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Theo Anders and the Black Exaltation[Worm/Exalted][Hiatus]

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Skitzyfrenic said:
Father and son. Son is dead. -cue surprise and the wide eyed look. 'How is son dead?'
Father killed son. Son gained power. Son alive. 'How does he feel about that, was he suicidal beforehand?'
Son wants to overthrow father. Father is in organized crime. Son dead. Did not want to die. 'Which organized crime? Probably E88'
Father leads E88. Father is Kaiser. Son wants to take E88 over. Son alive. 'Is the son a Nazi?'
Son killed during Father's temper tantrum during ideological argument. Has conservative/meritocratic leanings, but not Nazi. Son dead. 'Stop telling me he's dead. He's obviously alive.'
Son is alive. Son is Dead. Son's powers themed around the dead, death, dying, afterlife. 'He's a trump?'
Not parahuman. Son alive and dead at same time. 'Not parahuman?! ... Would he work with me?'
Wants to overthrow E88 to have own powerbase. Son alive. Deals and oaths important. Son dead.

'I could technically become a part of that power base by choice. Helping him overthrow his father, and he'd probably be willing to return the favor with killing Coil. I might be able to swing a deal.'

The above was the basic process, probably with a few more steps and more targeted questions but that's the general gist of it.
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A bit much for bullshit deductions, but let's be honest: her power has never really been limited to that. I also doubt her shard would tell her some of the details, but it could be acting oddly around TDP. Regardless, that doesn't really matter because she didn't need that extra detail for the initial stage of her plan.

Skitzyfrenic said:
I'm off to bed atm. I'll think on it. But I had been thinking train then buy, so xp doesn't get tied up if something immediate needs to get bought. And wouldn't mind hearing some thoughts.
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This is especially true for raising attributes. There is some minor potential for abuse,

SwiftRosenthal said:
3) Homebrew submission: Revlid's crafting and genesis/mutation revisions. They're popular, comprehensive, and designed to work together, and Revlid has a reputation for making good homebrew in general.
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I doubt we'll be doing any crafting ourselves, but some of this might be useful when we get our crafter/necromancer/whatever.

Skitzyfrenic said:
Revlid makes good stuff. I have a lot of his infernal stuff open in my browser. I haven't checked either of those out surprisingly. I'll give them a looksee in the evening tomorrow.
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If we ever end up getting a sorcerer/necromancer, you might look at the 3E

SwiftRosenthal said:
I personally want Redemption (-> PPE) and this is the kind of thing that we can't take back. (con)
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Why? You're simply trading one damnation for another. If you want that, just learn its Abyssal mirror. If you don't, there is nothing that a Primordial can do that a Solar cannot do better.
 
Hn. How do we turn this into a good impression while holding standing with dad? Can't be too smooth nice guys give her skives. Sputter abit

Maybe buy up Socialize just to be clear.
 
Anasurimbor said:
Why? You're simply trading one damnation for another. If you want that, just learn its Abyssal mirror. If you don't, there is nothing that a Primordial can do that a Solar cannot do better.
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PPE requires Solar Sorcery, which Abyssals can't get (because they have Void Necromancy instead). There is no mirror.

Primordials - I'm assuming that you're assuming that we would naturally go Devil-Tiger from there, because at that point why not - do have advantages over Solars. They don't die, for one. For two... the way I learned it, the general rule is that Yozi charms are more powerful in their specialties than Solar charms, while the latter are weaker but more widely applicable. That's at least meant to be balanced. Of note are some mechanics that Finagle homebrewed for Solars-turned-Devil-Tiger for his SI and the relevant posts above and below it; the usual disclaimers apply of course.

However, the quest is likely to die long before we reach E5 or Redemption, and there's no way it'll last long enough for both, GttMH, all three Sorcery qualifications, PPE, the long climb to THotDT, and whatever TDP gets into on the Earth Bet side of things. It's a purely academic goal until we achieve one of the first two, so the most important factor is, "Is it narratively interesting?" IMO, it would be.
 
[X] Call her right now and ask if she has a dress

Because freckles. Also because what better way to take over the E88 than bringing in people with no ties to the existing command structure.

From a more meta perspective, we know what Lisa can do. From what Skitzy said in the spoiler, we know the shard works on TDP. She's incredibly useful.

and she's le cute.
 
[jk] Touch vulpine tail.

[X] Call her right now and ask if she has a dress.

SwiftRosenthal said:
Primordials - I'm assuming that you're assuming that we would naturally go Devil-Tiger from there, because at that point
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Uh.

Maybe we ought to survive all the way through Essence 5 before we pick a specific immortal transcendence.
 
[X] Shoot her a quick email from your smartphone to open a dialogue
 
[X] Shoot her a quick email from your smartphone to open a dialogue
-[X] "So tell me cutey how do you think we can help one another? Beyond the obvious of course. ;)"
[X] Purchases
-[X] Spend 4 XP to get Stamina 2
-[X] Spend 3 Xp to get Sabah Native Language Family. Arabic i think?



Lagnauges need for coverage. Chinese and Japanese if we can't get them as one. English or rather all of Germanics if we can. Sabah's family. Romance Languages if we can do that sort of thing. That's pretty much everyhting where god gives a damn in worm. . And old realm I guess.

Wait just notice. The training time are kinda unpossible for worm. She's too compressed. Months to build stamina when all of canon to alexandria is like three months.


[X]Deflect
-[X]" Mr. Johan it's ungentlemanly to put a lady on the spot like that. ", you say sweeping in abashed with a subtle look you try to convey' old people what can you do? '
 
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Larekko12 said:
Wait just notice. The training time are kinda unpossible for worm. She's too compressed. Months to build stamina when all of canon to alexandria is like three months.
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That's Wildbow's fault for being bad at pacing. I don't think Skitzy would willingly make the same mistake.

I also don't think we're actually voting on how to react to the Sabah situation yet. It's just Lisa and XP, and until Skitzy makes a decision on training vs. purchases we should probably focus on stuff that trains immediately: WP, Caste/Favored abilities, Virtues.
 
SwiftRosenthal said:
What options do Solaroids have for turning spirits into mortals, while maintaining continuity of consciousness?
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That's generally a downgrade, so why would you want to? Regardless, an Ambition 2 Solar working should be able to do that. Perfectly restoring a ghost into a mortal does clash against setting conceits though, so expect them to at a minimum be changed by the experience.

Really, you're probably better off fixing the emotional limitations that ghosts have. Maybe jam in the power of a third circle demon while you're at it.

SwiftRosenthal said:
PPE requires Solar Sorcery, which Abyssals can't get (because they have Void Necromancy instead). There is no mirror.
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Well, there is an implied hypothetical mirror. Whether it would actually be usable is a separate question, but I tend to think that it would, because the alternative is boring.

SwiftRosenthal said:
Primordials - I'm assuming that you're assuming that we would naturally go Devil-Tiger from there, because at that point why not - do have advantages over Solars. They don't die, for one.
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Functional immortality is relatively trivial at that point. Abyssals also get it for free. Why change? We don't even have the horrifying default resonance rules.

SwiftRosenthal said:
For two... the way I learned it, the general rule is that Yozi charms are more powerful in their specialties than Solar charms, while the latter are weaker but more widely applicable.
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That might be true at low levels, but not so much at the high end. Solars do have certain thematic limitations, but that's what sorcery is for.

SwiftRosenthal said:
However, the quest is likely to die long before we reach E5 or Redemption, and there's no way it'll last long enough for both, GttMH, all three Sorcery qualifications, PPE, the long climb to THotDT, and whatever TDP gets into on the Earth Bet side of things.
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Very true. For now we should just worry about simple things like making friends, playing with swords, cute girls, and patricide.
 
Marthis said:
I have only a cursory knowledge of charms and excellencies. Mostly because there are a shit ton of them. So i bow to your superior wisdom. Whatever allows me to have my interracial bisexual Nazi harem of eugenic goodness.
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FTFY! :p We SHALL seduce Lily/Sabah somehow someway and add Alec/Aisha/Sophia to our harem as well :D
 
Larekko12 said:
Yeah. No. The Dark prince is jealous. There shall be but one dick in this relationship. And that is his. Beside Alec's been way too many places for comfort without Am.y.
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pfft Max Anders is a Nazi, Nazi's hate homosexuals and "race traitors" so having Alec as a member of our harem will piss him off and plus another dick will help us with making our girls feel better during sex like with DP and spitroasting
Biigoh said:
Emma Barnes as well? :3
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Hmmm well having a Divorce Lawyer in our pocket is always useful and Emma's got a great figure so why not? Heck if we fix her issues that means we get to make a Sexual (mental) healing joke :p
 
1986ctcel said:
pfft Max Anders is a Nazi, Nazi's hate homosexuals and "race traitors" so having Alec as a member of our harem will piss him off and plus another dick will help us with making our girls feel better during sex like with DP and spitroasting
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There is such a thing as going too far to piss off daddy. Alec is that far.
Theo is straight as a arrow and doesn't do curved sword.
 
Anasurimbor I was pretty sure I'd played up her power. Really just used it as a plot device to get them to meet.

If I do well it should get toned down for other things or take.more time to come to the correct.conclusions. or close to the correct conclusions. She can be wrong and I intend to go through a few charms to piece together how her power will actually function.
 
Yes you are just voting on Lisa and XP. You can write in what to say/write to Lisa.

Johann is an old timey fascist a type personality and his opening move was basically perfect. we get pulled into his pace. You are there to get a suit and maybe a few other things. Which also dictates a few things. You have to get that suit, johann and max have to talk. Sabah has to earn her paycheck.

You'll find out why Sabah is there and get some fitting done in the next snip. Plus some stuff about Sabah that will lead into the next vote.

On another note I figured out how to how to use invisible text.
 
[X] Shoot her a quick email from your smartphone to open a dialogue
 
Anasurimbor said:
That's generally a downgrade, so why would you want to? Regardless, an Ambition 2 Solar working should be able to do that. Perfectly restoring a ghost into a mortal does clash against setting conceits though, so expect them to at a minimum be changed by the experience.

Really, you're probably better off fixing the emotional limitations that ghosts have. Maybe jam in the power of a third circle demon while you're at it.
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That sounds like it could go entertainingly wrong. Count me in.

Well, there is an implied hypothetical mirror. Whether it would actually be usable is a separate question, but I tend to think that it would, because the alternative is boring.
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Point. The hypothetical mirror would open Neverborn charms though, not Yozi charms, and every aspect of those, from details on each Neverborn to themes to general and specific charm trees, would need to be homebrewed from scratch. Not worth it IMO.

Functional immortality is relatively trivial at that point. Abyssals also get it for free. Why change? We don't even have the horrifying default resonance rules.
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Better reasons:

a) Glory to the Most High forces you to eat tons and tons of Limit if you want to use it for actual long-term training. Ascendancy Mantles have much more passive tradeoffs, Cecelyne's has no drawback on a highly-populated world with religious freedom, and only TED's is truly crippling wait, shit, those are all Native. Never mind.
b) Devil-Tigers can't get (Yozi) Cosmic Principle, though (Yozi)-Body Unity and Eternal Essence are not blocked and perhaps they could define their own versions of all three and an Ascendancy Mantle anyway? Really not sure about this.

That might be true at low levels, but not so much at the high end. Solars do have certain thematic limitations, but that's what sorcery is for.
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It's actually explicitly discussed in the Infernals splat:
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Overall, Infernal Charms tend to be roughly equal in power to Solar or Abyssal Charms requiring the same minimum Essence, though they are often more specialized and more potent within that specialization to compensate. As the minimum Essence of these Charms rises, they focus more on reshaping reality and performing "big picture" effects closer to sorcery or the upper reaches of Sidereal Martial Arts than Lawgiver Charms. The Yozis themselves approach omnipotence within the bounds of their themes and associations, exceeding the Incarnae in raw mystical power. Though the Unconquered Sun could probably defeat a Yozi in single combat if unconstrained by the divine geas, he can't do things like birth a new world, erase entire swaths of existence in a single blow or lay a death curse horrific enough to corrupt his enemies and their successors to the end of time. In spite of their cosmic power, Yozis remain vulnerable to those who can understand and exploit the imperfections of their natures as the Exalted did during the Primordial War.
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Considering that a properly-fluffed Devil-Tiger's theme is "Being oneself," that's not a major limitation.

Very true. For now we should just worry about simple things like making friends, playing with swords, cute girls, and patricide.
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Yes, let's.
 
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