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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Uh, a minor question: Why is her being a captive considered objectionable? Or is she being repeatedly tortured?
 
Lord Ernest said:
That chat and the Illustres' arguments made me want to read more about the Sybarite, you know. 'Cause that guy is kind of the supervillany Orange Lantern, with his 'I take what I want, intelligently, and make a profit' attitude.

In the meantime, I'm not sure from where the other shoe is gonna drop to make this situation more complicated than what it seems or what the Illustres think it is. Maybe Rose Wilson died in one of the retaliatory strikes of the Syndicate and now Slade is completely set in his 'Syndicate Delenda Est' mode? Maybe the Illustres and Zatanna get suck up into power politics of the Zatara Famiglia? Maybe some intransigent Syndicate member doesn't want to go with the 'Peace but with Profit' new Plan? So many possibilities... I really love visiting alternate universes and analyzing their problems.
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I think he was set in that when they killed his wife. Given her heroics in the comics, maybe Rose Wilson joins the Syndicate on Earth -14.
 
Vaermina said:
This version of Lex Luthor could quite literally do that while on the toilet...

And that's not even counting how given this is a Mirror of the JLAU Earth that diverged between Justice League and Justice League unlimited he would have a good version Brainiac in his head right now helping him along.
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You're thinking of the Justice Lords universe. This is the one from Crisis on Two Earths, which diverged long before Justice League. Seeing as the humans in it have different organ configurations, it diverged at least several million years ago. Not sure what the timeline is for Krona and the Guardians but that could be billions.
 
If this Earth/Universe has so much higher tech level will Paul spend some time to scan/hack random databases/devices to rise his tech level and give himself some new options? It would be a shame to waste oprtunity to make him stronger.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Are you trying to claim that letting the Syndicate off scot-free is the best solution?"
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Here, the Syndicate is being associated with Scotland..

Mr Zoat said:
"How familiar are you with the Good Friday Agreement?"
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Mr Zoat said:
"You think that the Made Men of the Syndicate will become legitimate citizens if the President gives them a… Mulligan?"
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... but the rest of it is about Ireland!
 
Mr Zoat said:
The only reason to stop organised crime over disorganized crime is that they're more likely to be ambitious than random thugs.
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I'm not so sure about that. A lot of disorganized crime is, at it's root, caused by societal problems. I can't give percentages or anything, but I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of random thugs would not be thugs at all were it not for poverty. Fix the societal problems and the crime rate drops quickly. Organised crime, on the other hand, is not caused by societal problems. Perhaps not at the very beginning (most organised crime originates with a group banding together for mutual protection) but by the time it gets to be a big problem it's caused by greed. That means that while most crime can be significantly reduced by reducing poverty without ever going after the criminals themselves, organized crime has to be attacked directly if you want to deal with it.

Aeess said:
Ok, but that makes Owlman seem much more insane, if the Syndicate could have wiped out a large part of the population without actually endangering themselves, why did he ever consider a bomb a sensible choice.
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First, Owlman was insane even by the standards of a bunch of sociopathic narcissistic megalomaniacs. Second, I believe "why a bomb" would have much the same answer as "why a gun" in this comic.

Mr Zoat said:
Doc Strange got the armour and.. what was left of her ring.
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Wait, DC has a Doctor Strange? Huh. I guess with the way DC and Marvel shamelessly rip each other off I should be more surprised that his first name isn't Steve and he's not a wizard.
 
Zig said:
You're thinking of the Justice Lords universe. This is the one from Crisis on Two Earths, which diverged long before Justice League. Seeing as the humans in it have different organ configurations, it diverged at least several million years ago. Not sure what the timeline is for Krona and the Guardians but that could be billions.
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Nope. I know exactly what I was talking about.



Pinklestia said:
He has even less resources that the Syndicate had to invade another dimension.

Plus he will be too busy running the country to war with a completely different Earth.
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I really don't think you properly understand how much more advanced this particular Earth is compared to the one Paul just came from...
 
Pragmatically choosing the least bad option.

Willing to accept that you will not get what you want.

Realising that the stories lie, that there isn't always justice delivered with a righteous glare, but that bad guys sometimes get away because it's better that way.

It separates the kids form the adults.
 
Unrelated to the topic, but I think I found Teth Adom's theme.
 
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Maxx Crowley said:
I'm afraid that you are going to have to provide further explanation for this statement.
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The most common example I know of is cutting a deal for a lenient sentence in return for a guilty plea. The system does that in like 80% of all criminal cases. If they didn't the courts would have a backlog decades long.

But for an example more like the example in the story, the police will sometimes give up on a high speed chase not because they can't catch the person in question but because continuing the chase is too dangerous to all the innocent bystanders around in the area it's going through.

Also, I don't know whether it's ever happened in real life or not, but a common trope in fiction is the crime lord who doesn't tolerate unnecessary violence and whom the cops leave alone for fear of getting someone worse. (I THINK the Yakuza might have been that for a while in Japan, but since I'm unfamiliar enough with the real Yakuza that the fictional depictions of them bleed into my knowledge of them pretty severely I would not want to state that as fact. And in any case they cracked down on the real Yakuza a while ago.)
 
Xmaster3000 said:
Unrelated to the topic, but I think found Teth Adom's theme.
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Teth Adom, at least as depicted in this story, isn't the lightning. The lightning is a call for attention, uncertain in direction, with all the foreboding of a jump scare. Teth Adom is the thunder: anticipated, inevitable, and depending on the context can be intimidating or reassuring. By that merit, an energetic, modern song that lacks a heavy drum is ill-suited to represent the Champion of Khandaq.

...I wonder what Earth -14's Teth Adom is like.
 
Prince Charon said:
Given her heroics in the comics, maybe Rose Wilson joins the Syndicate on Earth -14.
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I could see her, at most, as an Anti-Hero; if there's been some divergence from the movie and with Power Ring Blue's influence. She would be trying to stop the escalation war his father is provoking, but in no way associated with the Syndicate. After all, in the movie itself she had to be saved by the Justice League from an assassination attempt... and she also had something weird going on with the Martian Manhunter; can't remember if they even addressed her age in the movie.
 
Siskulous said:
Wait, DC has a Doctor Strange? Huh. I guess with the way DC and Marvel shamelessly rip each other off I should be more surprised that his first name isn't Steve and he's not a wizard.
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DC actually has two Dr Stranges, Adam Strange as far as I know isn't one.

In the comics he's an archeologist and since he's never been referred to as Dr I would assume he's got his masters instead, in YJ he's a STAR Labs scientist who works on the Erdel teleportation system.

Hugo Strange, already mentioned, is an evil psychiatrist.

From the ABC imprint they have Dr Thomas Hugo Strange, a reimagining of a golden age public domain superhero as an alternate version of the Doc Savage esque Tom Strong. He's a scientist who developed a serum of "Gimme the powers of superman!" basically. Odd thing about Dr Thomas Strange and Tom Strong, his doppelganger, is that they exist in the same universe, that universe just has two Earths in it.
 
PDV said:
Did he match the "empowered by Oggar, eventually rebelled against him for personal reasons" template we'd expect from the mirror?
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Even better: the rebellion would be forming something like the Justice Syndicate, with the Atlantan Queen being an anti-hero. His rebellion would be in trying to control crime and chaos with the pseudo-Syndicate and thereby lessening the amount that actually happens.
 
Siskulous said:
I'm not so sure about that. A lot of disorganized crime is, at it's root, caused by societal problems. I can't give percentages or anything, but I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of random thugs would not be thugs at all were it not for poverty. Fix the societal problems and the crime rate drops quickly. Organised crime, on the other hand, is not caused by societal problems. Perhaps not at the very beginning (most organised crime originates with a group banding together for mutual protection) but by the time it gets to be a big problem it's caused by greed. That means that while most crime can be significantly reduced by reducing poverty without ever going after the criminals themselves, organized crime has to be attacked directly if you want to deal with it.
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Some of the stuff I've seen suggests it's not poverty as such, but poor childhoods and broken homes.

There are a lot of people with little money, who never commit much crime. There are plenty of people with a lot of money, who do horrible things.
 
Vaermina said:
I really don't think you properly understand how much more advanced this particular Earth is compared to the one Paul just came from...
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Not really, Young Justice has the same level of tech or better is just not shared around because Mad Docs are idiots.

Plus, good Luthor is smart and he does know he can't both make the USA great again and win a war with an Alternate Earth.

And because is historic, I should mention the USA government made deals with the US Mafia during WWII to keep nazis away from the US ports. And there is also operation Paperclip.

So the USA government making desls woth criminals has happened before in reality if the motivation and or need was strong enough, so why not in fiction?
 
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Pinklestia said:
Not really, Young Justice has the same level of tech or better is just not shared around because Mac Docs are idiots.

Plus, good Luthor is smart and he does know he can't both make the USA great again and win a war with an Alternate Earth.

And because is historic, I should mention the USA government made deals with the US Magia during WWII to keep nazis away from the US ports. And there is also operation Paperclip.

So the USA government making desls woth criminals has happened before in reality if the motivation and or need was strong enough, so why not in fiction?
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Given the "Close" alliance between the US and Saudi Arabia, and how long that's lasted, the US Gov will work with almost anybody.
 
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