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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

This should probably go without saying but I really do not like what we've seen of nazi-earth barring Overman and Angelika, and I'm starting to worry that Paul is going to live and let live once this whole demon-earth thing is sorted out instead of doing anything or even helping his poor alternate who ended up stuck there.

Somebody just liked this comment from way back in 2021, which I'm taking as an excuse to bring the subject back up, particularly since the plot-line is most definitely resolved. Or at least relegated to ticking away in the background for the indefinite future...

Insofar as I can tell, when we last left the nazi-timeline, it had mostly returned to it's incredibly awful status quo with the slight exceptions that..

Overgirl had realized nazism was bad.

One of their speedsters was making occasional trips into the YJ dimension to meet up with Flash.

And Overman had gotten the local Paul alternate out of horrible nazi torture prison, declared him his friend... pssibly gotten him a job as a journalist? And given him a "summon Overman via inaudible-to-humans distress signal wristwatch". Turning him into something along the lines of Jimmy Olson to my understanding.

So, you know, maybe nazi-earth is being slightly guided in a positive direction. But the thing that gets me is that as far as I can tell, local-Paul was left there with no ring, no other powers, and no protection or ability to affect change or protect himself aside from the nominal shield and source of influence that is "Overman likes this guy and is keeping an eye on him."

My first big question is, did Paul somehow just never find out he had a local alternate in that dimension who had met a horrible fate? Because I cannot imagine him just being abandoned there otherwise. If nothing else, he would present a fascinating opportunity to do something along the lines of what they did with Xor. Bring him over, give him a new ring, and have him train with Paul until he reaches the level of competence at which he can go back and start affecting change on nazi-earth with minimal risk, and while he's training the corps gets all kinds of data on how Paul's earliest training may have looked.
 
That article says his full name is
In-story information
Full name Nathaniel Christopher "Nate" Adams
Apparently there is a Charleston comics version that's named Allen Adam but he doesn't appear to have metal "skin"
The Wikipedia article said:
he is an Air Force pilot named Nathaniel Adam, who was a test subject in a scientific experiment
This modern captain's name is established as Nathaniel Christopher Adam
Adam had been framed for a crime and was,
As an alternative to execution, Adam was "asked" to participate
The weapon went off and Adam was seemingly disintegrated.
Eighteen years later, Adam suddenly reappeared.
Bonded with the metal, Nathaniel Adam now had powers
second husband of Adam's now-deceased wife Angela.
that Nathaniel Adam died the day
charges against Adam to blackmail
And so on. As far as I can see, every entry in the body of the article calls him 'Adam'.

But more importantly:

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My first big question is, did Paul somehow just never find out he had a local alternate in that dimension who had met a horrible fate?

I can't recall completely, but I'm fairly certain the Illustres found out about his local version but was too busy with the Hell Earth crisis and then... I don't know, maybe forgot about him? Point is, he did left the poor fellow high and dry. I remember having that as my last thought for that arc.

That article says his full name is
In-story information
Full name Nathaniel Christopher "Nate" Adams
Apparently there is a Charleston comics version that's named Allen Adam but he doesn't appear to have metal "skin"

From what I can see, that's actually the only place where "Adams" shows up. Everywhere else on that page says 'Adam'.
Wikipedia says said:
Nathaniel Christopher Adam as Captain Atom, as he appeared on the cover of Secret Origins #34 (December 1988), art by Ty Templeton and Jerry Ordway.
Wikipedia says said:
A new Post-Crisis version of the character was introduced in March 1987 with the launch of a monthly comic written by Cary Bates (long-time writer of The Flash and Superman), co-written by Greg Weisman and drawn by Pat Broderick.[6]
This modern captain's name is established as Nathaniel Christopher Adam, a United States Air Force officer and Vietnam War veteran.

EDIT: Well, Mr Zoat already showed it.
 
Illustres had a conversation with Overman about how his local variant wasn't allowed to keep the ring (and thus none of the Earth 10 locals knew that orange rings users can see desire with practice) and Overgirl was upset that Overman didn't tell her about him (Paul Freeman showed up before Overgirl was shunted to Earth 14).

That's the last we heard of him (presumably he's still writing his own column in the paper)
 
She was deposited on the ground, and snuck away to try and work out how telephones work so that she could contact Diana
Wonder how her version of retelling these events will come out.
"Diana ! An vile alien Warlord has come to assemble a team of heroes uplifted from this world's downtrodden to fight his eviler father!"
But the thing that gets me is that as far as I can tell, local-Paul was left there with no ring, no other powers,
He has a ring but no power source and their experienced combatants took his ring as I recall.
 
He has a ring but no power source and their experienced combatants took his ring as I recall.

I remembered that much, yeah. Him having shown up with the ring was a contributor to how he wound up in nazi prison being regularly beaten and otherwise abused. It was either destroyed or just ran out of power and either way he no longer has it.
 
I remembered that much, yeah. Him having shown up with the ring was a contributor to how he wound up in nazi prison being regularly beaten and otherwise abused. It was either destroyed or just ran out of power and either way he no longer has it.
Ah, no. It comes up later. Despite his warnings about the deleterious mental effects they try to have one of their own proper Germans weild the ring with failures. Enough that they just stopped trying. Don't think they let him have it back though.

Also when our Paul shows up they weren't surprised the Ring was still wearable. They just assumed he stole it and showed his true colors.
Pun wasn't intended.
 
Justice Segue (part 9)
BOOM!

17th November 2017
15:35 GMT +8


"Tenzin Cering!" I stride through the portal into the Chinese black site, and because I know that the Chinese are a bit more on the ball with summary executions that the Americans I've come out next to his cell and disarmed the soldiers on guard. No, not soldiers. Some sort of Chinese K.G.B. types? They were armed, anyway, and now they're not. "I'm looking for Tenzin Cering!"

"I am here."

One of the guards lunges for the wall-mounted alarm, and gets sonic blasted by Subjekt-17 until his bones fracture. He falls to the ground with a quiet, high-pitched moan.

"Auuuhhhhauuuuuuhaaauuuhhhh…"​

The other guard runs at me and punches me in the-. In the groin armour, and promptly breaks his fingers. He pulls back, shielding it as he tries to work out what to do next.

"Funny thing. Prior to the Tiananmen Square Massacre, the Chinese Communist Party tried to restore order using local army units. But confronted by people handing them flowers, some of whom they knew personally, they weren't prepared to break heads in the way the Party wanted. So they pulled them out and sent in soldiers from rural areas, as indoctrinated as they could find, who wouldn't have those sort of normal human hang-ups about killing peaceful, unarmed people."

I rip the cell door out of the wall and chuck it down the corridor.

"So I'm curious. How much violence have you two been dolling out to defenceless prisoners? Subjekt Seventeen?"

"A great deal."

"A great deal." I bow my head and wave my right hand from Subjekt 17 to the guard. "Oh dear. Then do as you-."

"No." Mr. Tenzin limps out of his cell, face swollen. "Do them no violence. Please."

"Really? I mean, I understand that you're a Buddhist, but I think that a little corrective chastisement might, you know, burn off a little karmic debt?"

"You are here to free me?"

"Free you and load your head with your past life memories."

"Then violence against these people would only be retribution. It would serve no greater purpose." He leans against a wall to steady himself. "Though if you have an aspirin, I would not be averse to receiving it."

Subjekt-17 takes hold of the guard who is still standing and slams him against the wall. Hard enough to severely injure him, not hard enough to kill him.

Mr. Tenzin looks at the fallen guard in concern, then at Subjekt-17. I shake my head. "He's had a rough seventy years. Does the 'no violence' thing extend to Gods of Evil?"

"It does not extend to humans. I try to limit unnecessary violence, but it is not an absolute prohibition." He looks down the corridor. "Please. There are many other prisoners here."

I take a purple healing ray out of subspace and hand it over to him. "Point it at yourself and pull the trigger to heal your injuries. What are the other prisoners in for?"

"This is a prison for political prisoners. Some of them may have committed normal crimes-."

"If you were guilty, there are a thousand prisons in China where they would lock you away." I sigh. "Fine. I-."

"What?" Subjekt-17 glowers at me. "What does he ask?"

"Humans are so evil, Subjekt-17, that they sometimes treat other humans as Subjekts. These human Subjekts want us to help them escape. Do you think we can do that?"

He looks around, the-

Someone in the guard post finally looks at their camera screen and activates the alarm.

-telepathic portions of his brain activating as he takes in our environment. "Such cruelty. Disgusting. Keep them away from me."

I nod. Ugh. I need to get Mr. Tenzin powered up myself, Subjekt-17 isn't interested in rescuing people and Queen Hippolyta isn't bullet-resistant. I'll have to interrupt Captain Adam, which is poor form, but I think he might appreciate something morally unambiguous.

Mother Box, boom tube.

BOOM.

Pin-

Captain Adam flies backwards through the hole and slams into the wall!

-g.

"Ah, are you alright?"

He straightens himself up. "I'm not hurt. I was handling the invisible guy, then someone hit me from behind."

"Can I assume that your training focused on aircraft more than infantry combat?"

"That's fair." He looks around. "Where are we?"

"Chinese political prison. Please break everyone out and send them through-"

BOOM!

"-that boom tube. Allies of mine will have food and medical aid waiting."

"China-. Are you crazy? Even Nixon didn't-."

"You're a man made of silver. As long as you don't tell anyone your name, I don't see how anyone can trace it to anywhere. I speak with an English accent and I'm an alien. And you can't tell me that they don't have it coming."

Mr. Tenzin has finished with the healing ray, so I grab it off him and hand it to Mr. Adam.

"This is an anti-gun. It makes people healthy by shooting them."

"That-. That doesn't make sense."

"If you want to make it an actual ray gun there's a dial on the side." He checks, and avoids touching it. "That's a bit superfluous for you, but I understand if you have a childish desire to play with a death ray."

"Healing ray gun. Sure, why not. How many people?"

Looks like… "Thirty eight."

The door to the next cell along vanishes in a flare of purple. "On it."

I nod. "Mister Tenzin, where do we need to take you?"

"Tibet. My father's temple."

Sinestro, scan for his father.

There is a slight issue there, Lantern.

What? Oh, no. Of course. The Chinese have their own candidate. No matter that forcing past life memories into some random arsehole will at best do nothing, with permanent mental damage being the intermediate result, I don't want a Party-approved arsehole getting those powers. Though that's almost certainly why they left his father outside of prison himself.

I armour Mr. Tenzin and open a new boom tube.

BOOM!

"Please, as little violence-."

Subjekt-17 walks through ahead of me, and I shrug.

"No promise."
 
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Ahh, the guy that was supposed to be the seventeenth Accomplished Perfect Physician.

These human Subjekts

"This human Subjekt"

That's a bit superfluous for you, but I understand if you have a childish desire to play with a death ray."

Ohh, like you never said pew pew nouses when you used it.

"Healing ray gun. Sure, why not

Embrace the madness.


"that"
 
BOOM!

17th November 2017
15:35 GMT +8


"Tenzin Cering!" I stride through the portal into the Chinese black site, and because I know that the Chinese are bit more on the ball with summary executions that the Americans I've come out next to his cell and disarmed the soldiers on guard. No, not soldiers. Some sort of Chinese K.G.B. types? They were armed, anyway, and now they're not. "I'm looking for Tenzin Cering!"
Ah, the true Accomplished Perfect Physician. The man Yao Fei inadvertently killed before taking his place in atonement. And their sonic-based powers will probably synergise quite well with Seventeen's.

"I am here."

One of the guards lunges for the wall-mounted alarm, and gets sonic blasted by Subjekt-17 until his bones fracture. He falls to the ground with a quiet, high-pitched moan.
Ow. And he's not even unconscious from the impact...

"Auuuhhhhauuuuuuhaaauuuhhhh…"​

The other guard runs at me and punches me in the-. In the groin armour, and promptly breaks his fingers. He pulls back, shielding it as he tries to work out what to do next.
...Good sense and brave, even if trying to nutshot the giant grey man probably wasn't the smartest idea.

"Funny thing. Prior to the Tiananmen Square Massacre, the Chinese Communist Party tried to restore order using local army units. But confronted by people handing them flowers, some of whom they knew personally, they weren't prepared to break heads in the way the Party wanted. So they pulled them out and sent in soldiers from rural areas, as indoctrinated as they could find, who wouldn't have those sort of normal human hang-ups about killing peaceful, unarmed people."
...Controversial indeed. Still, it was a logical, if utterly callous move.

I rip the cell door out of the wall and chuck it down the corridor.

"So I'm curious. How much violence have you two been dolling out to defenceless prisoners? Subjekt Seventeen?"
Joy of having a mind reader handy.

"A great deal."

"A great deal." I bow my head and wave my right hand from Subjeck 17 to the guard. "Oh dear. Then do as you-."
Time for some judicious ultra-violence, eh? I bet Sev's happy...

"No." Mr. Tenzin limps out of his cell, face swollen. "Do them no violence. Please."

"Really? I mean, I understand that you're a Buddhist, but I think that a little corrective chastisement might, you know, burn off a little karmic debt?"
...Ah, spoiled by the man of peace. Also, I'm not sure Sev doing some chastisement will taint your karma much, sir monk...

"You are here to free me?"

"Free you and load your head with your past life memories."
In other words, empowering a new ally. And a potential super-hero.

"Then violence against these people would only be retribution. It would serve no greater purpose." He leans against a wall to steady himself. "Though if you have an aspirin, I would not be averse to receiving it."

Subjekt-17 takes hold of the guard who is still standing and slams him against the wall. Hard enough to severely injure him, not hard enough to kill him.
Ah, Sev saying 'fuck Karma', eh? I'm sure the fellow deserved it, but show some teamwork, Sev...

Mr. Tenzin looks at the fallen guard in concern, then at Subjekt-17. I shake my head. "He's had a rough seventy years. Does the 'no violence' thing extend to Gods of Evil?"

"It does not extend to humans. I try to limit unnecessary violence, but it is not an absolute prohibition." He looks down the corridor. "Please. There are many other prisoners here."
I get the feeling master Tenzin will be having quite a few moral quandaries about working with the Renegade...

I take a purple healing ray out of subspace and hand it over to him. "Point it at yourself and pull the trigger to heal your injuries. What are the other prisoners in for?"

"This is a prison for political prisoners. Some of them may have committed normal crimes-."
At least master Tenzin should find this sort of thing much more palatable.

"If you were guilty, there are a thousand prisons in China where they would lock you away." I sigh. "Fine. I-."

"What?" Subjekt-17 glowers at me. "What does he ask?"
Well, that was an unexpected literary reference there. And probably quite appropriate.

"Humans are so evil, Subjekt-17, that they sometimes treat other humans as Subjekts. These human Subjekts want us to help them escape. Do you think we can do that?"

He looks around, the-
Not a lot of compassion for humans? Get used to it, Sev, you're stuck with them for now.

Someone in the guard post finally looks at their camera screen and activates the alarm.

-telepathic portions of his brain activating as he takes in our environment. "Such cruelty. Disgusting. Keep them away from me."
So, not interested? And he can't even work off some of that annoyance with the deserving guards...

I nod. Ugh. I need to get Mr. Tenzin powered up myself, Subjekt-17 isn't interested in rescuing people and Queen Hippolyta isn't bullet-resistant. I'll have to interrupt Captain Adam, which is poor form, but I think he might appreciate something morally unambiguous.

Mother Box, boom tube.
Honestly, I think he might appreciate the break.

BOOM.

Pin-

Captain Adam flies backwards through the hole and slams into the wall!

-g.
"Good timing, it looks like." Quite the entrance. J'onn proving tougher than expected?

"Ah, are you alright?"

He straightens himself up. "I'm not hurt. I was handling the invisible guy, then someone hit me from behind."
To be fair, that could easily have been the invisible guy. But then, I doubt he's had any experience of telekinesis.

"Can I assume that your training focused on aircraft more than infantry combat?"

"That's fair." He looks around. "Where are we?"
Don't worry, Nate, you'll get the hang of super-heroic fights quickly enough.

"Chinese political prison. Please break everyone out and send them through-"

BOOM!

"-that boom tube. Allies of mine will have food and medical aid waiting."
No doubt Nate's wondering who these allies are, but he'll soon meet them for himself.

"China-. Are you crazy? Even Nixon didn't-."

"You're a man made of silver. As long as you don't tell anyone your name, I don't see how anyone can trace it to anywhere. I speak with an English accent and I'm an alien. And you can't tell me that they don't have it coming."
Ironically, Nixon did go to China. But I suppose Nate didn't exactly get the daily paper where he was... :p

Mr. Tenzin has finished with the healing ray, so I grab it off him and hand it to Mr. Adam.

"This is an anti-gun. It makes people healthy by shooting them."
An ironic way to put it, but entirely accurate.

"That-. That doesn't make sense."

"If you want to make it an actual ray gun there's a dial on the side." He checks, and avoids touching it. "That's a bit superfluous for you, but I understand if you have a childish desire to play with a death ray."
What boy of the fifties didn't? :p

"Healing ray gun. Sure, why not. How many people?"

Looks like… "Thirty eight."
Not a lot. Then again, that might only be this block...

The door to the next cell along vanishes is a flare of purple. "On it."

I nod. "Mister Tenzin, where do we need to take you?"

"Tibet. My father's temple."
Another political hot spot. Making quite the whistlestop tour, Renegade.

Sinestro, scan for his father.

There is a slight issue there, Lantern.
...Let me guess, someone else being forced to undergo the process?

What? Oh, no. Of course. The Chinese have their own candidate. No matter than forcing past life memories into some random arsehole will at best do nothing, with permanent mental damage being the intermediate result, I don't want a Party-approved arsehole getting those powers. Though that's almost certainly why they left his father outside of prison himself.

I armour Mr. Tenzin and open a new boom tube.
Which raises the question of what other super-humans they have sitting around, ready to make use of in this universe?

BOOM!

"Please, as little violence-."
It will be at a temple, after all.

Subjekt-17 walks through ahead of me, and I shrug.

"No promise."
...Hoo boy. :oops:

:rolleyes: Ah, complications. What plan can't they mess up? Let's hope they haven't reached the point of no return in the empowerment process, so they can at least sub in Tenzin. Sadly, I have the feeling the current recipient isn't Yao Fei, who would at least be reasonable about these things. Which will probably result in a super-powered fight. So, get your popcorn ready. :D
 
Hm. The links seems to have been changed from 1d4chan to 2d4chan, but it still isn't working.
You can force it to go to 2d4chan, the issue is that it's a mirror that's flagging with 1d4chan's credentials. Root is unfortunately still MIA and at this point I don't think it matters even if he does come back.

That being said, Meat Cube was a success so 1d6chan is now operational and editable.

Games Workshop on 1d6.
 
You can force it to go to 2d4chan, the issue is that it's a mirror that's flagging with 1d4chan's credentials. Root is unfortunately still MIA and at this point I don't think it matters even if he does come back.

That being said, Meat Cube was a success so 1d6chan is now operational and editable.

Games Workshop on 1d6.
Reports indicate Root took it down on purpose because he didn't like the effect the memey pages had on the 40k fandom.
 
"This human Subjekt"
No, that's correct. There are plenty of other people in the prison who want to escape.
If this is Grayven internally asking Sinestro to scan, no need for an ending quotation mark.
That should say 'in'.
Thank you, corrected.
Hm. The links seems to have been changed from 1d4chan to 2d4chan, but it still isn't working.
Works for me. Anyone else?
 
Reports indicate Root took it down on purpose because he didn't like the effect the memey pages had on the 40k fandom.
Possibly? I still haven't seen anything official for that and the biggest reason Meat Cube went ahead was just how Root was utterly unresponsive to inquiries from the actual editors.

Anyways, I guess it's neither here nor there. There is an editable iterations running off of the most up to date backup they had while the original site is non-responsive and the mirror is non-editable.


Edit: My bad, I think I see the confusion. Root did have 1d4chan delisted from google so it wouldn't populate in the search results but that was years ago. If he intended to offline it permanently since he went MIA, then that's his prerogative but no one's heard from him in 4+ months.

Regardless, there's a functional iteration that is being maintained, can be edited and doesn't have certification problems that make browsers freak out.
 

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