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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Vaermina said:
You might want to go back and actually check the scale of the weapon.

And keep in mind fallout towns range from a few dozen to a few hundred people.
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You might want to actually go and look up a definition of WMD and, well, once you've done that you might want to take your own advice and-
[...]go back and actually check the scale of the weapon.

And keep in mind fallout towns range from a few dozen to a few hundred people.
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Mr Zoat said:
As the SI is British, a settlement of a few dozen people is a 'village', or possibly a 'hamlet'.
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My response was initially going to be a request a cite for those numbers not being due to hardware/software limitations then it occurred to me to request a cite on Krono using the word that way and only then did it occur to me to look up a definition of WMD and thus find that surprisingly tiny things can count. So Vaermina's point is
  • Flat wrong. But if we ignore that, its-
  • Missing a citation. But if we ignore that, its-
  • Missing another citation. But if we ignore that, its-
  • Not... particularly significant.
 
jaelin910 said:
My response was initially going to be a request a cite for those numbers not being due to hardware/software limitations then it occurred to me to request a cite on Krono using the word that way and only then did it occur to me to look up a definition of WMD and thus find that surprisingly tiny things can count. So Vaermina's point is
  • Flat wrong. But if we ignore that, its-
  • Missing a citation. But if we ignore that, its-
  • Missing another citation. But if we ignore that, its-
  • Not... particularly significant.
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If you want precise population figures then every region on Old World Blues has one.
 
I was glad to see Overgirl looks as though she's going to be OK. And, even, accepts hugs!

For some reason I was reminded, today, of a (female) super called 'Uberwench'. Written-up in the 1980s, I think, this heroically-built lady was strong, tough, flew, and highly charismatic. Was not a fan of dictators, or right-wing governments. Wore a radio set, then filed flight-plans, and followed them, for the amusement of it. And, did her best to have a good time.

(You're probably not interested, but I think she was of Prussian/Romani ancestry, and her father didn't get to say much about her conception...)

Yes, she was nothing like as tough as Overgirl, but, I think we need more heroes like that. :)
 
Chaoswind said:
So much for not killing Krona to avoid sending him to his death God friends.
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It is possible that the local reality, there, does not support souls at all, or, gives them no choice what happens after death (straight back on the reincarnation wheel?). A universe which does not support access by someone like Nekron might well be something possible for the Krona-disposal squad to find.
 
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Stsword said:
That would be the Time Trapper, in DC.

While in Blackest Night Nekron is equated to death, since it was also stated that he existed before life came to exist, I would label him the absence of life rather.
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Time Trapper is Nostalgia.

Why else would he brother to create pocket universes were Superboy Clark Kent exists?

That's also why he never wins.
 
Ace Dreamer said:
'Uberwench'
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I should not have googled that.
Idkusername said:
The first is Zatanna speaking, the other is the SI's narration. Unless Zatanna is making a mess of the pronunciation, there's a typographical error.

Edit: that's OL in the next snippet.
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Darn it. I don't remember where his name was written in the comics, and the comic websites can't agree whether it's 'Ondaate', 'Ondaatie' or 'Ondaatje'.

[A few moments later]

Ondaatie.jpg


Okay, I think I got them. Let me know if you see any more.
Chaoswind said:
Nekron is the embodiment of entropy isn't it?
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In canon, something like that. However, his exact nature hasn't been established in this story.
 
Zoat was Glorious Godfrey McCarthys priest?

Was rereading some of the first posts on SB and saw a mention of this.

This would explain some of the things that that paranoid lunatic did, he was influenced by a god of propaganda.

Though I'm pretty sure Godfrey didn't have to do that much to make McCarthy as he was, a paranoid nutjob.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
Ace Dreamer said:
'Uberwench'
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I should not have googled that.
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You must be in a really weird 'filter bubble', or something?

Apart from the Urban Dictionary definition, even if I switch to Images all I get to see is some marginal belly dancing. Maybe some (male-to-female) cross-dressing.

But, I don't login to Google unless something forces me to, certainly not before doing a search, so, don't know what effect that might have. Google can be strange... I try not to feed it too much...
 
I should probably point out to everyone crying 'bull' that Mr Zoat never actually said that the emotional spectrum didn't exist in the universe Krona got sent to. He just said that physics was different.
 
Darko said:
Zoat was Glorious Godfrey McCarthys priest?

Was rereading some of the first posts on SB and saw a mention of this.

This would explain some of the things that that paranoid lunatic did, he was influenced by a god of propaganda.
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Yes.
Ace Dreamer said:
You must be in a really weird 'filter bubble', or something?

Apart from the Urban Dictionary definition, even if I switch to Images all I get to see is some marginal belly dancing. Maybe some (male-to-female) cross-dressing.

But, I don't login to Google unless something forces me to, certainly not before doing a search, so, don't know what effect that might have. Google can be strange... I try not to feed it too much...
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I can't turn off my Safe Search, so I rarely get pleasant surprises. I got a 'larger boned' woman in a belly dancing outfit.
 
jaelin910 said:
My response was initially going to be a request a cite for those numbers not being due to hardware/software limitations then it occurred to me to request a cite on Krono using the word that way and only then did it occur to me to look up a definition of WMD and thus find that surprisingly tiny things can count. So Vaermina's point is
  • Flat wrong. But if we ignore that, its-
  • Missing a citation. But if we ignore that, its-
  • Missing another citation. But if we ignore that, its-
  • Not... particularly significant.
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Pity you focused on the wrong thing.

Because you might have almost had a point otherwise, see I never said it was the WMD label I was objecting to, because it wasn't, it was the comparison to Cerebro, you know the thing that is planetary scale.
 
Vaermina said:
Pity you focused on the wrong thing.

Because you might have almost had a point otherwise, see I never said it was the WMD label I was objecting to, because it wasn't, it was the comparison to Cerebro, you know the thing that is planetary scale.
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A) You don't make a mention of Cerebro anywhere in your post.
B) you explicitly drew parallels between the scale of the weapon and the size of settlements in Fallout.
 
Vaermina said:
And?


Actually I separated those two things.
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Vaermina said:
You might want to go back and actually check the scale of the weapon.

And keep in mind fallout towns range from a few dozen to a few hundred people.
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You kinda didn't, I can see where it would get confusing.
Without making explicit reference to Cerebro the logical conclusion would be to assume you were referring to the scale of the weapons and the size of fallout towns. It would make more sense to say "and keep in mind Cerebro affects the entire planet"

Unless sentence structure is different where you're from.
 
Duplication (part 24)
Homeward
Bound

"Thundercats?"

"Sort of. Most of the characters look different-. I can recognise most of them-"

I nod.

"-but the specifics have changed. And what little I remember of the setting appears to have been radically altered as well. What I'm living in actually makes a good deal more sense."

"How are you charging your ring?"

He raises his right hand, the two additional rings he acquired mid-fight having been returned to their owners.

"Something about the magic of Mumm-Ra's sword allows me to connect to the yellow light directly, if I meditate on my fears for long enough." He looks at me hopelessly. "I don't suppose you've got a spare yellow personal lantern lying around, have you?"

I shake my head.

"I hired the Qwardian who made Sinestro's lantern, but I haven't asked him to make me spares."

"Damn it."

He looks down, shaking his head.

"I don't know where Krona put the sword. Without it, my ring will die. I haven't spent any time learning their languages." He looks over to where Guardian Stewart and Commander Gordon are studying the tuning fork on this side, a version of me who thought that stapling wings onto his back was clever flying through the portal back to his Earth. "I'll have to ask if they've got a spare gold ring they can give me."

"I'd offer you an orange one, but I left both of mine back on my Earth." I shrug, holding up my ringless hands slightly. "Sorry." He nods. "Stupid thing is, I can make personal lanterns, too."

He looks up, frowning. "What? That's something we can do?"

"Yes. Ah, I haven't made a good one so far, but it would work."

"Damn. I didn't even try that. I just assumed that it was impossible. How exactly-?"

"Yellow!"

Time Trapper me walks towards us.

"Your turn!"

He nods. "You haven't found a sword, have you?"

"No, but fortunately I'm a massively skilled expert in temporal manipulation, which means-" He sticks out his right hand, and-. Suddenly there's a huge sword in it. "-it was in my hand in the future all along. Here."

Time Trapper hands it to Yellow, who takes it and scans it with his ring before nodding.

"Do I thank you for finding it or curse you for hiding it?"

"Most societies don't have good vocabulary for dealing with paradoxes. Though technically this stopped being a paradox as soon as I handed it to you." He looks up. "John!"

"Ah…" Yellow looks at me, clearly not quite sure what to say. "No offence meant, but let's not do this again."

"Probably for the best."

Guardian Stewart gestures and the hole above the tuning fork shifts, from Earth to another world entirely.

"Well… Goodbye."

He turns and flies, accelerating until he passes through the portal entirely.

"Thundercats. I wondered if we were limited to comics, but it sounds like we could end up anywhere."

He nods. "Do you have a moment?"

"Do I have a moment… For an expert in temporal manipulation?"

He looks away, smiling. "Yes, I-. Did you know that I'm you?"

I stare.

"No, that… Genuinely never occurred to me, given how we look completely different."

"No, not-. Most of those others were… Versions of us that ended up in different places after the event. I'm not. We're not."

"Okay, then… What are we?"

"We're separated by an alteration in the timeline. Vandal Savage went back, and… Long story short, you got erased, I got created, then I restored your timeline."

"Ah, thank.. you..? That seems out of character for us."

He shakes his head. "My temporality was unstable. It would have collapsed eventually. This way I got a chance to recreate it, to change things-."

"If you're planning on changing time back-."

"No. If it would work, I'd do it. We both know that. It wouldn't work. Time won't allow it. Even…" He looks around. "Here, pseudo time can't support that much space. No, Krona-."

"Took your plan to an extreme when you tried to get his help."

He frowns. "Something like that. How did you guess?"

"The one of us who freed you?" I pull an orange power ring out of my pocket and slide it onto my left ring finger. "He picked up a third ring. And downloaded images of you cooperating with Krona from a Manhunter. Sensible fellow."

He looks away, shaking his head. "You'd think a Guardian would practise basic data security."

"So. What now?"

"So I use the tuning fork and the similarities and.. differences between us to create… Do you remember 'hypertime'?"

"I remember the name."

"Essentially, I change the-. The parallel universe cluster we all exist in so that time changes beyond a certain level create a new timeline, rather than erasing the old one. Both our timelines will exist, and we can both go home."

"What's the risk?"

"I could horribly fuck up all of everything. Particularly if you try and stop me." He exhales. "I was hoping that you wouldn't have a ring."

So he could present me with a fait accompli.

"And what happens if I help you?"

"I-. That… Might make things easier. Certainly… Safer. Would-? Would you?"

"Of course." I shrug. "You're only doing what I'd do in your place."
 
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