

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Actually....... There is a second reason for Daphne to go after Ron. The Weasley name has an heir, Bill. So if Daphne married Ron...he could take her name and become a Green grass. Thus her family name doesn't vanish.

 

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We need to see Daphne comparing everything about herself and Hermione to Ron to show him she is the better option.

 

[celsiussy]

Basically the only idea that my brain wanted to work with for the past four days was detective Percy Weasley sorting through the aftermath. It will not go well.

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Holy shit, Umbridge got Ritual'ed. Percy might be an alluring protagonist to work with because we get so little for someone who gets so much vitriol.

I think the Magic Minister and Muggle Minister are sort of equal in power in the books (though naturally the Magic Minister holds the bigger stick), but I can get by this because the Statute of Secrecy is a huge thing limiting the magical world's leverage.

where does one begin in defining Harry was his own person and giving him achievements and mile markers of his own that aren't just 'his friend, who reminds me very much of myself, gave him the answer.'

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I think Harry is a blank slate enough and Hermione worshipped enough that you can take their characters wherever you wish. But the one chief trait they share is that they're both very vindictive people, and won't feel very much like themselves if they're not prone to resentment.

One other thing that shouldn't change is their parallel friendship with Ron. It's scrubbed from the movies, but in the books it's evident they're miserable when it's just the two of them. As in, across several books, we get Harry noting it's boring without Ron around, that Hermione just isn't interesting, and hey, maybe Snape was right that she's an insufferable know-it-all, and--

Yeah, Rowling did seem to try and keep in mind that she was writing a teenage boy, but the woman's touch shines through in the end, and I wouldn't bet against there being a fem-Harry fic where she constantly competes against Hermione for Ron's attention.

Once you look past all of Rowling's mockery of Ron, it's evident he was likely based on some extroverted and funny 'life of the party' guy from her past.

That aside, I think one of the most 'objective' ways you can write Harry as his own character from the ground up is to start from his neglectful childhood with the Dursleys. I've seen some Malfoid fics get into it.

 

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While i do love a lot of the Malfoid stuff on x they seem to want her and Harry to do everything together. I don't like that they still need to be their own characters.

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Lucy boy if you were anyone else i would pity you.

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[CountvonBarnOwl]

Harry, Ron, Lyra and Daphne are all walking around the castle one night and come across Snape and his real doll Lily. Lily is mocking him and singing James praise. How does it go from there.

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That a real doll of his mother exists at all, and that Snape of all people has one; I imagine Harry's reaction is going to be very green.

Actually....... There is a second reason for Daphne to go after Ron. The Weasley name has an heir, Bill. So if Daphne married Ron...he could take her name and become a Green grass. Thus her family name doesn't vanish.

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It is likely for this same reason that Lucius, Narcissa, and Malfoid will all be pestering Harry to let a couple of the kids take the surnames of Malfoy and Black.

Sure, they'll have the blood claims by being descended from the direct female line.

But for the family names. Dynastic preservation is a thing (especially when the mother's family is more prestigious which leads me to another heraldic theory of mine about House Black's standing), but if you want to avoid pretenders, loss of inheritance, loss of titles, and threats to inter-generational, consolidation of wealth and prestige those things need a male line to continue.

I mean, any one of Ron's brothers could take the name Prewett if they desired and basically be the next continuation for all legitimate claims to the name after them.

Arthur and Molly are probably not the type to be concerned about that sort of thing. But that is kind of a thing that aristocratic families that get reduced to a single daughter do to bounce back.

Charlie would be best because I imagine Percy doing it after book 5 would be taken in the worst possible way and after book 7 he'd be the first to say it.

Back to the Malfoys;

Harry: "What do you mean you want both [insert appropriately funny son's name here] and Lily to take the name Malfoy when they turn 18?"

Lucius: "Because we need to keep the line going somehow and they both sorted into Slytherin."

Harry: "All of my children sort into Slytherin. And Abraxas [I decided] I understand, but my youngest daughter?"

Lucius: "Because she has the proper bearing of a Malfoy her age - since you fold up like a steel chair whenever she wants something - but she's an excellent schemer and she has the diction and manners of a proper pureblood lady. I know I say this about all of the grandlings, but you and Lyra really knocked it out of the park with her.

Harry (internally growling about the one that he named after his mom being the brattiest): "Sure."

Narcissa: "You cannot tell me that you don't want to see what will happen to the portrait of Aunt Walburga when she finds out that you inflicted another Sirius on House Black."

Harry: "Now that's funny."

Which brings me to the point that since the Hat's first idea for him was Slytherin, plus the fact that as I understand it, basic personality traits are about 50% heritable, plus mixing his genes with Malfoid… Harry better get used to green and silver.

The portrait of James and Lily will not be pleased.

Nor will the portrait of Sirius. Until he hears the Walburga portrait.

I had another thought about the Malfoys as grandparents. They are the picture-perfect Pureblood Wizarding nobles, but when you think about it, they were probably the Statute of Secrecy's biggest losers.

And we know how dedicated they were to wizard blood purity when the British throne was between their fingers.

All those connections, all those influences, all that power gone. Perhaps that explains the pivot.hanging out with the muggles now carried real legal ramifications. Ergo, to stay out of trouble and outflank the people who probably lost them a very big share in the East India Company, they became obsessive blood purists.

And for a while it worked (this assumes no other big shakeups) until Voldemort lost the ball. Cultivating the image of blood purity was easy, by means of a very long lineage and opulence. Voldemort, for a while, looked like the right horse to back. Even his shadow shaped wizard society in Britain for over a decade.

Until he wasn't. Voldemort went down, and of course, he took a great deal of what he stood for with him.

But the Malfoys? They're still there. Everything they stood for in the series is a dead letter, but that isn't a problem. Good snakes always shed the old dead skins that they can no longer wear, and replace them with something more fitting. And to get into Slytherin, I am guessing that you have to be a very good snake.

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I think the Magic Minister and Muggle Minister are sort of equal in power in the books (though naturally the Magic Minister holds the bigger stick), but I can get by this because the Statue of Secrecy is a huge thing limiting the magical world's leverage.

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The statute is a massive limitation on leverage. And my knowledge on Harry Potter generally is very limited. I will therefore hear any lore bits that you or anyone else might offer.

So I had went with the idea that Magic is a Ministry within the British government, because I assume that Fudge is answerable to the Queen, and to her through the Prime Minister.

Which led me to wanting to make a reference to the show Yes, Minister/Yes, Prime Minister.

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I think Harry is a blank slate enough and Hermione worshipped enough that you can take their characters wherever you wish. But the one chief trait they share is that they're both very vindictive people, and won't feel very much like themselves if they're not prone to resentment.

One other thing that shouldn't change is their parallel friendship with Ron. It's scrubbed from the movies, but in the books it's evident they're miserable when it's just the two of them. As in, across several books, we get Harry noting it's boring without Ron around, that Hermione just isn't interesting, and hey, maybe Snape was right that she's an insufferable know-it-all, and--

Yeah, Rowling did seem to try and keep in mind that she was writing a teenage boy, but the woman's touch shines through in the end, and I wouldn't bet against there being a fem-Harry fic where she constantly competes against Hermione for Ron's attention.

Once you look past all of Rowling's mockery of Ron, it's evident he was likely based on some extroverted and funny 'life of the party' guy from her past.

That aside, I think one of the most 'objective' ways you can write Harry as his own character from the ground up is to start from his neglectful childhood with the Dursleys. I've seen some Malfoid fics get into it.

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You're right about the resentment. They've both got that going for them.

He really does have a lot of the worst traits of a Slytherin hidden somewhere inside of him, doesn't he?

Come to think of it, he's about as Slytherin as they come in a few ways.

And his childhood would be an excellent place to start. I made that joke about Harry not being allowed within 300 feet of his aunt and uncle's funeral for a reason.

But, oh boy, imagine the PR support that the blood purity bunch would get if it came out that Harry's muggle relatives abused him as a child.

Prone to resentment and had a bad childhood.

I think the best way for Malfoid to get into his heart that way would be to cause someone who wronged him considerable injury.

Or, here is an idea, Forbidden Forest Detention - the two get to talking and Malfoid brings up a way to get back at his relatives (he would not specify who he presently begrudged, beyond that it was not her) that would leave his hands and his wand clean.

Harry implements it when he comes back home, and decides that maybe she's not such a bad girl after all.

That is a way in right there.

Of course, Harry's good traits, he needs to game both sides of his heritage I think. Such as, at school trying to experiment with muggle concepts and ideas for magic. For instance; using Arithmancy to fold space and fast-travel (if Hermione handled the Half Blood Prince book so poorly so I have cause to doubt she would stand for using ideas written in works of muggle fiction that her wizard textbooks do not already tell her. Ironic for a self insert character in a story that is meant to communicate open-mindedness (with debatable efficacy).

Once you look past all of Rowling's mockery of Ron, it's evident he was likely based on some extroverted and funny 'life of the party' guy from her past.

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I would go so far as to say that the mockery is further evidence to this case.

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Moving on, I stumbled across an idea about the nature of unsupported flight.

In that, by its nature, it is essentially the pinnacle of Occlumency.

If Occlumency is at its most basic level clearing one's mind, and emptying it of thoughts and emotions to negate external forces and parties from interceding, and advanced-level Occlumency is to selectively clear your mind of information, then it follows, logically that either by clearing oneself of external or maybe even worldly attachments (going the opposite way of all conventional Occlumency wisdom, and the antithesis to the impetus behind supported flight as I understand it). Alternatively, by following Occlumency's conventional wisdom and extrapolating, a talented practitioner could, conceivably 1) ward themselves against external physical forces (as opposed to personal forces) and/or 2) to create a barrier or 'faux layer' - as the wiki calls it around their physical/corporeal/bodily self as opposed to the cognitive self.

So unsupported flight is, in this way, corporeal Occlumency.

Which lines up nicely with its practitioners (being Voldemort and Snape) I understand flight is pretty common in the movies as it is an easy way to show characters off and explain their power in visual media, but in the books I understand that it is a very rare ability.

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You know, with how few purebloods and even the Sacred Twenty-Eight are left, I think polygamy is still legal and moral in the British Wizarding World. So, Harem Ron, perhaps?

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He freaking earned it. I say let's go.