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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. ForeverShogo

    ForeverShogo Know what you're doing yet?

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    I actually wish they left Earth 10 alone. From what I can tell, it's leading up to the Freedom Fighters being victorious. Which I just think defeats the purpose of even having those kinds of bad universes. The point is that evil won there. You don't just go and say, "Just kidding!"

    Especially when it's already too late for all the groups that got genocided.

    As for Hitler sticking around despite his health? Probably the reverse-engineered Kryptonian super science. Though I'll also point out that Hitler wasn't just some random junkie sticking whatever he could in a syringe. What really happened is he had an absolutely bonkers personal physician who gave him shit like cocaine eye drops, or gave him what he called Vitamultin but was really just meth.

    Kryptonian medical technology probably reversed the damage Morell did to him, and once he had super medicine he probably didn't bother with Morell's services any longer.

    Hmm. Given how quickly they'd have had to reverse-engineer that tech to win the war . . . Reinhard Heydrich might have survived, too. That's actually kind of scary. Heydrich was frighteningly effective and competent. So much so that it frightened the Allies. Which is why they went out of their way to have him assassinated.
     
  2. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Yeah, it's a pipe dream.
    He undid the results of months of inactivity, no.
    Can't.. think of any reason why they would.
    He will feature in at least two episodes.
    1983, technically.
    Define 'won'. In Mastermen the Freedom Fighters were pretty much just ideologically motivated terrorists, attacking everyone and everything in a world that had more or less accepted National Socialism and where the purges were three generations ago. For example, they blew up Overgirl's memorial service and only Blitz prevented massive civilian casualties, then later they dropped a space station on Metropolis and killed everyone who lived there. In Freedom Fighters on the other hand they're portrayed as freeing an occupied America from Nazi oppression, and it's painfully clear that for some reason the Nazis never made any attempt at establishing a puppet government or indoctrinating the population. That series hasn't finished, but it's pretty clear that they're going to win.

    Which brings me onto V for Vendetta. Something that annoys me about it is that while it's framed as a fight between fascism and anarchism, we don't actually get a solid ideological case for fascism at any point. Chancellor Susan starts making one, and gets to the end of a page before he starts masturbating over his computer. We never get enough information to know whether his assertion that rigid social controls were the only way for the country to survive the nuclear war was correct, and the book ends before we get a chance to see the negative results of V's actions. Like mass looting, starvation and warlordism.
    Stop being lazy. Work it out yourself, if you can, or wait until the end of the story when the character says it.
     
  3. transhumansage

    transhumansage Know what you're doing yet?

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    What do you have against blue beetle and impulse?
     
  4. Yog

    Yog Know what you're doing yet?

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    Actually... Is she speaking English? If so, why? This might be an issue with translation, actually. For example, in Russian "негр" (negr) is not considered offensive as a description of the race. If she's speaking in (a variant of) german... Well, I don't know german, would it actually be offensive?
     
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  5. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Nothing especially. But if the SI doesn't do something about a scarab after he sees it then he's an idiot. And he isn't. Impulse will probably exist, but there's no obvious reason for the SI to seek him out.
     
  6. Queshire

    Queshire Not too sore, are you?

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    Yes. Yes I can.
     
  7. Aeess

    Aeess Not too sore, are you?

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    Yes it would be quiet offensive in modern times, though there aren't many polite ways to refer to someone's skin color in German, black would be the least offensive term.

    But 'Neger' the word Overgirl likely used isn't acceptable at all and we even changed the names of a chocolate sweet from Negerkuss to Schokokuss because of the implication of the word.
     
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  8. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    They can't happen because the plot that leads to them got derailed. Zoat explained years ago (when the derailment had just happened) that he couldn't think of a reasonable and logical way to have either of them without force feeding the idiot ball... You can probably guess what event has been derailed to hell and changed canon.
     
  9. Gilhelmi

    Gilhelmi Getting sticky.

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    Honestly, I have never watched Young Justice. I've been meaning to but, it would require I subscribe to the DC Universe service (which is a decent deal). It is still a few months out of rotation before I will subscribe. I have to finish the current season of My Hero Achidamia before I move onto the next service. Next year, I am waiting till most of the season is dubbed to English before resubscribing.

    I ain't no pirate, legal stream are all I will do.
     
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  10. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    Since there isn't an eldritch horror running around inside his body he has one.
     
  11. King of Frost

    King of Frost Wishing I was somewhere colder no doubt.

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    It depends on how the ring is translating it. Because from how it's been described throughout the story I'm inclined to believe it translates meaning more than a literal translation. If she was simply saying the color "black" it would have probably translated as "black."

    The fact that it translated to an offensive term in the language it was translated to means she probably meant it that way.
     
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  12. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Uh...is there a particular reason that you're trying to basically partially Dox Zoat?

    Because, you know, that's like....rude as fuck for one, and slightly unethical for the other.

    If Zoat wanted it known, he would, you know, just come out and say it. If he wanted it hidden, he'd put it in the FAQ.

    Seriously, I'm not entirely sure if you're breaking a rule, but its gotta be close.
     
  13. Rhomanion1

    Rhomanion1 Making the rounds.

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    Would Overgirl even know that she's using an offensive term? If I recall correctly "negro" was considered the politically correct term up to the 1960's in the United States, even civil rights leaders like W.E.B Du Bois and Martin Luther King used it. It might be that she is using the politically neutral term that was last used for African-Americans, just that the term is very out of date since said race went extinct before she was even born.

    Edit : Given the above, that momentary frown might be more confusion or curiosity than anything. Seeing Lantern Stewart must be like seeing a Tasmanian Tiger for her, and who knows, might not start frothing at the mouth at seeing him, no need for the state to encourage hatred of people that no longer exist, reason why the modern Egyptian state doesn't have a visceral disgust for Hittites.
     
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  14. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    I'm fine with people trying to guess my name. If I wasn't, then I wouldn't have used my real first name or home town in the story. What I'm not okay is people being lazy about finding out.
    She was using a mildly offensive term out of surprise, in German.
     
  15. Rhomanion1

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    Oh, alright then, thanks for the clarification.
     
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  16. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Experienced.

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    Yes.

    Whatever happened with DC wanting to make Superman Jewish anyway?

    Edit:

    I already wrote something about that ages ago but it involved a crazy Dark Lantern Paul instead. And it was more about Black Laterns lead by a [DEATH] powered [PAUL] killing the multiverse one universe at a time. Sadly I never finished it. Black Latern Paul might have been the antimatter universe one and he literally could only exist because the Black ring prevented the whole matter + antimatter : Bad news thing.

    Then later [DEATH] took advantage of his lack of soul to turn him into the perfect vessel but something went wrong.
     
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  17. MadMarx420

    MadMarx420 Know what you're doing yet?

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    I was reading through this entire fic again and i got to the part where Lois is with Kal and Paul transporting the moon with zod on it and I was wondering if anyone has any sources on how exactly Kryptonian society functioned, like what was their government look like? was it democratic etc.
     
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  18. DrThoth

    DrThoth Not too sore, are you?

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    There was a bit of discussion about it (mostly in relation to how criminality worked) in the Renegade episode where they were secretly excavating the Doomsday spaceship, but I don't remember if there were links to wikis or other sources included.
     
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    theaceoffire Know what you're doing yet?

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    No, didn't you see my hologram!? He was clearly Orange.

    "People can't be Orange."

    //Looks at Trump.
     
  20. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Oh Lord, just put her down now OL.
     
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  21. Ganurath

    Ganurath Apologizes For Nothing

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    She can fly under her own power, so that wouldn't do anything even if he were carrying her.
     
  22. Gantradies

    Gantradies Know what you're doing yet?

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    the part of that point id debate, is, in setting, just how much- or how little- of that stolen technology was used for anything other then as a weapon-
    the only one that comes to mind would be Uber Concrete,and given how OBVIOUSLY flawed it was (the black mold on steroids sabotage Set managed- after a few months, the formula literally starts poisoning everyone who spends time near anything made of UC)- and with the additional issue of it obviously being primarily intended for military construction, that would barely counts-

    id normally...hesitantly agree with the point (if nothing else, some of the energy storage/generation tech that the power armor alone needed, would have had so many potential uses in.... EVERYWHERE- battery energy density is STILL one of the most frustrating technological brick-walls we're dealing with today- not even mentioning the biotech that went into BJ's new body, considering that literally -everything- that the resurgent germany was using was a knockoff, or directly derived from Daat yichud research)- the usage of the prime directive in star trek as an excuse to sit back and do nothing whilst people die/retroactive justification for withholding a vaccine for a disease that's wiping out an entire intelligent species, is one of my......issues with that setting....
    if..the people who jacked the archives/vaults hadn't purely used it to kill- every fruit of Strass's Reverse-engineering program was entirely focused on building better, shinier weapons- and literally nothing else- and i HATE that, in-setting, they unintentionally made the group's point for them about why they burred their research...

    the breakthroughs in robotics Strauss passed off as the fruits of his alleged genius?all of the revolutionary developments in the fields of physics, chemistry,metallurgy ,optics,MEDICAL SCIENCE- practical brain-machine interfaces built in the 60's/50's- that his various projects required, is literally NEVER shown being used for anything other then robotic combat units, or "better", shinier weapons- no... no automation for factories/farms/cleaning (MIGHT have been one-two simple cleaning robots?)- the off-planet bases were purely military facilities-for godssake they had a functioning Aerostat in Venus's atmosphere-alloys, coolant formula that made a soft-suit practical on the Venusian surface-and only built it to have a better bolthole for their pet shrieking lunatic/launch codes-
    the new energy sources, engines-LITERAL antigravity devices- purely used to bolster the military (aside from -maybe- the laser-cutter in TNO)-and it looks like this pattern continues into the 70's/80's...

    you look at all the required technology that, say- mass production of their panzerhounds/the vat-grown supersoldiers (like BJ's new body was), or the surgically-altered "mass production""ubersoldats" themselves (if nothing else, the alloys needed to make, for all intents and purposes, plate-steel armor that holds up against modern AP rounds/high-explosives AND is light enough to completely cover something that size with acceptable mobility),
    would require the development of- even in Berlin, there's... no signs of derivatives being used for practical/non-violent use- they have all these viable robot frames, and they're still using slave labor to make concrete....

    i mean, assuming we had the appropriate education/ a LOT of reference materials on hand,
    we'd look at... well- something like the Power Suit (both military and civillian applications-non-invasive mind-machine interface with tactile feedback on grip/context surfaces at the minimum, closed-cycle re-breather with hours/DAYS of endurance with no tanks, effective protection from high-level radiation, all in something that, when folded, is the size of a pair of boots, limited inertial dampening given how well BJ survived falling well over a hundred meters....), or the microminiturised reactor that serves as the final optional upgrade for the LKW, or all the applications for the knowledge/equipment needed for a functional head transplant (the MMI technology/ability to regenerate/cause nervous tissue to grow/heal), or.. or the AI they'd been using since the 40's, and....

    urgh. i think im GETTING just how frustrated how all these supervillains are making OL feel!
    there's... so many things other then a gun that all of these things make possible...
     
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  23. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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  24. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    You know what could have happened? Hitler decided to raise a family. He had a child. That means he might not have started doing quite so many drugs. Tried to be respectable in person - if insane and a bit extreme. Stopped buying into most of his own Nazi propaganda despite the facts and used it as a tool. He also had tech that made military invasion much easier. Germany might have figured out how to transport soldiers to Russia while in Cryogenic pods. This saved up on food and supplies. He also got technology to keep the marching portion of the troops warm - for example, he could have used Superman to solve logistics issues by bringing food and shelter to the troops in Russia. This allowed them to take over most of it fairly quickly, leaving some people to hold the line fairly Far East, and using Superman to find and attack hidden military installations with X-ray vision. None of England would be safe for military officers anymore and only America would be left. However, with America sitting out most of the war, it didn’t have any allies left over in Europe and entered a peace treaty with the Nazis while they consolidated power over their newly conquered territory - and later willingly joined.
     
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  25. Prince Charon

    Prince Charon Just zis guy, you know?

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    Random weird thought: One of the alternate Pauls went into politics in the Britain where he arrived, under the name Paul Eddington.
     
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    Mr Zoat

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    14th March
    14:39 GMT -5


    "Green Lantern John Stewart does indeed have dark brown skin."

    "I… See."

    "I assumed that you'd realised that whatever purges the Nazis-"

    "National Socialists."

    "-conducted on your Earth, they didn't happen here."

    "No, the negros were not purged. They were expelled from Europe-. I have not… Interacted with one before." She looks a little unsettled. "They are allowed to occupy positions of authority here?"

    "In a meritocratic society, if you can do the job then you can get the job. On this Earth, restricting someone on the grounds of their ethnic background is considered inappropriate."

    "They're just-. Allowed-." She shudders, swallowing, then nods. "I understand."

    I'm morbidly curious about how the Nazis put their racial policies into affect, but… Given that whatever I hear there's next to no chance that I'll head over to her Earth to remonstrate with the locals, I… There isn't much point in me enquiring.

    "The Justice League has several black members. Their foremost magic user is a multi-millennial African named Nommo Balewa, and if those portals are magical in nature he's your best hope of going home." She nods slowly in acknowledgement. "We don’t segregate. There's-."

    "Why not?" She frowns. "The British Empire segregated before the war. America had anti-miscegenation laws before the war…" She stills as she works it out. "The war."

    "There's nothing quite like liberating a death camp full of starving people to make a person reconsider their racial attitudes. And if you're a black man who's spent years fighting and killing in the service of your country and then they try to make you sit at the back of the bus or tell you that your marriage to the woman you met on campaign isn't valid…"

    I shrug.

    "Fascism is as unpopular here as.. I imagine Jews are where you're from."

    Her mouth opens slightly, then closes again.

    "I'm.. not Italian."

    Huh-?

    I shake my head.

    "Fascism has become a generic term for your particular brand of violent ethno-nationalism. There's basically nowhere on this Earth you can go where you can guarantee not to encounter black people. I'll ask again: can I trust you to keep yourself under control?"

    "I would rather not-." … "Yes."

    "Glad to hear it. Ring, please add Overgirl to the network."

    "Overgirl added as A Six One."

    "This way please."

    I lift myself off the floor and fly out of the medical ward. She follows-. She can fly. Interesting. Have to talk to Jor-El about what combination of human and kryptonian enables that ability, along with the heat vision.

    "Do you have teleporters?"

    "No, zeta tubes. The infrastructure requirements-" She's looking around very carefully, though these walls can switch between kryptonian-transparent and kryptonian-opaque and I know that Jor-El's set it to the latter. "-for the first few were less, and it was easier to keep building them than it was to get approval for the satellite network a teleportation system would require. I'm gradually persuading them to switch to a magic-based system. What do your people use?"

    "Assault transport ships."

    Hm. Well, if they've had kryptonian technology for sixty years… And cleared the air between their launch point and their destination, an atmospheric craft… It would be slower than a zeta tube in places that actually have tubes, but otherwise could give them a faster response time. I'd rather dismissed the idea because.. teleporters are just better, but perhaps I was wrong not to at least present a few prototypes to the League?

    I land just in front of the tube.

    "Just through here."

    I step-

    "Recognized, Orange Lantern, B Zero Six."

    14th March
    20:42 GMT +1


    -through to the outskirts of Budapest and take a moment to check our surroundings. Pretty sure that Batman has recording devices on these things…

    "Ring, sound baffle. And call the Sivanas."

    "Compliance."

    "Recognized, Overgirl, A Six One."

    Overgirl strides out of the tube-. No, marches out, and it's a mercy that she's not goose-stepping. At least she's not checking her body parts like I did. She stops and looks around for a moment as I rise into the air, then follows me as I ascend.

    "Ah. Budapest."

    "I hesitate to ask..?"

    "On my Earth this is all part of Germania. The older parts of the city are much the same. The Fuhrer was a great admirer of the civic architecture."

    "The Fatherland must be bigger. I take it that Germania is the part of the world that the Reich directly administers?"

    "Yes." She smiles. "It covers most of central and Eastern Europe, including what was once the western part of Russia. The Fatherland has never been bigger!"

    "And the former inhabitants have no further use for their territory?"

    "Those who were genetically pure had their property restored once the war in Europe was over."

    A million or so people living in Budapest at the start of the war. 'Genetically pure' meaning no more than one great grandparent who was a gypsy, Jew or Slav. Which.. means…

    No, I don't-. I've got no idea what genetic markers they were looking for, or whether or not the crazy Nazi eugenicists considered Hungarians to be Slavs or not.

    "Orange Lantern!" Ah. Papa Sivana. "Delighted to hear from you, my boy! Found something interesting for me?"

    Overgirl is looking down, using her enhanced vision to examine the city and its people.

    "A Nazi superhero from a parallel universe."

    "Earth Ten? Yes, I met my alter-ego from there once. He's a businessman. National Socialism was not good for the scientific community. And neither was cribbing all of their technology from alien databases."

    "We have a visitor from there. A portal opened in near-Earth space. Could you teleport us to you so we can discuss it?"

    "Certainly."

    Space… Cubes-.

    Notvomitingnotvomiting-.

    And I appear in Sivana's laboratory while Overgirl appears in a containment chamber, energy saws poised to dissect her!
     
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  27. Phrexia Unbound

    Phrexia Unbound Oooh...that's good.

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    Sivana really needs to sort out this issue with his teleporters.
     
  28. Citizen

    Citizen Experienced.

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    Is this going to be a thing with him?
     
  29. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    Loving this chapter.
    And i know that Paul said that he may not go to earth 10, but with how this story turns out i am pretty sure he will.
    And i can not wait to see his latest trip to another universe and how it will turn out compared to the crime syndicate one.
     
  30. rkyeun

    rkyeun Cabbitus Maximus

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    "Yes he was, krylatto. But it's rather offensive to use those kinds of terms. And if you can control your outbursts like a civilized person, so he doesn't find out you're a filthy Nazi, he might treat you as his equal."
     
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