With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

You literally cannot Anti-Life Scott Free, but making a clone of him that's Antifreedom? Perfectly possible.

 

If you are on a ios device (iphone, ipad) you can easily read most kind of invisitext by doing this:
1)Create a marker on the webpage you are currently on.
2) Go in your markers list and modify the Html of your new marker by writing this insteat:
javascript:$(%22%5Bstyle*='transparent'%5D%22).attr(%22style%22,%20%22color%20:%20blue%22)
3) rename the marker for easier use (mine is just invisitext)
4) if you think there is invisitext just open your marker list and click on this new marker and it should reveal it (it doesn’t work on some kind of invisitext, but no problem with the one used by Mr Zoat)

 

Mortalla might not be Grayven-50's mother.

Grayven's actual origin from the comics is that he was born and raised on another planet that Darkseid visited and didn't find out his parentage until his mother confessed on her death bed.

His motivation was to steal the Zeta Beam technology to take his fleet to Apokalips to conquer it because he's butthurt that his father literally doesn't know he exists.

So Zoat changed his parentage on Earth-16, fair enough, but Earth-50 doesn't run parallel to Earth-16 but Earth-12, unlike Earth Negative 14 that he made parallel to Earth-16.

So while there's every reason to believe that Negative 14 Grayven would be Mortalla's son, Earth-50's Grayven might have no relation to Mortalla here on Earth-50.

 

Capitalize invincible.

Looks like Stsword called it; it's Doctor Impossible.

 

Ha, Grayven 50 might as well kill himself. That would spare him the insanity that is Earth.

 

Oh, so the local Grayven was behind all the horseshit from last time Lantern Grayven came to this universe?

 

Huh, probably one of the best ways to restrain someone without physics-breaking super-strength.

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

Ah, Best Ring is still with him.

Gross Violation of the Evil Overlord list!

Oh, that's not good. Emotion-damping is one of a Lantern's biggest weaknesses.

Ah, Ring-nestro. Best AI for snark.

Good explanation for how a rookie Yellow can operate.

Logical enough summation.

Good to see his consideration for something nominally happy being a ring.

Such compassion. Sounds like she's getting dampened down as much as the rings are.

Oh, hell. Stsword called it, right enough. The New God of restraint and confinement...

Both of those are such Silver Age names...

Oh, nasty combination of interrogation techniques.

So not quite as silly-looking. But still stupid.

So, he's aware of the existence of multiple universes... Or does he mean something related to Impossible? A human-born New God?

You... Could say that.

Lovely banter. Renegade's living up to his trolling reputation.

Huh, that probably would empower them, though it would likely impact their ability to operate independently... Unless he used trusted generals...

Ooooh, crap. He's looking to conquer the Fifth World...

This is turning out worse and worse. Earth-50 is particularly weakly defended right now, thanks to the Lords' foolishness. There's a good chance Grayven-50 could steamroll Humanity (probably at great cost) and end up with a ludicrously powerful army to expand outwards...

Thankfully very little Godspeech today... Colored by character...

 

I'm not complaining, but todays post feels... kind of short. Huh.

 

And another group of bad guys that were handed the idiot ball...

 

*Graven admits to wanting Earth*
OL Grayven *Nods* "Yep totally can agree there."

 

Uhh... what? This is an interrogation (so he has to be conscious) by 2 villains, one whose entire New God domain is the ability to keep people captured, of a hero they already beat, who is tied up, can’t use his weapons, and was likely only allowed to keep them so that he knows he can’t use them. Or maybe so that he can’t use them to get himself out due to them not working. As OL pointed out, it’s weird they let him keep his gear, and they probably did it on purpose. Maybe they only have the one prison separated from outside emotion, and couldn’t put his gear in another, similar, prison due to technology restrictions.

 

Don't forget their god powers as well. You can't get much more conquered than being powerless despite having all your gear and weapons at hand. It could very well result in a stronger cage than if they were all removed.

 

"Disarm your prisoner because no safeguard is foolproof" is literally the most basic of basics.

More advanced is "destroy your prisoners weapons because that way if he escapes he would be powerless", but that would be asking for a bit too much badguy competence for a fanfiction.

 

Going off to get eaten by a random plot bunny of the week? Man. I don't envy this guy.

 

It’s not easy to destroy lantern rings, or mother boxes. They preety much did disarm him due to disabling his weapons, but also want him to know he’s disarmed and want him to lose hope of escape due to the fact that even though he has his weapons, he still can’t do anything. They want him to be conquered, and powerless to stop them, but also to know that he is. Since taking away a lantern ring is pointless without destroying it, as they’re easy to call back for competent lanterns, and possibly create holes in metal sheets, it’s best to let him keep it while it’s disabled anyways for the psychological / spiritual effect.

 

I dunno. Renegrayven might be able to work something out - after all, there’s a difference between being a Space Conqueror super villain and a Space Conquerer superhero.

 

I'm gonna laugh if this is just Universe 50 Paul who had the same idea as Renegade at some point and now they're facing off all menacingly when they're both just thinking "Shit, alright, now I gotta make sure this absolute fucking psychopath doesn't do anything to Earth."

 

Y'know I was about to say that I'm begining to think this is another renepaul

 

The fact the Ophidian may no longer by trapped with Larfleeze (she refers to him in the past tense) may mean the local Paul of earth 50 may be having adventures in space and may have avoided earth because the local DC heroes were assholes. Would be funny if Paul-50 comes back to sector 2814 with an army of orange lanterns.

 

Thank you, corrected.

No, the other way around. He heard about it because the Renegade involved himself.

 

Fairly unlikely seeing as 50 diverged from 12 more recently than Paul arrived on 12, so either 50 has no Paul, or it has Peter Wynne... who likely would have tried to stop the Lords butteflying large parts of the story.

 

I can't believe I never considered that Earth-50 should have its own iteration of the SI, given that the DCAU and the obscure pilot-DCAU both do. It would be sad if the Lords finished him off or lobotomized him during their tyrannical phase.

Background questions I had, that as far as I know haven't been addressed:

Way back in the prison break/New Year episode, Renegade told Barda "Welcome to the Fifth World" in God-speech. Was there any follow-up on that from her, Scott or anyone else? I'm not sure how aware the New Gods are of the reasoning behind the numbering of their world.

Does Renegade Scott Free know how to Awaken humans to become New Gods? Has he tried working it out from the scans he did of Renegade Awakening Zatanna and Artemis? Paragon Scott Free could possibly be working on the same thing since he should know about The Key, though I remember you replying that no-one was working on it in that timeline, which seems a shame (though I understand it's tricky to make the timelines distinctive enough to be interesting).

 

Nth metal weapons can easily destroy lantern rings.

And Mother Boxes's aren't particularly sturdy.

And no, while taking away a lantern ring and keeping it in the next room is pointless. Taking away a lantern ring and dropping it on some random uninhabited planet half way across the universe via boomtube completely fucks the lantern over.

 

Barda doesn't have a particularly good education. Highfather Izaya might have a reaction, but he and Renegade Scott don't have much to do with one another and he probably hasn't mentioned it.

He hasn't ever done it himself, but has a rough idea how it works and could probably work it out.

Paragon Scott is back in semi-regular touch with Highfather

 

Really? A boom tube half way across the universe? Sorry, but THAT would be holding the idiot ball for a god of conquest.

He has renegade in his power. To remove his weapons would say that he is still a threat. To remove his weapons, pause in his current conquest and flee his empire in order to deal with him... Well, probably not good.

 

Paul's exponential weakness is bring shared through multiple parallel universes to the rest of his existences...or Mr. Zoat just felt it was good as is.

 

Flee? Why would he have to flee? He could literally just toss the rings through.

And no, removing Renegade's weapons would say Grayven wasn't an idiot. Because even conceptually speaking it's stupid since leaving Renagade's weapons leaves him hope. And people with hope can never be fully conquered.

 

Clearly, Zoat is the New God of Self-Inserts.

 

Well, can't fault his logic, I suppose.