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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Gantradies

    Gantradies Not too sore, are you?

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    .... you know, one wonders how alt-hitler stayed in power for any amount of time post alt-war given how he spent the entire time literally destroying his entire body with massive doses of psychotropics/uppers/downers/literally anything he could fit into a syringe, and from what i recall, his habitual chemical abuse started some time before his idiocy caused things to start collapsing bad enough that it wasn't deniable-
    or Goering would have made a power grab, or...
    the power dynamics/disfunctional nature of the government, barring the unifying factor of a war, and without the stronghold/siege mentality directing eyes away from the rot/increasingly erratic behavior of the individuals at the helm...

    maybe he got replaced with a doppelganger after being covertly disposed of?

    like, body-double, or a Clone, or.....- what tech would they have had at the time that Earth Prime didnt?- i mean... when was Red Tornado Developed/Released, again?

    i mean- the depiction of Hitler in Wolfenstein: TNC would, by the 60's, genuinely be a best-case for what his mental/physical condition would have been....

    he'd have been a raving, outwardly repulsive lunatic incapable of HIDING it anymore by the 50's without the bullshit, easily reverse-engineered superscience the new-wolfenstein timeline nazi's lucked into stopping his.... well, everything from giving out from all the drugs- most people would TRY to stop at the point their veins started making brittle, crunching sounds during every injection.... unless the divergence point was... in the 20's or earlier, there's... so..many questions about the OTHER things that would HAVE to have changed for them to win...


    (for context,part of why im so intensely scathing/dismissive of little Adolph's little club, is because... well- the Nazi "Aryan superman" ideal was HILARIOUSLY off base, not even taking into account the ACTUAL Aryan's-not the "blue eyed, blond haired" people they constantly mewled about inarticulately, were an Indian ethnicity, from memory-
    i..have a tendency to ramble/rant on the subject-i find their level of stupidity/hypocracy almost physically painful,and my Grandfather Fought in WW2, have several friends and family who are Jewish, AND given i have HFA, id have been on the chopping block myself..
    im editing this down to be comprehensible as i go, if its not coherent by the time i sleep ill wipe the whole thing in the morning if it isnt salvageable, leave an apology >.<)

    Hitler/maybe Goering,memory is foggy,was on the record complaining that all their archeologists were discovering was more and more evidence that the ethnic group they claimed to be descended from were backwards by the standards of the time/lived in crude huts, literally-the level cognitive dissonance the higher ups who actually believed relied on to function was...actually impressive..)

    a lot of this stuff is darkly hilarious when you start reading up- Adolph Galland's [the Reichmarshal of the Luftwaffe - not an ideological member of the nazi party, spent almost the entire war up in the air or planning-decent enough man, as unlikely as it might sound] autobiography mentions some of the really stupid stuff that went on behind the scenes with logistics/petty politics- think you can get the book, "Fighter General", on amazon- there were so many things stacked against Germany due to how unhinged their leadership had became, that im curious how they "won", even with the support of an indoctrinated Kryptonian...

    i mean- did they..have him literally kill everyone capable of resistance in Europe/The Soviet union and so forth, when he was barely a child/ a teenager, regardless of the effects of local sunlight on his biology, did the Reich get utterly stomped and make a miraculous comeback decades later, or...

    ..... is it bad that the thing i feel is unrealistic about the "nazi DC" sub-setting is that Nazi Germany's government SURVIVED a "victory" without disintegrating into an orgy of backstabbing that took the country with them, not the half-assed retroviral engineering project actually working on one/two people out of a few thousand subjects? >.<
     
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  2. Fallen Gods Rise

    Fallen Gods Rise Just stepped on a Lego

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    Someone remind me 'TP Paul and RQ jade'

    I swear this fic needs flowcharts and a who's who.
     
  3. Navi-Hank

    Navi-Hank An engine fuled by spite

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    But can you blame him?
     
  4. MadMarx420

    MadMarx420 Not too sore, are you?

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    What? There’s a MCU SI? Can someone provide a link or the chapter name?
     
  5. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    I think the only thing we heard of him is his conversation with Magneto. It was soon after (or maybe during?) the April Fools series of events.
     
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  6. DrThoth

    DrThoth I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I mean at the very least, the word Overgirl used has come up before (and funnily enough also to refer to John Stewart in particular), when Krieger attacked the Watchtower way back when, also in a deliberately Nazi/racist context, and there didn't seem to be an issue (I was still just reading Story Only on SB at that point, so I could be wrong, but at the very least, that didn't prompt any forum-switch).

    There were a few snippets prior to that, though I don't have ready access to links for them.
     
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  7. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    The thing about Wolfenstein: The New Order that makes me uncomfortable is that it is now an official part of the setting there actually was a secret society of Jews with access to all manner of advanced technology that they were hording to themselves. That technology was only released when the Nazis got hold of it, and they used it to make life for their people much better.

    I mean, not all the people they executed, but for everyone else.

    In this setting, that means that Hitler has done more good with kryptonian technology than Superman. More bad as well, but then, he is Hitler.
    I'm guessing that Hitler got hold of some kryptonian medicine?
    I don't know who TP is, but 'RQ' refers to Red Queen Jade.
     
  8. Tzeentch

    Tzeentch I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Eh, others might disagree.:D
     
  9. Ganurath

    Ganurath Apologizes For Nothing

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    If she were thinking of the color, his ring's translator would've had her ask if that was a black.
     
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  10. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    Time Trapper Paul and Red Queen Jade... There was a typo that Zoat referenced.


    Ring translation translates subconscious language intent too, so yeah, she meant Negro in the derogatory sense.
     
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  11. jonasquinn

    jonasquinn I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I mean to be fair Earth 10 had 70 years, an entire government dedicated to reverse engineering Kal Els pod, thousands of ruthless scientists, a war and radical ideology to motivate people and millions of unwilling test subjects

    Also, I'm a little surprised that Paul didn't point out that if Overmans pod landed in 1938 then he would've been too young to play a part in the Holocaust and almost certainly would've missed most if not all of the war depending on when he was first deployed

    As for Wolfenstein I always found the idea of the Da'at Yichud being an interesting one, a group of people who create new things because it's the one thing they can do that they know God did as well, and while it is a bit uncomfortable implying that the Nazis were right about there being a secret Jewish society it's a far cry from the Jewish Illuminati the Nazis were obsessed with
     
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  12. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Well worn.

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    I want her to meet Africa's Superman, it would be hilarious.
     
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  13. DrThoth

    DrThoth I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Is this a reference to Teth Adom, Icon, Doctor Mist or some alternate-version of Superman?
     
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  14. Coda

    Coda Versed in the lewd.

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    Nazis'. (As written it sounds like you're referring to a singular Nazi.)

    Socialists'.
     
  15. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    If the april fools episode will be a renegade episode then will he see what his alternates are doing like the paragon did, or is it just going to be us that see what alternate Pauls are doing?
    If the episode is a two parter then will we get snippets of the alternates in both episodes?
     
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  16. FreeGod

    FreeGod If you see a God on the road fuck it!

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    Maybe we are going to have a criss of the infinite Pauls?
     
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  17. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Zoat already confirmed crisis of infinite Pauls.
     
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  18. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    They're alternates of each other so... Technically?
    Yes.
     
  19. MadMarx420

    MadMarx420 Not too sore, are you?

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    Does anyone know the chapter name where Paul gave Alan a blue lantern ring? was trying to find it but for the life of me couldn't.
     
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  20. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Resolution.
     
  21. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    This appears to be part of the setup, but considering the word investment so far, the payoff is likely to be multi episodic, thus isn't likely to be done in this episode.

    In short, yes this is part of the crisis setup and as things get worse we may even get more intermultiversal refugees like Overgirl...

    I think getting fan favorites like Impulse and teh blue beetle isn't just a pipe dream now even if their inclusion in universe 16 would mean their original one was destroyed to fuel Red Queen and Time Trapper shenanigans.


    Also a new visit from Dana Dearden (she is in teh future now sadly ) isn't out of the question as they would probably return to the past to investigate shit as their timeline may be erased.
     
  22. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    What did the renegade do to Shayera 50 aside from curing her, did he give her any powers?

    Will the justice league that defeated the Lords find out about what happened to them?

    Will we see future episodes with Peter Wynne?
     
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  23. DrThoth

    DrThoth I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I suppose we didn't see as much explicit magic going on there as in YJ, but Aquaman's trident and the history of Atlantis does strongly indicate that they have magical knowledge; granted, the evidence technically only indicates that they had it in the past, but I don't think we get any knowledge about the power sources for their technology or anything, so it could be magi-tech (And unless Aquaman's and future-Aquagirl's abilities are just 'typical' metahuman traits, that would also count as magic).
     
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  24. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    What year will the SI discover his surname?
     
  25. transhumansage

    transhumansage Versed in the lewd.

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    earth 10 is an abomination. I wonder if the freedom fighters won in the actual comic?
     
  26. DrThoth

    DrThoth I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    He hasn't forgotten it, he just can't say it. Or do you mean when other characters/the readers discover it? (I know that some people irl already do because of an old Photobucket account).
     
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  27. Coda

    Coda Versed in the lewd.

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    If you can't think about it, can you really be said to remember it? He can't think it any more than he can think his first name, but it's sufficiently uncommon that he wasn't able to figure it out through trial and error. The only thing, in-character, that he was able to determine is that it has something to do with candles.

    (I'm one of the people who knows, but not because of Photobucket; I told him where I found it so he could plug that leak.)
     
  28. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    I am pretty sure that the comic with the freedom fighters is still ongoing.

    And as to the surname question I was wondering when we will discover it?
    If anyone on this site knows Zoats surname could you please post it, he only confirmed that his name is Paul?

    Coda could you tell us what his surname is?
     
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  29. ForeverShogo

    ForeverShogo Not too sore, are you?

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    I actually wish they left Earth 10 alone. From what I can tell, it's leading up to the Freedom Fighters being victorious. Which I just think defeats the purpose of even having those kinds of bad universes. The point is that evil won there. You don't just go and say, "Just kidding!"

    Especially when it's already too late for all the groups that got genocided.

    As for Hitler sticking around despite his health? Probably the reverse-engineered Kryptonian super science. Though I'll also point out that Hitler wasn't just some random junkie sticking whatever he could in a syringe. What really happened is he had an absolutely bonkers personal physician who gave him shit like cocaine eye drops, or gave him what he called Vitamultin but was really just meth.

    Kryptonian medical technology probably reversed the damage Morell did to him, and once he had super medicine he probably didn't bother with Morell's services any longer.

    Hmm. Given how quickly they'd have had to reverse-engineer that tech to win the war . . . Reinhard Heydrich might have survived, too. That's actually kind of scary. Heydrich was frighteningly effective and competent. So much so that it frightened the Allies. Which is why they went out of their way to have him assassinated.
     
  30. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Yeah, it's a pipe dream.
    He undid the results of months of inactivity, no.
    Can't.. think of any reason why they would.
    He will feature in at least two episodes.
    1983, technically.
    Define 'won'. In Mastermen the Freedom Fighters were pretty much just ideologically motivated terrorists, attacking everyone and everything in a world that had more or less accepted National Socialism and where the purges were three generations ago. For example, they blew up Overgirl's memorial service and only Blitz prevented massive civilian casualties, then later they dropped a space station on Metropolis and killed everyone who lived there. In Freedom Fighters on the other hand they're portrayed as freeing an occupied America from Nazi oppression, and it's painfully clear that for some reason the Nazis never made any attempt at establishing a puppet government or indoctrinating the population. That series hasn't finished, but it's pretty clear that they're going to win.

    Which brings me onto V for Vendetta. Something that annoys me about it is that while it's framed as a fight between fascism and anarchism, we don't actually get a solid ideological case for fascism at any point. Chancellor Susan starts making one, and gets to the end of a page before he starts masturbating over his computer. We never get enough information to know whether his assertion that rigid social controls were the only way for the country to survive the nuclear war was correct, and the book ends before we get a chance to see the negative results of V's actions. Like mass looting, starvation and warlordism.
    Stop being lazy. Work it out yourself, if you can, or wait until the end of the story when the character says it.
     
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