With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

5th March 2011
Earth's Orangest Hero
13th June 2011
Earth's Orangest Hero
22nd August 2011
Authority (supplementary, Earth's Mightiest Lantern)

 

Ah. I meant the Marvel version.

EDIT: Found one!

 

Oh, thank you Zoat! I guess the Hela stuff hasn’t happened on screen. Shame, that sounds like it’d be really interesting.

 

Actually while Zoat is of course free to not include that since it was never shown in the cartoon, but in the comics the Norn Stones are in fact not of Asgardian manufacture.

They're Celestial.

So if Zoat is using that then he's using artifacts made by Space Gods to empower his artifact made by Aliens Who Might As Well Be Gods. Which I find quite appropriate.

Which reminds me, in the X-Men 92 continuation comic of the cartoon, the Celestials are the step of evolution after mutants (the Celestials evolved from the M'Krann as in the M'Krann Crystal), which is why a rogue Celestial was coming to wipe out Earth before humans evolve into New Celestials. To fight him they use the Darkhold to turn everyone into a mutant. So Earth had 5.453 billion mutants to protect it.

Looking at how MGH works, it would seem that a superhuman made into a mutant would just become more powerful, maybe gain new power thematic to what they already have. So like mutant Spider-Man would probably be faster, stronger, maybe gain organic webbing or telepathic spider communication, that sort of thing.

So what mutant power should X-Men Paul get in that hypothetical?

 

For the life of me I cannot find any mention of Hela before this. How did you know?!

EDIT: huh

 

Gotta say "I'm dating Hela" has probably stopped a lot of people in their tracks. Probably even Loki

...was Paul just being nice to Janet and Janet played as if it was flirting because Hank was ignoring her too much for his work?

Still, Paul the multiversal matchmaker

 

I doubt it.

He and Hela seemed to have started dating after the final battle with Loki, so Loki may be too busy being snake food to know about it.

Paul is terrible with women so it's possible that he did some nice things for her but was unaware that they would seem to have a romantic nature, so people mistook it for him flirting with her.

 

And this.

Partly. Also, he asked for her help with Anna Marie because she was female and a mutant, so they ended up spending a lot of time together.

 

How does Thor being a Norse god work in Marvel? I’m only really familiar with the MCU and it doesn’t come up as far as I can remember. Is there a resurgence of faith due to his existence being proven, or is there no difference because people know he’s just an alien, and not particularly inclined to helping worshippers?

 

The series was very careful to refer to him as 'the Prince of Thunder'.

 

In Marvel 2099 The Church of Thor was a major thing.

But generally, and I'd say pretty realistically, there are people who believe him and people who don't.

I imagine more people believe when things like Asgard becoming a city in the state of OK happen.

 

That should say 'Anna'.

 

I’m sorry what?

 

Thank you, corrected.

The traditional kind, not the poly kind.

 

Yeah, kinda what I meant by the 'Paul was nice' bit. Paul did nice things, and Janet might have played it up a bit ala that episode with Captain Mar-vell.

Makes perfect sense. It would also give Hank a more solid reason to be suspicious.

 

"talked"

So did he use that ritual to separate himself?

"looks"

 

Ok I am now confused who John Quinn is.

 

Since when does Dr Balewa talk like Boris and Natasha?

 

They're saying that...Quin Isn't an alternate universe John here....they think, but another Golem, much like demon Constantine started as.

That....makes some sense since we really didn't hear anything from John about alternative universes, something that Paul got a lot of experience with these days.

So...John tries and fails to contain both order and chaos, and splits the load between himself and a golem duplicate....but the Dub that got Order figures that John's not exactly the best person to leave that kinda power with and double crosses him, locks him in the Tower or elsewhere, and goes on being Nabu 2.0.

It's a working theory.

 

From what I gather, Quinn is a golem that Constantine filled with all the heroic memories and tendencies he had, which led him to being a superhero. He's currently holding (or at least has) Constantine... hostage? sort of like Nabu did to his hosts in the Tower of Fate in order to use the Order and Chaos power he has.

 

I don't think that's correct.

Thank you, corrected.

 

Golem made by and from John Constantine to be a conduit for the Powers of ORDER and CHAOS, so John himself could get out of the job long enough to learn to use those massive powers or just get out of it.

Has all John's heroic memories in order to make a heroic version of himself.

Except he seems to have imprisoned the original John under Nabu's/Fate's tower, to use the original as something of a focus to control the power.

Knowing how... pragmatic John the original can be, I can see just how heroic it might be to lock John Constantine away.

 

So even John’s most heroic memories and tendencies would be totally fine with kidnapping someone?

Actually….that totally checks out.

 

It’s a Bad Penny, Good Penny, Mad Penny situation*. John (Hereafter referred to as Constantine) figured the best way to deal with the strain of holding both Order and Chaos was to create a homunculus of all his most heroic qualities. Heroic John (hereafter referred to as Quinn) realized “Hey, Constantine kinda sucks ass, why don’t I just kidnap him and fulfill his duties since I’m just him but better.” Constantine, being the cosmic chew toy he is, somehow didn’t see this incredibly obvious betrayal coming (or, being the crafty bastard that he is, planned on Paul tracking him down and merging him with Quinn and Demon to create a John with sufficient enlightenment to control his powers like a smug fuck), while Demon immediately thought “what’s the stupidest and most likely to backfire thing I would do in this situation” and immediately figured it out because he’s the John with the most memories of their post-grad studies at the University of Hard Knocks.

*that’s a Please Don’t Tell My Parents I’m A Supervillain reference

 

Golden boy 2.0?

That's scary. The original was crazy powerful even without Lord of Order powers

Do you know what's even scarier? John half angel, half devil, lord if chaos/order. Harmony.


That's going to be a trip. Especially since we all know he's never going allow himself closure or forgiveness.
Entity would be unstable

 

Ah, hand-me-down clothes. Sometimes, they can be amazingly comfortable. After all, someone's already worn the stiffness out of them. Though it might take a little getting used to the slight difference in smell, but a few washes sort that out.

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

Heh. When was the last time OL went out in public in anything other than combat armour or a perfectly-tailored suit of clothes, I wonder? As for Doctor Mist, I'm amazed he isn't channeling Professor Badass.

'Chavs' being a particularly British subculture. For an American equivalent, think Dude-bros. With a side of 'Wigger'... Sheesh, culture today...

Seriously, if John has been hiding out in the Tate Club this whole time......

Good lord, talk about hiding in plain sight.

Oh, for... Did they seriously let the Demon Constantine out in public? I hope they have very good leashes on him, as many as they could pack on...

I mean, it's not like John would ever have talked about on of his best swindles...

Huh. That sounds worryingly plausible, and entirely not what any of us were expecting.

I rather suspect a Chaotic Evil John would not be very different to normal... Marginally less concerned with friends and allies' safety than usual, maybe.

And you're sure you can trust what the Demon told you?

...Maybe he left a message for OL with the Tate Club crew that he's never thought to ask about?

And if John has done a runner from the universe - unlikely given that we haven't seen a new Lord of Chaos turn up yet - I suppose the Demon is as good a substitute as you can get.

Also because those memories were his. And we all know how well OL handles losing his stuff.

If anyone was wondering: Phantom 2040. Sort of a 'Batman: Beyond' version of a classic superhero. Fun fact, said original is oddly popular here in Australia.

1994, folks. That was 28 years ago... Some of you readers weren't even alive when that show started airing.

Not quite as explosively as the merger in the conclusion of 'Tron: Legacy', at least.

Yes, quite the conundrum.

OL can't help but want to improve the situation of those useful to him... His way of rewarding loyalty, in a way...

Again, you know he's not lying, how? Did Diana test him with the Lasso?

Clever, but hardly the best solution to the challenge of embodying both Order and Chaos. ...But sadly, it is such a Constantine solution...

Especially if he'd some inkling that it was coming... He'd have you face-down in the gutter in seconds.

So, it's a heist mission, then. To quote Carl Johnson: 'Here we go again...'

And as seems to be the norm for anything involving John Constantine, things get messier and messier! At least Doctor Mist will be the one taking all the heat if things go tits-up. On the other hand, all this seems to hinge on the Demon Constantine's testimony. Even if he has no reason to lie, could he really help himself? I guess we'll find out soon enough...

 

Phantom 2040 isn't old. It was just a few years ago.

 

I feel like the other responses have told you "what" John Quinn is instead of "who" he is. John Quinn is the current Dr Fate who took over after Paragon Paul killed Nabu and shoved the power of a Lord of Chaos and Lord of Order into John Constantine who promptly vanished which is why Paul has been looking all over for him. When The Team and Paul first went back to the Tower of Fate they met Quinn and Paul thought it was Constantine but Quinn told him he wasn't Constantine. Obviously we now know it was a double bluff by Zoat as having a guy named John become Dr Fate right after John Constantine disappeared was a very obvious link.

 

Spoiler: I think I Made Myself Feel Old